EPTHOTS Patch notes [9/14/2012] - Page 46
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Qikz
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On September 15 2012 08:35 monkybone wrote: What non-light air units are the goliaths supposed to counter which currently pose a problem against mech, which aren't dealt with by vikings? Vikings are on a completely seperate upgrade path, mech needs something that benefits from mech upgrades which doesn't suck against armored. Infact, just make thor good vs armored, that'd be better than it be good against light. :/ | ||
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:15 Teoita wrote: That's kind of the point of a capital ship imo. I'm fine with both being lategame only units. I agree. The point of a beast capital ship is that if you get 3/3 on them and mass it, it should be a bitch and a half to be able to stop. At the same time, it should be a bitch and a half to try and get to that critical mass. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
I imagine the warhound will come back in some shape or form, but for now they need to buff the tank because mech has lost a big portion of it's DPS. | ||
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Fjodorov
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I would like to see an upgrade for siege tanks that would remove friendly fire from the splash. Somebody came up with this idea in one of the HoTS threads and it is a very good idea. But for an expansion that isnt enough, they need to come up with a new unit. | ||
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mRpolite
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the reason why the carrier "works" in BW is because units either clump up (like mutas) or move in total chaos (every ground unit). the chaos movement of ground units makes it harder to run underneath the carrier and kill it quickly. in wol is so much easier to get a dozen of units end take it out instantly. by getting the range upgrade the enemy is gonna have to do a proper skirmish to take down carriers | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:24 Noocta wrote: I don't think you're understanding this well. Mech somehow lack a Ground to Air unit that is reliable against non Light unit. Vikings have been shown to work as a replacement for Goliaths in TvZ (and Thors vs Mutas). The problem Mech has is vs Protoss and Warhound (if it hadn't been so pathetically designed) would have worked to solve that problem. Now Mech TvP doesn't see very viable anymore as we're back to WoL Terran (battle hellions aren't really much better than normal hellions in a straight up battle). | ||
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Noc-
Finland850 Posts
And warhound removed, nice! This seems very very interesting!  Cant wait to watch streams. | ||
BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:45 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Nice patch. Not looking forward to widow mines being out so early though. They have splash damage right? Very very small one 35 in a in very minimal area. | ||
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Skim
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
Next, give carriers its bw micro! I'm not sure if battle hellions can fulfill the role of meatshield in TvP mech well enough, but I'm sure it can be tweaked along with widow mines to make it viable. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:40 monkybone wrote: Yet you state no arguments in favor of your opinion. You must answer my question: what concrete problems does mech currently face which are solved by the goliath? Besides, different tech-paths is good for gameplay. i think you are perfectly right. in tvz, the only real airborn nonlight threat is the broodlord, but with fungal, blinding cloud and its very own broodlings blocking the way, it would be impossible for the goliath to engage them, the viking is vastly superior in this situation. in tvp, the protoss groundforces already can destroy a fortified terran position, and even if battlehellions and the useless mine somehow make it a bit more difficult, the 15 range tempest can slowly dismantle the terran, and the goliath will once again not be able to attack it. | ||
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kappadevin
United States284 Posts
It would be cool if they changed the void ray to actually counter vikings and corruptors, or at least pose a decent fight vs them so that hydras and marines become the counter to air, and we could see some really different late game compositions from both match ups. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
Mech is already getting a lot of new toys with Widow Mines and Battle Hellions. If it needs more help, buff Widow Mines. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
I liked the Warhound, but it definitely needs a more specific role, and some 'bad' to it. The battle hellion change is the coolest IMO, early hellions, and later you can get battle hellions, seems logical. WELCOME BACK CARRIER <3 Reaper change is interesting... gonna have to be scared of those all game again. All in all, good changes. They're really trying to get things working fluidly and with purpose. | ||
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