Oracle Changes - Page 11

On October 25 2012 21:31 killy666 wrote:
I completely dislike the slow spell. It reduce micro capabilities, and it empowers the Deathball aspect endgame protoss army.
I suppose you could say the same thing with fungal and tier 3 zerg.

On October 25 2012 21:55 BurningRanger wrote:
My 2 cents on the Timewarp ability:
Blizzard didn't think a few inches out of the box at all. It may be a funny spell, when you look at the Oracle's harassment possibilities ONLY.
Do you know how it will actually be used? Imagine a standard WoL PvT with the usual Protoss Deathball vs. the Terran Bio+Medivac+Viking (in HotS with some BattleHellions maybe, but that doesn't care). A Protoss player will now not only split the Terran army in half with Forcefields, he will also cast the Orcale's slow spell aka Timewarp at least onto parts of the Terran Bio, (1) making stutterstepping useless and (2) prevent any units from retreating.
On the other side (what I'm argueing over and over again) a Protoss player that overcommits and decides to retreat, has usually his expensive hightech units (mainly the Colossi) surviving, while losing the expendable Warpgate units to slow down the chasing opponent (to compare: Terran's and Zerg's expensive hightech and AoE damage units are slow, so will never survive a retreat). Now you give Protoss another spell (FFs can do the job too) to retreat safely, even with quite much the whole army in case something goes wrong. Just a few Timewarps behind the army and noone is ever going to catch you.

Another thing that bugs me hard. Even before beta I said on a few occasions that Terrans would need a slow field of some kind (like that turret in the campaign for example) for the 200/200 battles that are won by the Protoss warping in 20 Zealots. Usually this results in the Zealots running into the Terrans production line, which has just started to get to work again, and leveling it, while single units pop out here and there. With a slow field, Terrans would have a slightly better chance to gather some units again before the Zealots come charging into the base.
Now, there is the slow field... and it is... wtf? For Protoss?!? Are you kidding?

Honestly, Protoss does not need another Crowd Control ability! Terran needs this one a lot more.

(And for the ones that say Terran's have a slow in Concussive Shells already: Yes, they have, but this is a single target slow, while Timewarp is AoE slow. You'd need 20 Marauders on the field to slow down 20 freshly warped in Zealots.)

On October 26 2012 00:45 SuperYo1000 wrote:
so pulsar beam takes energy to attack?

so supply depot will take 40 energy?

its starts off with 50 energy so most you can do is around 500 damage.

if you want to go for a harassment of a hatchery you have to wait till you have 150 energy to be even a threat?

am I reading this right? seems like a really poor ability

On October 26 2012 00:49 Fyrewolf wrote:
These changes sound quite interesting. Time warp seems like it would be good against stim (kind of like ensnare but without the rof debuff). Pulsar beam sounds like it's alright with the numbers(though it still needs testing), any stronger and it might be op (it's in between uncharged and charged void ray in damage, can be used repeatedly since it's not a huge cost, can micro while using it, and more importantly will likely have multiple oracles in late game). The one thing I'm wondering though, since pulsar is stated to be a passive ability, does that mean it will hit every structure in range? That would be quite good.

On October 26 2012 02:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
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Wow, I didn't even think about that, but I can't imagine that's how it's actually going to work as that would be super OP. Run in with like 4 oracles, turn on Pulsar, wipe out a whole cluster of supply depots super quick and run out. The fact that's called "Beam" makes me think it is going to be single target, though.

On October 25 2012 21:49 gedatsu wrote:

It incentivizes the enemy to not keep his units in a deathball. If he does, all of it will get slowed and he'll be in big trouble. This is a good thing.

This "it reduces micro" complaint has never been a good one. Using those spells is micro.

On October 26 2012 02:36 vthree wrote:


And where is the Terran AoE which forces the Protoss (besides casters) to have to spread? Maybe widow mine splash damage should be increased so Protoss have to learn to spread as well. Or maybe make seekers missile have more range or travel faster.

On October 26 2012 02:36 vthree wrote:


And where is the Terran AoE which forces the Protoss (besides casters) to have to spread? Maybe widow mine splash damage should be increased so Protoss have to learn to spread as well. Or maybe make seekers missile have more range or travel faster.

On October 26 2012 02:36 vthree wrote:


And where is the Terran AoE which forces the Protoss (besides casters) to have to spread? Maybe widow mine splash damage should be increased so Protoss have to learn to spread as well. Or maybe make seekers missile have more range or travel faster.

On October 26 2012 02:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:

EMP? Just because Protoss players don't spread their units, doesn't mean that they shouldn't.

On October 26 2012 02:41 KrazyTrumpet wrote:


EMP, siege tanks, HSM

On October 26 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:


EMP is great but they only remove shields. If you have TvP engagement with EMPs hitting Protoss army and storms hitting Terran army, guess which one wins?

On October 26 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:


EMP is great but they only remove shields. If you have TvP engagement with EMPs hitting Protoss army and storms hitting Terran army, guess which one wins?

On October 26 2012 02:44 vthree wrote:


EMP is great but they only remove shields. If you have TvP engagement with EMPs hitting Protoss army and storms hitting Terran army, guess which one wins?