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Tassadar/Overmind Xel'Naga would be horrible :<
I want to see a Tassadar/Zeratul Archon that will implode the universe upon berth from the sheer amount of awesomeness it would create :|
This lore is cool, I assume it's from the SC2 CE manual, yes?
I suspected as much that Samir Duran was just a human shell for some kind of superior being that possessed him.
So is the Dark Voice a Xel'Naga himself or not finally. After reading this thread and all the responses I'm a little confused.
Is he a rebel Xel'Naga that got outcast and imprisoned for non-conformism and that is now trying to break the cycle, or is he of another species entirely that maybe had some kind of conflict with the Xel'Naga long ago and now wants revenge?.
And is Voice in the Darkness even the Dark Voice that we see in SC2 in the visions?
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+ Show Spoiler +I believe that the Dark Voice is either Tassadar or the Tal'diram (hope I'm spelling that right) executor.
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On August 10 2010 19:17 Klumaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 19:11 kmdarkmaster wrote:On August 10 2010 16:35 oo_xerox wrote:
What really pisses me off about this is that terrans are just stupid meatballs that are inferiors and most of the times just tools. We have the siege tank people WTF? Lool because you need one of the "purities" to be "superior", and a race that use lame turtle stats will never have that wonderful purity. Terran was created third, with purity of tanks.
Hah - that made me laugh.
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On August 10 2010 16:35 oo_xerox wrote:
What really pisses me off about this is that terrans are just stupid meatballs that are inferiors and most of the times just tools.
Which is EXACTLY why they're going to be the key to saving the universe.
Every story I've ever read about a war between two superior races that consider humans like insects has ended up being resolved by those insects stepping up.
It's a classic.
WoL is already a huge step in that direction.
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Thank you for this topic OP. I also think this explains a lot of stuff from WoL, especially stuff that people have been complaining about.
The SC2 story is much more complex then most of you think, I suggest you inform yourself before opening useless QQ topics about the story. Unlike Holywood movie you are not going to be handheld the whole way so learn to think for yourself.
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Very creative posts guys. Don't forget that we have to leave room for a Starcraft MMO, or Kotick will be displeased.
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On August 08 2010 23:07 Rethq wrote:
Hybrids.
They possess no free will, thus no purity of form or essence, thus they cannot be real Xel'naga.
![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img237/6833/xelnaga.th.jpg)
Direct link: http://a.imageshack.us/img237/6833/xelnaga.jpg
Either they are labeled wrongly, or hybrids are very much Xel'naga. I'm not going to pass off game data as fact because there are plenty of things that are mislabeled, but this surely ranks above speculation.
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On August 14 2010 16:54 Eiviyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 23:07 Rethq wrote:
Hybrids.
They possess no free will, thus no purity of form or essence, thus they cannot be real Xel'naga. Direct link: http://a.imageshack.us/img237/6833/xelnaga.jpgEither they are labeled wrongly, or hybrids are very much Xel'naga. I'm not going to pass off game data as fact because there are plenty of things that are mislabeled, but this surely ranks above speculation.
Heh... if you haven't noticed I've noted things that are personal speculation, that generally means the things not marked that way are not speculation.
If you bothered to read the topic, a person asked about the ways to create Xel'naga. The Xel'naga, by definition are a merge of two races, one with purity... do I really have to do this again?
Hybrids are one of the 3 possible ways to create Xel'naga. One of these ways (Protoss infestation) has officially been deemed impossible. Hybrids are the 2nd way, the 'perversion' of the cycle, quoted by a Protoss preserver called Zamara (read OP and the rest of the topic).
You might have noticed I say real Xel'naga. The Hybrids are Xel'naga in form, but they do not possess the purities. Every advanced race can create purity of form or essence by genetic alteration, however, the Xel'naga scour the universe for naturally developed purities.
The question still stands whether these qualities in the Protoss and the Zerg developed naturally or were boosted by the one known as Dark Voice.
By all means, the Hybrids are Xel'naga, I never said they aren't. They aren't the real Xel'naga though.
Think about it like this, you have a zombie in a movie. Is the zombie a real human or just a mindless husk?
There is a big difference, don't you think?
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I have read the whole thread. Twice, even. Once a few days ago and once today before posting. I'm going to write off the pedantic nature of the first half of your post as a bad day or something, because it is quite unwarranted. If you feel it is warranted, then you can save yourself some trouble and stop reading right here.
That's a lot of speculation right there. You said yourself that Xel'naga is more of a title than a race. Fact is that zerg and protoss possess the purities. Another fact is that Xel'naga are the combination of two races with these purities. What is speculation is how those two races combined. You cannot rule out hybrids as not being "real" Xel'naga.
I'm not even sure what you're intending to mean by "real" Xel'naga. Never has it been implicitly stated how the merging occurs, and I'm a little confused over how Zeratul even knows that the hybrids are a perversion of the cycle and not part of the cycle itself. By all means if I've missed some key point that explains that, feel free to call me out on this paragraph.
I think a more fair and well rounded statement is that the original Xel'naga that uplifted the Protoss and Zerg are benevolent. The hybrids, while possessing much of the same identities, are malevolent. I don't think you can draw any other conclusion at this point other than an obvious conflict between the two Xel'naga types in the future.
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so is kerrigan gonna have to bone a protoss or something?
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I might be a Captain Obvious for this one, but... "Narud" is "Duran" backwards. I have to say this, but I don't know if it makes any sense.
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On August 14 2010 21:35 keioh wrote:
I might be a Captain Obvious for this one, but... "Narud" is "Duran" backwards. I have to say this, but I don't know if it makes any sense.
I'm not saying he isn't Duran because in all likelyhood, Narud probably is Duran, but I just can't see his motivation.
Duran would want to kill Kerrigan for his hybrids to prosper, referencing the "In Utter Darkness" dialog. Narud, however, is basically working to save Kerrigan. That's rather conflicting.
Although that opens the plot twist of Duran not being able to kill Kerrigan in her zerg form, but as Narud he can use Raynor to weaken her with the artifact and then kill her.
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On August 10 2010 20:20 Latham wrote:
Tassadar/Overmind Xel'Naga would be horrible :<
I want to see a Tassadar/Zeratul Archon that will implode the universe upon berth from the sheer amount of awesomeness it would create :|
There's just one problem though.
Archons suck in in SC2 ¬¬
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I would like to note one thing....
I've seen people explain similar things about the Hybrids... but one thing that was actually from Blizzard disagrees with this.
If you look in the actual files (not the in-game versions)... the Hybrid Destroyers (the bright-colored Hybrids) were actually named "Xel Naga Destroyers"....
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There needs to be a frigging better name for the bad guy than Dark Voice.
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On August 14 2010 19:31 Eiviyn wrote:
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That's a lot of speculation right there. You said yourself that Xel'naga is more of a title than a race. Fact is that zerg and protoss possess the purities. Another fact is that Xel'naga are the combination of two races with these purities. What is speculation is how those two races combined. You cannot rule out hybrids as not being "real" Xel'naga.
I'm not even sure what you're intending to mean by "real" Xel'naga. Never has it been implicitly stated how the merging occurs, and I'm a little confused over how Zeratul even knows that the hybrids are a perversion of the cycle and not part of the cycle itself. By all means if I've missed some key point that explains that, feel free to call me out on this paragraph.
I think a more fair and well rounded statement is that the original Xel'naga that uplifted the Protoss and Zerg are benevolent. The hybrids, while possessing much of the same identities, are malevolent. I don't think you can draw any other conclusion at this point other than an obvious conflict between the two Xel'naga types in the future.
"Each iteration of the xel'naga life cycle culminated in the "natural mergings" of other species which possessed purity of form and essence"
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid
"Over an extraordinary long period of time, the two species would naturally come together and merge."
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel'naga
The key word here is natural.
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Thanks for the post but you might want to add what purity of essence and form(generally) mean.
Purity of essence is pretty much the ability for one species to survive by evolution. The zerg represents it by absorbing species and evolving to suite any situation.
Purity of form is individual ability. The protoss have this in the form of psi powers and their khaila.
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On August 15 2010 03:45 Rethq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 19:31 Eiviyn wrote:
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That's a lot of speculation right there. You said yourself that Xel'naga is more of a title than a race. Fact is that zerg and protoss possess the purities. Another fact is that Xel'naga are the combination of two races with these purities. What is speculation is how those two races combined. You cannot rule out hybrids as not being "real" Xel'naga.
I'm not even sure what you're intending to mean by "real" Xel'naga. Never has it been implicitly stated how the merging occurs, and I'm a little confused over how Zeratul even knows that the hybrids are a perversion of the cycle and not part of the cycle itself. By all means if I've missed some key point that explains that, feel free to call me out on this paragraph.
I think a more fair and well rounded statement is that the original Xel'naga that uplifted the Protoss and Zerg are benevolent. The hybrids, while possessing much of the same identities, are malevolent. I don't think you can draw any other conclusion at this point other than an obvious conflict between the two Xel'naga types in the future. "Each iteration of the xel'naga life cycle culminated in the "natural mergings" of other species which possessed purity of form and essence" http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid"Over an extraordinary long period of time, the two species would naturally come together and merge." http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel'nagaThe key word here is natural.
How would zerg and protoss merge naturally if the zerg can't infest the protoss?
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On August 15 2010 04:48 buhhy wrote:
How would zerg and protoss merge naturally if the zerg can't infest the protoss?
We don't know how the merging itself works. Blizzard haven't disclosed anything about it.
A speculation would be that the Phoenix (or Energy) creatures have something to do with the merging process, but that is as good as any another speculation that is not confirmed by Blizzard.
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