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On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups.
Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem.
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Interesting step from Blizzard.
In current state I think tempest and carrier have similar role. It would be kinda weird if Blizzard would keep both units in-game.
I was expecting that tempest will be some kind of anti-air unit with splash damage. 
Warhound shared his role with marauder which was weird. As a Terran player i would be more than happy if we don't get any extra mech unit if Blizzard rework tanks and thors so they would fill "their roll". In current state tanks could get a buff as they are kinda weak versus protoss. Maybe buff them to BW level or limit splash damage to friendly units.
Thors could get a 250mm strike cannon reword. High energy/CD abilities are way too situation.
If Blizzard wants to add extra mechanical unit I would be very happy with goliath. It would help with new protoss air and BLs/vipers.
Looking forward to new Hots changes!
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On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups.
This. The problem is when you make a transition between the different tier 3 options as protoss, the enemy changes what about their composition? Nothing, they still make mass corruptor, then when the colossus and/or carrier are dismantled, they turn them into brood lords. Same with Terran (but to a lesser extent), vikings can land and still be useful (not as effective, but better than dead supply). There is currently no reason to not go viking corruptor, because 99.9% of games (that make it this far) will involve a colossus and/or carrier/tempest.
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On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem.
They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus.
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New oracle spell seems kind of cheap. I think it would of been better as a disruption web of some kind that prevents abilities from being used from underneath it. Kind of like another protoss FF that can be used offensively. All abilities including spells that use mana and things like stim or siege. Units can still attack under it like fungal. Removing the effects of fungal or concussive because a spell has been cast is pretty confusing and a prevention spell would be easier to follow.
Problem is that it would be a bit too close to fungal without snare and damage.
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Wow Blizzard actually done a really good patch.
Warhound is gone and Carrier is back.
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On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus.
The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it.
Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus.
EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again!
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On September 15 2012 09:04 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus. The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it. Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus. EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again!
Hmm slow pushes turrets :D:D:D:D:D:D
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On September 15 2012 09:04 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus. The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it. Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus. EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again!
Mech tvp is gone again, no need to worry about that 
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Wohoooo carrier! tho it would look like Protoss has so much for tier 3 and lacking in mid game haha
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Yay OMG the Carrier!!!!!! yesss!!!!!!!! welcome back!
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On September 15 2012 09:04 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus. The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it. Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus. EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again!
not going to happen with flying siege units in tempest/BL only in tvt. You cannot slowpush against siege units that you have a hard time reaching .
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On September 15 2012 09:04 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus. The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it. Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus. EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again!
Exactly, instead of focusing on whether the Tempest and Carrier are similar, they should be focusing on how the colossus encroaches on the roles of both of them.
It doesn't make sense for 3 of the 4 robotics units to be vulnerable to anti air. Stargate units already do that well enough haha.
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On September 15 2012 09:13 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:04 Qikz wrote:On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus. The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it. Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus. EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again! not going to happen with flying siege units in tempest/BL only in tvt. You cannot slowpush against siege units that you have a hard time reaching .
The Viking is quite formidable versus air I hear, quite some range too.
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Ahhhhh holy shit O_O. This patch... Blizzard listened to the community! I'm proud of them. These changes are great! No more warhound, and CARRIER! :D
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HOLY SHIT JUST SAY THIS !!!!!!!!!
Widow mines are going to be used a ton in hots games im sure but seriously good patch from blizzard!
I cant believe they are actually listening to us !!!
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On September 15 2012 09:23 v3chr0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:13 s3rp wrote:On September 15 2012 09:04 Qikz wrote:On September 15 2012 09:01 kappadevin wrote:On September 15 2012 08:57 Fig wrote:On September 15 2012 08:54 kappadevin wrote:
Blizzard now just needs to figure out a way to make the counter to colossus different than the counter to carriers in both PvZ and PvT so that you can potentially force a different response based on which one you play. The fact that corruptors and vikings are the counter to both of those high tech options poses some problems, imo.
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. Yes, either buff the void ray or switch the colossus with the reaver. Either of those would solve the problem. They could add a fleet beacon upgrade that makes the void ray do splash damage for example, but yes the return of the reaver is always talked about a lot, and is always something I wish for. I just think blizzard is far too in love with the colossus. The main thing that I never got was the collosus was supposed to be good for it's cliffwalking... yet nobody ever uses it for anything along those lines as you can't leave your army with it. It's just a badly designed/thought up unit. Reaver would be OP as hell in SC2 though, as much as I hate to say it. Mech TvP will have a massive weakness to Carriers as you won't want vikings against collosus. EDIT: One thing I will say is I don't mind having mech weak to anti air, it encourages slow pushes with turrets again! not going to happen with flying siege units in tempest/BL only in tvt. You cannot slowpush against siege units that you have a hard time reaching . The Viking is quite formidable versus air I hear, quite some range too.
Not enough to slow push against Broodlords or Tempest without you constantly losing Vikings because you can't cover them.....
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Seems odd that they would buff hardened shield vs warhound and then remove warhound from the game.
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