Blizz doesnt know how sc2 story ends - Page 10

On October 26 2010 11:00 Xtar wrote:


More likely you are confusing one of those books with SC BW. If I am wrong at least have the guts to point it out. This is both weak and not bringing this discussion any further. Do you really want to bait me into a 'yes' 'no' 'yes' 'no'?

Mission 5 in Starcraft is the first mission with Kerrigan. Never does it become clear Kerrigan and Raynor already know each other. Mission 7 is where Kerrigan gets abandoned. Only mission where Kerrigan and Raynor interact, and actually meet personally, is mission 5. Raynor calls her 'darling' once. But obviously this is just macho nonsense. She even tells him to shut up, which was probably exactly what Raynor expected her to say.

And it's not just that where the story is messed up.

The whole thing about the overmind being tricked and Tassadar still being alive and there being some mysterious force and some mysterious prophecy is all bad. SC2 is made for people that were 2 years old when Starcraft was released.

It is stupid you people even try to argue against all this. Metzen would probably proudly admit he retconned everything. Look at some of the questions he got at all those lore Q&As. He just makes a big joke out of it.

On October 26 2010 11:03 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
This was also the case in the Original. Kerrigan's infestation was a late addition, or in other words Infested Kerrigan/TheQueen of Blades was not part of the original story of StarCraft.

You still missed a spot.

On October 26 2010 11:16 Xtar wrote:
Kerrigan being infested doesn't contradict anything. But yes, bringing back people that are presumed dead is, in my opinion, a weak plot device that we see all too often.

Worse is, having Kerrigan be infested in Starcraft but then retconning into that she is dead.

Did Metzen actually ever say he didn't know Kerrigan was going to become infested before SC BW was finished. If this is so, I believe it. But if he did plan Kerrigan to be infested, would the Starcraft storyline have been different? Should it have been different? What's the plot hole? It's just a bit cowardly in not letting your characters die.

If I had to bet I'd say he didn't know as Kerrigan was such a minor character in Starcraft. Makes no sense to not give her more air time.




But you have no point? You are afraid your argument is too easy to rebut to present it to me or what? I don't see your point since you either don't have one, or refuse to give it.

I am oversimplifying Raynor's character? Come on. Even Starcraft and BW are extremely shallow. These are all flat characters. There's nothing more to these characters then that what is obvious.

On October 26 2010 05:19 Krigwin wrote:


I was actually thinking of the Overmind when I made that comparison, but it does apply somewhat to Kerrigan. The whole of BW established her as an evil mastermind that manipulated everyone around her, including Raynor, in her rise to ultimate power. Now we're supposed to believe that this hitherto diabolical villain is actually just an unwilling pawn to some unbeknownst greater power?

And the whole sudden switch to rescuing her plot is the entire character derailment. Raynor had, over the entirety of SC-BW, grown to swear death on Kerrigan. Even if she could be de-infested it doesn't excuse her crimes for which Raynor swore revenge. To suddenly discard this and attempt to "save" her is massively out of character unless you have some radically different interpretation, which is your right of course, but it's not very supported by actual ingame material.

On October 26 2010 11:22 Billy_ wrote:
Then stop pretending he did it all for a high school crush.

On October 26 2010 11:32 Xtar wrote:


You have single picture of a business college you met once and talked to over the phone several times 4 years ago just because she looks hot?

On October 24 2010 23:32 HardcoreBilly wrote:
J.R.R. Tolkien made up Lord of the Rings as he wrote.

On October 26 2010 11:35 Billy_ wrote:
This is a bad analogy. Stuff happened which you won't see just by watching the briefing room conversations on youtube.

On October 26 2010 11:41 Xtar wrote:


If you aren't going to say anything then stop posting. 'Stuff happened, you are just ignorant/have a bad memory bla bla'. Come on. At least be a honest debater.

Let me also point out Metzen said "It's basically a story about a guy and a girl." Ooh one other great line: "The characters from a decade ago had to be updated because the gaming audience became more 'sophisticated' ".

On October 26 2010 05:25 Treemonkeys wrote:
She unwillingly became a zerg, so yeah, she was an unwilling pawn. Everything she did in BW were things she obviously wouldn't have done as a human, when she was human she didn't even want to use the zerg against her enemies. This is all in game material, from SC and BW no less.

Actually if you think about it further, in SC/BW, Rayner went through a transition where he tried to interact with Kerrigan and slowly had to realize that she was not the same. If he learned that it would be possible to make her human again, it makes complete sense that he would change his mind about killing her.

On October 26 2010 08:46 Honeybadger wrote:
Why? the music and overall feel or the characters is spot-on.

On October 26 2010 10:26 Billy_ wrote:
It seems like you need to refresh your memory. That, or you're deliberately twisting the events of both games in your favour. Either way, go replay the games, read a summary or something, and then get back to me once you get your facts straight. I have better things to do than to point out stuff that should be as plain as day if you actually remembered the events.

On October 26 2010 11:37 Nightfall.589 wrote:
He also spent over a decade revising his books.

WoL story has not impressed me, and the writing (Dialogue) was a lot worse then I hoped for.

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On October 26 2010 11:58 Krigwin wrote:


I don't know how many times I'm going to have to repeat this before people get it: no it doesn't, because Raynor swore to kill her. Why? Because she betrayed him, Fenix, Mengsk, Zeratul, the rest of the Protoss, and killed basically all of his friends and is a threat to his entire race. Then in WoL Raynor does a complete 180 from "if I have to kill you myself" to "I will save you no matter the cost". This is called character inconsistency. It would've been different if they at least put in a dialogue between Raynor and Horner before the last mission explaining Raynor's logical motivations for rescuing her or something instead of shoehorning in these terrible contrived side plots ie; schoolboy romance and ancient prophecy nonsense.



I'm being facetious, I just really like Firefly.



How ironic for you to say this when you're the one deliberately going with Blizzard's retcons and shoehorning in romances and prophecy nonsense where there were none beforehand so it can go with your romanticized view of what the plot should be. Also, "you need to refresh your memory" is not rhetoric either. In logical discourse you present ideas and evidence, not your half-assed interpretations and fanboy opinions.

By the way, I replayed both games the day before SC2 launched, so I'm not speaking from nostalgia, WoL really is that awful in comparison.


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On October 26 2010 12:06 Billy_ wrote:
Haven't I already said something to the effect of people like you not been worth my time? Think it had something to do with this weird over zealous Star Trek nerd complex with a little bit aspergers on top way of logic that you've displayed.