On September 15 2012 03:58 KayoDot wrote:
Now you can just put a widow mine at a Zerg's third early in the game and they can't take it until lair...

You can see it when you're close enough, or did they stealth-change that with this patch?

Atropin

Germany96 Posts

September 14 2012 19:00 GMT

#362

did anybody count the amount of posts about the immortal warhound contradiction?

Sikly

United States413 Posts

September 14 2012 19:01 GMT

#363

On September 15 2012 03:55 Dodgin wrote:

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Is there anything wrong with TvT WoL styles though? Every good TvT game I've been seeing lately in GSL has nearly a 100% recommendation, it seems like people really like it.

TvT is one of the better match ups, and by far the best mirror match up. Bio vs Bio can be lame, but any other style is usually really exciting to watch. Especially when you get tip top level players like Polt, MMA, Gumiho etc playing the match. I think a lot of the hate for the boring mech lines comes from mid tier Terrans that don't know how to engage against a mech line, and probably even from memories of late beta/early release when viking+tank dominated. Watching the highest level TvT is almost as fun as watching high level TvZ, in my opinion. Hopefully whatever they decide to do with terrans doesn't ruin the match-up like the warhound would have.

ref4

2933 Posts

September 14 2012 19:01 GMT

#364

Blizzard actually listens for once? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?

Secret05

United States342 Posts

September 14 2012 19:01 GMT

#365

as a terran player that doesn't have the beta, the removal of the warhound makes me not even want a beta key. Now the only new units for terran are the battle hellion and widow mine. You can't even really call the battle hellion and widow mine "new units", because the battle hellion is just a different form of the hellion and the widow mine is more like an ability of a unit rather than a unit. Is anyone else feeling completely let down and frustrated with the removal of the warhound? Terran will now be the exact same thing in hots as it was in wol, blizzard better have a new unit planned for terran or it will be incredibly boring playing terran........

ZanXala

Sweden26 Posts

September 14 2012 19:01 GMT

#366

Summary: Blizzard like people being able to do really annoying shit that takes exactly 0 skill to execute but that you have to control and multitask perfectly to deal with. (I'm talking about the a-move-ier being back, reaper getting op buff so you can bunker bellow main or nat on every single map, new oracle ability which just negates all abilities, buff on the entomb thing)

I'm happy about the swarm host nerf and the widow mine buff as well as the removal of the a-move hound though. But I seem to be the only one to be asd about the carrier being back...

ArtyK

France3143 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#367

On September 15 2012 03:07 Torte de Lini wrote:
Balance Update #2[9/14/2012]

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"Carrier has arrived!" Tears of joy :')

BEST PATCH EVER :D

I never thought Blizzard would remove the warhound, but now i really believe that they're listnening to the community, wich is great!

The others changes are really smart and im looking forward to see how it goes, but maybe allowing widow mines to be built without an armory is a bit too early as a cloak unit...

nGBeast

United States914 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#368

Why was the balance post deleted on the blizz forums?

Morphs

Netherlands645 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#369

First I read this:

Immortal
Immortal Hardened Shield will now reduce the warhound’s Haywire Missile damage.

Then I read this:

Warhound
This unit has been removed from the game.

Is that an unintentional joke?

Overall an enormous protoss love patch. Zerg only received a nerf, while I still think the corruptor needs adressing. I don't see Blizzard fixing the corruptor, frankly..

Al Bundy

7257 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#370

On September 15 2012 03:50 Proseat wrote:
posted by Blizzard a minute ago:

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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6571627434?page=2#35

Besides the information about the immortal change, the rest of that post is definitely useful too. A lot of people getting overly excited about this patch

a176

Canada6688 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#371

Holy shit 50 damage to massive units. Not sure how I feel about that.

LloydPGM

85 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#372

Instead of removing Warhound, why not removing terran from the game ?
I see no point in playing HOTS if only 1/2 new unit in terran.

Just give me back BW units with sc2 interface and i'll be fine.

Tasaio

Japan61 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#373

Very happy with these patch notes. Protoss got some needed changes!

The new Phase Shield ability seems interesting and should help against endgame Zerg.

Also... I'm very happy that the carrier is back, even if it's not actually used in pro games that much. Maybe we'll see more Carriers with more viable Stargate tech.

Rokevo

Finland1033 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#374

wow wasn't expecting them to make such big changes :o

Happy that the Carrier is back, but I still hate the tempest, hope they either remove it or make it into something interesting. Glad they buffed the Oracle so that it has some other use apart from a few entombs. Not sure about the new spell though, need to see it in action, seems interesting, might be op. I guess it all depends on how big the radius is.

Removing the Warhound is an awesome move, hopefully they can redesign it into a cool unit. The other Terran changes seem kinda weird though. Also they really need to reduce the supply of mines, 2 supply for a spider mine seems a bit silly

Overall really love the patch

hugman

Sweden4644 Posts

September 14 2012 19:02 GMT

#375

On September 15 2012 04:02 nGBeast wrote:
Why was the balance post deleted on the blizz forums?

Because they edited it and reposted it

MCDayC

United Kingdom14464 Posts

September 14 2012 19:03 GMT

#376

LOADS of little changes in the background, BC nerf, Raven nerf, Swarmhost upgrade nerf, what else did I miss?

mRandy

Sweden146 Posts

September 14 2012 19:03 GMT

#377

I have to say i am impressed by these changes. I dont have the beta but have been watching many, many hours of steams from pros and this looks very good indeed.

also
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FISTPUMP FOR THE CARRIER HOOOOOO

SpaceYeti

United States723 Posts

September 14 2012 19:04 GMT

#378

Um....so now terrans can make 1 reaper and push a protoss ramp with a handful of bio units and inta-win?

Am I reading that correctly?

EDIT: Also, it seems quite clear that the Warhound removal is 100% temporary until they can assess the game in it's absence and determine a better design for it to fill holes in Terran strategy.