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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On September 15 2012 10:57 Shikyo wrote: With Tempest having such low range don't see much point in them unless they build like 1-2 for poking >Such low range >15 >Larger range than any unit in game >mfw | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
The only new playstyle the Warhound brought was more Warhound. More to the point, it's effect was to neuter experimentation with the Hellion and Reaper. This way, these units get more play in HotS towards hopefully, a traditional SC mech style. The Warhound may yet return, and in a far better iteration. (More to the point. Play, just play.) | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
Firstly, the Warhound was a flawed unit because its stats were WAY off mark (2 supply was too low for a unit with that much power and cost, the unit was grossly overpowered overall), and because Haywire Missiles was a badly designed ability. It wasn't terrible because it was an A-move unit, and if its real design issues are solved, I'd like to see it come back. Secondly, the Void Ray is still shit. EDIT: Ok, the rest of the changes (Swarm Host, Oracle, Tempest, MS Core, Reaper, Widow Mine) seem to be going in the right direction. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 15 2012 10:59 gengka wrote: any terran will tell you that the core unit of a mech composition is the tanks. While tanks are good in numbers, their splash damage is a 2-edge sword. by removing the mobility of the hellions, yes they can become the meat shields for the tanks. However the inability to kite means they will receive friendly fire from the tanks once the chargelots charge in. This is the same problem as the marine tank composition vs the zerg when the speedlings charge in. while at least you can split the marines i don't think it will be easy to do the same on transformed battle hellions. but anyway terrans can always micro and target the stalkers with tank shots while target the chargelots with BH. We are a race who always need to adapt anyway. I encourage those terrans who are lucky to be in HOTS beta to try out mech vs P even though the warhound is out at the moment. Thank you comrades You realize how good battle hellions are vs chargelots in large numbers? You won't have to worry about friendly tank splash for long because in 5 seconds all the zealots will be dead. Sure you might take a couple tank hits, but that's 50% splash to a light unit, or only 17.5 damage per hit on a 135 hp unit. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:30 BigKahunaBurger wrote: >Such low range >15 >Larger range than any unit in game >mfw Well Carrier technically has 14 range so yeah. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Personally,i feel the Carrier and Tempest role may overlap which i fear. They also should remove the Collosus and put in the Reaver. I feel the Viper is okay.It isn't overpowered as i thought it was. Widow mines are underused in the beta.Hopefully this buff we will see more usage of them. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
Immortal Immortal Hardened Shield will now reduce the warhound’s Haywire Missile damage. Terran Warhound This unit has been removed from the game. | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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polytree
United States1 Post
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:36 Integra wrote: Am I missing something, why are they buffing a protoss unit against a Terran unit that they removed? O_o My current theory is that they're planning on adding Warhound later on after reworking it or just seeing how Terran does without it in the game. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:35 FakeDeath wrote: Are they gonna do any change to the Carrier? Personally,i feel the Carrier and Tempest role may overlap which i fear. Carriers are general purpose units, moderately effective vs everything (except marines lol). Tempests are longer ranged snipers designed to take out high-priority massive units (mostly broodlords and colossi, though they could be effective vs ultras, thors, and BCs) | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:36 Integra wrote: Am I missing something, why are they buffing a protoss unit against a Terran unit that they removed? O_o nice catch lol | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
This is a really cool patch overall. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
The only thing I've wondering about is the new fleet ships. While the tempest is obviously still an epic-range sniper, I just wonder much use it will get. Sure, it can kill colossus, but so can a void ray... The same goes for a thor, I think. I just wonder if the carrier's ability as a powerful air unit will be too much to combind with some tempests, as void rays fill a similar role for cheaper. I'm also afraid a medic'ed protoss deathball will be really strong vs. Z.... | ||
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
Glad the Carriers have come back, I know they're listening to the Pro P opinion on this and the expansion in general. Now if only they'd remove the Collosus. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:46 Shikyo wrote: My current theory is that they're planning on adding Warhound later on after reworking it or just seeing how Terran does without it in the game. if terrans do ok and there will be no more new unit for T?  | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
Reaper combat awareness sounds really nice. Purifier beam range from 7 to 10...is this going to kill bio play in TvP completely? Also, it says immortal's hardened shield will reduce haywire missile from warhound, but warhound is removed, so...I dont understand this? | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:52 TALegion wrote: I think this is the happiest a patch has ever made me. My favorite units are the reaper, carrier, and (hopefully, if it's good) the oracle, and this is so perfect... And no Warhounds. That's like half of way this is amazing. The only thing I've wondering about is the new fleet ships. While the tempest is obviously still an epic-range sniper, I just wonder much use it will get. Sure, it can kill colossus, but so can a void ray... The same goes for a thor, I think. I just wonder if the carrier's ability as a powerful air unit will be too much to combind with some tempests, as void rays fill a similar role for cheaper. I'm also afraid a medic'ed protoss deathball will be really strong vs. Z.... Void rays have to move into close range to kill stuff, where they're extremely vulnerable to fungals, marines, etc. Tempests can do it from farther away, where they are protected by other stuff. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
Carrier has arrived. Best thing ever. Hope it stays this way. And they removed the Warhound so can't complain. | ||
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