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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Widow mines do very little against Protoss since they can kill all the mines before getting into range. Hellbats protect the Tanks against Zealots much better then hellions do, but you still lose to mass Immortals. Ghosts works but it is hard to get enough resources for both Mech, Ghosts and upgrades. Is anyone successful with mech in TvP given equally skilled opponents? If so please describe in detail how you play the matchup. | ||
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GARcher
Canada294 Posts
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Phoenix2003
126 Posts
How to Mech TvP and make protosses cry in the strategy forum. But, I'm sure you already knew that. | ||
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TheLunatic
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Phoenix2003
126 Posts
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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MetalGear
Australia47 Posts
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Sophia
Germany115 Posts
Siege Tanks are good against: Stalker, Templar ??? I gave up on Blizzard. They just can't balance the game right. TvP will probably be the same in HotS, maybe with 1-2 small changes. To make Mech Viable Blizz would need to buff Tanks and that would break the game even more. | ||
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pmp10
3349 Posts
Too many drastic changes would be required to make it work. The real problem is that all new terran units were intended to make it happen and this puts the race is in an awkward position. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
Mech needs an anti immortal unit to be viable. | ||
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Tankz123
Denmark228 Posts
On October 14 2012 16:21 Phoenix2003 wrote: There's a thread that's called: How to Mech TvP and make protosses cry in the strategy forum. But, I'm sure you already knew that. Tbh, one person having "decent" sucess with it doesnt really make it viable (and not even decent, lower than that) - i play a completly different style of mech from him in WOL, and it also "works" to some degree - but it still requires the enemy protoss to play.. well, just really bad to lose. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Chargelots, Archons and Immortals as well will still remain strong against Mech and the Mech army remains immobile compared to Bio. Other things I'd like to see changed (may just be me): Thor speed to 2.25 so it doesn't lag behind the whole Mech army. Thors not needing to 'lower their arms' before they can fire, this firing delay makes any sort of micro impossible. Tanks going to 150/100/2. For those worrying about Tank buffs affecting TvZ, perhaps they need to add another Unit Type for units such as Marauders, Zealots and Roaches (and maybe others). Let's call the unit type 'Medium' (as opposed to Zerglings being 'Light') and that Tanks deal full damage to that type. This would increase damage to Zealots but leave Zergling damage the same. The only other Tank vs Protoss buff I can think of would have to be against Shields but we already got EMP for that. | ||
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GARcher
Canada294 Posts
On October 14 2012 18:24 DaveVAH wrote: Unfortunately mech is still not viable it seems. Widow mines help early game but the problem remains that the core mech army just dies to protoss ground armies and the immortal. It is sad to see lots of hots streamers are switching back to bio in TvP with zero hots units past early game. I was hopeing to see battle hellions with bio now that medivacs heaal them but it is not happening, probably because of the convulted and costly path to get hellbats and its upgrades. Mech needs an anti immortal unit to be viable. Remove energy bars and give Thors Haywire Missiles would be a good start. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On October 14 2012 18:27 Tankz123 wrote: Tbh, one person having "decent" sucess with it doesnt really make it viable (and not even decent, lower than that) - i play a completly different style of mech from him in WOL, and it also "works" to some degree - but it still requires the enemy protoss to play.. well, just really bad to lose. I play also a different style of mech in WoL to him, but I'd hardly say it requires them to play badly to lose. That's exactly how the entire game works. The better player will make less mistakes and win, the loser will lose. MorroW is making mech work in HoTS TvP and he's in GM level atm, if he can get it to work with the style I use in WoL, just with added Battlehellions and Mines, I'd say that's good enough for me. Also to anyone complaining it's too hard to get ghosts and mech at the same time, it's not. Seriously it's perfectly affordable and try it rather than complaining it's too expensive. | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On October 14 2012 18:35 Qikz wrote: I play also a different style of mech in WoL to him, but I'd hardly say it requires them to play badly to lose. That's exactly how the entire game works. The better player will make less mistakes and win, the loser will lose. MorroW is making mech work in HoTS TvP and he's in GM level atm, if he can get it to work with the style I use in WoL, just with added Battlehellions and Mines, I'd say that's good enough for me. Also to anyone complaining it's too hard to get ghosts and mech at the same time, it's not. Seriously it's perfectly affordable and try it rather than complaining it's too expensive. MorroW is just so many levels ahead of his opponents skillwise and still has a high loosing rate. Imagine MVP would play a nameless NA master Protoss and win. Is that a good thing? Yeah but it doesnt make a statement. I played Mech in WoL and I mostly lost becasue my oppponents didnt know how to play against it and were bad because of this. There was no "I am better than you and did less mistakes". There was only: Oh gosh I am so happy my opponent has no idea what to do. | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On October 14 2012 16:05 MockHamill wrote: but you still lose to mass Immortals. This is 100% absolutely wrong, even in WoL. You can't kill mech with Chargelot-Immortal if it's maxed vs maxed in WoL without amazing flanks and bad tank positioning (or the world's worst EMPs), the reason Battle Hellions are good is they can tank colossi shots which means you can stop the chargelots closing on the tanks. Ghost-mech is good in WoL, but it takes a long time to become powerful. In HotS you can use battle hellions to tank colossi fire better which makes mech more powerful down the track. Hopefully mines allow you to survive the midgame vs good opponents, but it's too early to say yet. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
On October 14 2012 18:35 Qikz wrote: I play also a different style of mech in WoL to him, but I'd hardly say it requires them to play badly to lose. That's exactly how the entire game works. The better player will make less mistakes and win, the loser will lose. MorroW is making mech work in HoTS TvP and he's in GM level atm, if he can get it to work with the style I use in WoL, just with added Battlehellions and Mines, I'd say that's good enough for me. Also to anyone complaining it's too hard to get ghosts and mech at the same time, it's not. Seriously it's perfectly affordable and try it rather than complaining it's too expensive. Actually Morrow is having quiet abit of difficulty making it work when he hits a good opponent. He is actually to the point of frustration sometimes but still trys to go mech rather than bio to test it. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
Mines dont do enough damage tbh as long as they have an observer with them. The P army generally feels too beefy even with the kind of firepower you have (not enough imo). Battle hellions seem like a good addition but everything else seems kind of out of place. | ||
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Aquila-
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TimKim0713
Korea (South)221 Posts
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