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On December 06 2012 08:50 Sworm_MS wrote: Mutalisk Speed increased from 3.75 to 4. Toss will now suck even more, way more... I don't know about terran, have to see a new Thor in action
Didn't you see the huge buffs to Phoenix and Oracle? Mutalisk will be used even less in both ZvT and ZvP then before.
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On December 06 2012 08:51 Breach_hu wrote: JUST IMAGINE THE MINDGAME!!!!! YOU RESEARCH CLOAK INSTEAD OF THE MEDIVAC REACTOR! THIS IS JUST HUGE! Dude... That's like the ultimate mindgame.
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On December 06 2012 08:50 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:49 Bareleon wrote: Can anyone please explain to me what the VR changes mean? Ty! VR does one base damage now with an ability that does +armor damage for a couple seconds, no more passive bonus to armor/massive units
So VRs still suck?
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On December 06 2012 08:48 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:46 Sworm_MS wrote: Medivac: Cost increased from 100/100 and 80 seconds to 150/150 and 110 seconds. Actually it's not even a nerf, it's a huge phase out of bio usability. They combined air/mech upgrades yes, but T mech has not got any buffs vs P. (WM doesn't hit cloaked - nerf) So basically i think it's very disputable... but it's still beta ... That's for the upgrade.
Yeah, medivacs don't take 80 seconds to build lol. If they did that to the medivac itself...
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So, vortex should be removed as it is simply something taking up space? The void ray is now a worse unit? Hmm...
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Just checking, but is the editor accessible in the beta now? I thought I remembered them saying the new editor would not be accessible until release.
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Holy shit, these are crazy.
Everything Terran has got massively buffed... except widow mines. They still suck, and that upgrade is worthless.
also does this mean thors have a single target mode for anti air? do they still have their original splash in explosive mode? If thors dont have splash, dealing with mutas will be impossible.
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k i like them terran changes, im happy :D mayb raven changes not that much, cauz i liked them splash but ok
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On December 06 2012 08:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:46 Sworm_MS wrote: Medivac: Cost increased from 100/100 and 80 seconds to 150/150 and 110 seconds. Actually it's not even a nerf, it's a huge phase out of bio usability. They combined air/mech upgrades yes, but T mech has not got any buffs vs P. (WM doesn't hit cloaked - nerf) So basically i think it's very disputable... but it's still beta ... WM hitting cloaked units was kind of retarded to begin with.... Hellbats got a buff with more splash they can wipe out chargelots even easier. All mech upgrades in one is fucking huge, being able to add in fully upgraded banshees and BC's late game could be crazy strong. Thor buff to take out tempests easier is good too. I won't argue now, may be you are right, i hope so. Must see a bunch of pro plays in the next few weeks to make things clear. Terran needs mech be viable, vastly needs. And i can see a potential here but still, it's just early to say that.
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On December 06 2012 08:54 urashimakt wrote: Just checking, but is the editor accessible in the beta now? I thought I remembered them saying the new editor would not be accessible until release.
editor has always been available
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On December 06 2012 08:48 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:46 Sworm_MS wrote: Medivac: Cost increased from 100/100 and 80 seconds to 150/150 and 110 seconds. Actually it's not even a nerf, it's a huge phase out of bio usability. They combined air/mech upgrades yes, but T mech has not got any buffs vs P. (WM doesn't hit cloaked - nerf) So basically i think it's very disputable... but it's still beta ... That's for the upgrade. Hmm... little mess up with the patch notes... if so, well it's great!
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Reaper Base speed increased from 2.95 to 3.375 Upgraded speed increased from 3.84 to 4.25.
i am seriously scared
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On December 06 2012 08:57 Darpa wrote: Holy shit, these are crazy.
Everything Terran has got massively buffed... except widow mines. They still suck, and that upgrade is worthless. Well, it's not worthless if you use them actively in engagements. Going to be really, really hard to use like that though.
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On December 06 2012 08:46 Sworm_MS wrote: Medivac: Cost increased from 100/100 and 80 seconds to 150/150 and 110 seconds. Actually it's not even a nerf, it's a huge phase out of bio usability. They combined air/mech upgrades yes, but T mech has not got any buffs vs P. (WM doesn't hit cloaked - nerf) So basically i think it's very disputable... but it's still beta ...
It isn't the cost of the medivac that was increased it was the cost of the Caudecous Reactor upgrade.
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On December 06 2012 09:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:46 Sworm_MS wrote: Medivac: Cost increased from 100/100 and 80 seconds to 150/150 and 110 seconds. Actually it's not even a nerf, it's a huge phase out of bio usability. They combined air/mech upgrades yes, but T mech has not got any buffs vs P. (WM doesn't hit cloaked - nerf) So basically i think it's very disputable... but it's still beta ... It isn't the cost of the medivac that was increased it was the cost of the Caudecous Reactor upgrade. Yes, already mentioned, thanks, my wrong.
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Still only 6 pages? Thats depressingly low. Is SC really that dead?
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Wow, +66% medivac heal rate. DT shrine 100/100. Well it will help rushing and won't help lategame. Exactly what they didn't want to do. Widow mine still hits air. That makes me sad panda. ITs not getting upgrades, that's quite huge.
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On December 06 2012 09:01 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 08:54 urashimakt wrote: Just checking, but is the editor accessible in the beta now? I thought I remembered them saying the new editor would not be accessible until release. editor has always been available Yeah, I messed that question up. What I meant was: Are the Heart of the Swarm libraries available to the beta editor yet.
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On December 06 2012 09:07 CruelZeratul wrote:Still only 6 pages? Thats depressingly low. Is SC really that dead?  The fuck?
Most people don't even read the HOTS subforum, there's plenty of discussion on reddit at least.
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