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Blizzard is doing a lot of work to try and fix mech for TvP and make it a good style overall. Many people on this forum continously sprout ideas what should change that would make mech more viable etc.
The question I got however is why should this be desired?
In WoL mech already sees a fair bit of play in TvZ and TvT though arguably marine tank is still more popular in those matches.
In HotS mech gets buffed so much though that TvT and TvZ almost surely look to be mech dominated, afterall you want tanks in those matches anyway and the hellbat looks to be the far more synergetic mineral dump instead of marines, especially if widow mines help out to deal with the vulnerability to air and/or harass.
Isn't mech being good if not neccesary in 2 out of 3 matches already being enough in HotS? Why does blizzard focus so much on trying to get it to work in PvT? This game is not BW why should it try to copy it in this respect?
Sure give mech enough tools it can work eventually in PvT but it will be very hard to not make mech too broken in the other matchups, unless of course you add units that are only good vs protoss but not so much vs zerg. Then you end up with ugly designs as the warhound with +mechanical bonus etc. though which at the same time make TvT completely boring.
I'd say just don't bother trying to fix mech for TvP too much, there are so many liabilities (immortals, no AA, low mobility, tempest range) that it requires way too much work. Chances are if they do fix it it will only go at the cost of the other terran matchups. Even worse perhaps they fix it and then they have to nerf mech down the line anyway because of TvZ, this happened a ton of times before already in WoL..
Just focus on fixing TvP from another way is a much more elegant solution to the matchup I think. Make air viable in TvP! By just buffing and adjusting the battlecruiser it can become a good lategame unit. This could solve two problems in the matchup without going the ugly mech route:
- terrans would have a nice transition from bio automatically dealing with the gas buildup you often see in TvP
- the lategame frustation for terran where they have to micro much more than protoss wouldn't be so bad, if you hate that scenario you could just switch to the air composition
Battlecruisers have been pretty good in TvP in the early stages of WoL already so don't need too much of a buff for this really, for example just somethign as simple as not letting HT's be able to feedback mechanical units or just tweaking the speed and damage of the BC could do it already. Stalkers vs battlecruisers can also feature some interesting map abuse at least, something that is not really present in the boring viking vs carrier or corruptor vs carrier (capital ships being countered by air doesn't give the option for the cool stuff that was PvT in BW).
TL;DR
WoL was perhaps too dominated by bio but why should mech be good in all matchups in HotS? Let terran remain to use bio for TvP but buff air accordingly so the matchup is still changed from it's WoL counterpart, no need to focus all terran changes on the factory only..
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Because TvP sucks. It's boring. As a terran and a fan, I'm tired of watching terran use the same strat, game after game, day after day, month after month. I hardly even watch TvP anymore. TvZ is far superior in every way. And the point of the game isn't just to have a competitive game, we have that. The point is also to keep fans interested and seeing the game develop, watching new strategies evolve.
Right now there is no evolving in TvP. It's the same as it was a year ago. The same openings, the same midgame, and the same late game. Every game. It's stale, boring, and not intertaining as a fan or a Terran.
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Well that's your opinion, everybody else has their own, there should be no reason why we can't mech in TvP
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I don't play BW, and I only became a BW spectator because of the Hybrid Proleague.
Because TvP sucks. It's boring. As a terran and a fan, I'm tired of watching terran use the same strat, game after game, day after day, month after month.
Isn't that what BW TvP is? I don't think the whole point is to have every option available, but to be competitive, skill based, and fun to watch.
Edit: I know I shouldn't be comparing it to BW, but it should at least be a reference.
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If time bomb goes live there will be no hope for bio. I want to be able to use an army that can take a punch =[
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Because right now the only viable strategy tvp is bio. And bio is highly used in tvz as well along with tvt. At least in tvt/tvz you can do mech as well but it's not a must. It would be nice for terrans to be able to go mech vs protoss because it's just super predictable what terrans will do in tvp because it's all they can do.
I am a zerg, but I know that mech should and needs to be viable tvp. It makes it more exciting anyway tvp mech for some reason. I couldn't tell you why but bio vs toss isn't entertaining to me while mech is.
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also dont forget that bw tvp was a mech based matchup, just watch any terran stream bw and its the only thing youll see. people want mech to be viable in tvp for the same reasons that they want the carrier to not suck and for the hydralisk to have a place in the game outside of zvz
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I personally want to see Tank supply get lowered from 3 to 2, then see what happens from there balance-wise and tweak accordingly.
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Bio is fine to a point, but it is not an interesting composition in the lategame: a giant bioball endlessly kiting while dropping emps just gets old after a while. Mech allows for a much more positioning-oriented playstyle.
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Some people just want to see BW mech again.
Some people are just sick of going bio every game.
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Because options make for a more diverse/interesting to watch game.
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Because it would be epic and force another aspect to the game: positioning. Also, Bio is boring, the game comes down to EMP v.s Storm.
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Mech play is really fun to watch.
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I see a couple reasons why everyone wants mech apparently:
1) Nostalgia, mech was in BW.
- well this game is too different from BW for that to work so easily, we still get to see mech in every TvT and most TvZs in HotS so far..
2) To give terran more options in PvT
- sure more options are cool but should everything be viable in every match? Bio was not possible in BW PvT, why should mech be so much in HotS? Too much options makes it very random as well.
3) Bio is boring
- only bio in TvP for a long time is a bit stale perhaps but soon seeing only mech would be even worse. I personally think it's most fun for viewing and playing if each matchup you need different styles and they play out differently. So far in the beta I only see bio used in TvP still making it more unique already, giving an other endgame like air would avoid the problems of it being only storm vs emp and frustating kiting only. Ie. I think the bio vs protoss is boring because of other flaws like P turtling, T losing endgame, T not having a transition etc.
Why not just develop bio into a more rich strategy instead of forcing mech onto each matchup.. I just don't get it
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Just saying there are plenty of changes that could be done that wouldn't really affect the other MU"s
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Mech has to be viable in future TvP because Bio won't if they don't remove Time Warp.
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Because Mech is awesome?
Go watch a BW mech game.
The sheer firepower of tanks is awesome.
Its better than SC2 TvP, so why would we not want it?
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........ Bio is viable in BW TvP as an All-in style and is dependent on the element of surprise. I was watching a 1500 Fish terran actually pull off a 25 minute bio TvP but he had 300+ apm and im sure the win rate if the P knows its coming early enough is really low.
As far sc2 goes and HOTS TvP. I have faith in the community and this explosion of passion (some ppl call drama) is good, to me everything is going good.
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Firstly, you claim that mech is going to dominate in both tvz and tvt in hots. What evidence do you have for that claim? From my experience in the beta marine tank styles are still very viable in both matchups. Secondly, people want mech to be viable as it allows for strong positional play, giving Terran options.
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And Terran players are tired of Bio and having to "RUN" from Protoss in the late game. It feels weak. Nobody who plays the game casually wants to run from a battle, cause that's no fun. It would be greatly satisfying to build up 40 tanks, forcing Toss into an engagement and watching his entire army melt. There's joy in that for Terran's.
At the end of the day it's a video game, and it's supposed to be fun. Bio isn't fun.
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