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On September 15 2012 07:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 07:21 PauseBreak wrote:On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses? It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine. So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia." Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game... What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing. Blizzard has/is fixing the hydra. Blizzard has/is fixing the BC. Blizzard has still refused to fix the Carrier. It's still very early in the beta, lots of time to try fixing the carrier. and again, what is the problem with having it in the game? It doesn't hurt anything or anyone by having it there.... its an iconic unit for Starcraft and it can still be used in pro games to awesome/hilarious effect(As said by someone earlier) So seriously, why do you care so much about the carrier being back???
Dude, calm the eff down.
Its a broken unit that they [Blizzard] have refused so many times before to fix. I could care less if its in the game or not. But being a former Protoss player, I'd rather get a unit that works than get something shiny with the bells and whistles. I love the Wraith, and if I want to play it, I'm playing it in the campaign. (Where it belongs)
Btw: WH is a mech unit.
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On September 15 2012 08:09 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 07:21 PauseBreak wrote:On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses? It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine. So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia." Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game... What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing. Blizzard has/is fixing the hydra. Blizzard has/is fixing the BC. Blizzard has still refused to fix the Carrier. 10 damage to ground BC doesn't really fix the unit. It's still in the exact same position as Carrier - you can only get them really slowly over a long period of time where you kill off your army and replace it with BCs. You will still only see them in really long games where the opponent LETS the Terran get them, ie very rarely.
Oh, that was a bug...they've fixed it. It's 8 dmg now.
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On September 15 2012 08:09 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 07:21 PauseBreak wrote:On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses? It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine. So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia." Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game... What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing. Blizzard has/is fixing the hydra. Blizzard has/is fixing the BC. Blizzard has still refused to fix the Carrier. 10 damage to ground BC doesn't really fix the unit. It's still in the exact same position as Carrier - you can only get them really slowly over a long period of time where you kill off your army and replace it with BCs. You will still only see them in really long games where the opponent LETS the Terran get them, ie very rarely.
Protoss has some pretty shit anti-air. Given emping to keep energy down to a reasonable level and BCs could be really strong... but then there's the opportunity cost of switching and Toss pressure can be very quick unlike a mech push in BW so the window will be... very different to switch into BCs.
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Remember in the other thread where people talked so much shit and guaranteed Blizz wouldn't remove the War Hound because "it's too late"? -_-
Cool changes though the Oracle's new spell makes me think late game PvZ could be busted in P's favor. We'll see. Good patch.
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On September 15 2012 08:09 Scila wrote: It's still in the exact same position as Carrier - you can only get them really slowly over a long period of time where you kill off your army and replace it with BCs. You will still only see them in really long games where the opponent LETS the Terran get them, ie very rarely.
That's kind of the point of a capital ship imo. I'm fine with both being lategame only units.
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Well after seeing the Warhound in action, it doesn't seem all that bad... on artistic level. As for its purpose in the unit composition, it's terrible. Make it a goliath and remove the thors. I mean it's not a bad thing to admit defeat. The goliath was a great unit in BW, bring it back and it will be cool.
Carrier is back, because of all the whining, but this unit seriously needs a rework, coz right now it's still pretty much useless.
The other changes are great, but seeing the warhound gone was really shocking, considering the fact that this unit has been in the alpha build for more than a year. Oh well I guess DB wasn't kidding when he said that if something needs to go, it will be kicked out of the game. GJ
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Oh this is great. I mean, TvT will be the new PvP. Just mass them reapers on 1 base. Awesome.
Not to mention the TvP MU. The unit composition will be so fun. Its going to be MMMVG. Shiit, so awesome!
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holy shit is this real life? o.o
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1rax marauder/reaper opening TvP is back!
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On September 15 2012 08:19 monkybone wrote:
I don't get why people want the goliath back. What role would it fill? AA with Light damage to ground is definitely not something Terran needs.
I don't think you're understanding this well.
Mech somehow lack a Ground to Air unit that is reliable against non Light unit.
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I wonder who has a bigger influence on Blizzards decisions: the community or the pros?
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On September 15 2012 08:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:
I wonder who has a bigger influence on Blizzards decisions: the community or the pros?
Community, if it was the pro's then queens would never have gotten buffed. That was due to bronze forum people
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On September 15 2012 07:43 p14c wrote:
This is horrible! The Terran gets the short end of the stick once again...Blizzard get the old Vultures back from SC1 if you can't design decent new units. Nobody cares about stupid widow mines or hellions. And Reapers...Give me a break! One of the most useless unit in the game.
um, how about u just go back to BW? it still exists and is still played frequently u know.
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Cant be Starcraft with out the Carrier glad about that and good for the warhounds
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On September 15 2012 08:26 Solarist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 08:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:
I wonder who has a bigger influence on Blizzards decisions: the community or the pros? Community, if it was the pro's then queens would never have gotten buffed. That was due to bronze forum people
They just added the new spell on the Oracle from a Grubby idea..
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CARRIERS ARE BACK YEAHHHHHH
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omg - while this is still early beta, this is seriously the best set of patch notes (especially considering this many changes at once) I have seen yet. This is fantastic stuff, particularly the oracle change. I'm happy that the carrier is back, though I can't see it being used much as is without any tweaks though.
also, I don't know if its just me, but I actually have high expectations that the new warhound will be a much improved unit for the overall game itself o_O
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I love this patch. They are really hitting these patches right on.
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