EPTMy greatest fear is that in WoL even Blizzard appears hesistant on pinpointing the relationship between Xel'Naga and the hybrids. In the missions you can feel constent waffling on the role of Xel'Naga from missions to missions: even groups like Tal'darim seems confused on which 'God''s will they are servign. Until I read your theory, I was quite dumbfound by the about-face between the benevolent Xel'Naga of SC1 and the vile hybrids (and dark voice), despite similarity in background and omnipotence. I hope the lore people in Blizzard go through their various leads like you did and straighten it out. The last thing we need is another Matrix where we the real lore fans are forced into group amnesia from the sequels.
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
My greatest fear is that in WoL even Blizzard appears hesistant on pinpointing the relationship between Xel'Naga and the hybrids. In the missions you can feel constent waffling on the role of Xel'Naga from missions to missions: even groups like Tal'darim seems confused on which 'God''s will they are servign. Until I read your theory, I was quite dumbfound by the about-face between the benevolent Xel'Naga of SC1 and the vile hybrids (and dark voice), despite similarity in background and omnipotence. I hope the lore people in Blizzard go through their various leads like you did and straighten it out. The last thing we need is another Matrix where we the real lore fans are forced into group amnesia from the sequels. | ||
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theBlues
El Salvador638 Posts
I can already see the threads xel naga imba why xelnaga is OP 10 changes I would make to fix xelnaga xelnaga erradicator, the answer to terran mech | ||
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CaptChaos
United States4 Posts
First, thanks to the OP for making this thread, and for providing the bulk of the lore in this thread. Secondly, do not assume anything in this thread to be 100% conclusive, because we all know how fond Blizzard is of retcons. Thirdly (and this is a technicality), I do not guarantee that the quotes used in this post are worded properly, though the wording isn't changed enough to alter the meaning of the quotes. This is merely because I cannot remember the exact wording, and do not want to look up the exact wording for each quote I use. In this post I will assume the following: The hybrids are not Xel'Naga. The Dark Voice and the KL-2 Entity (Voice in the Darkness) are one and the same. I will elaborate on both of these points further on. All that being said, I agree with most of what the OP has stated thus far, but not with the vast majority of the other posts in this thread. The first issue I have is with the quote, "As I was your beginning, so shall I be your end," and its interpretation by those who have discussed it. This quote does not imply that the Dark Voice had a hand in the creation of the Protoss. The KL-2 Entity is known to be at least as old as the Xel'Naga, if not older. Therefore, it is possible the Dark Voice is speaking to Zeratul not as a Protoss but more as an inhabitant of the universe, implying that the Dark Voice may have had a hand in (or believes it had a hand in) the creation of the universe and/or its inhabitants. Short version - the other posters' interpretation of this quote is being skewed because they assume the Dark Voice addresses Zeratul specifically as a Protoss, when it is possible that he addresses Zeratul merely as a sentient life form. Secondly, the debate as to whether the hybrids are the next generation of Xel'Naga. I do not believe they are, because the original Xel'Naga did not manually merge Protoss and Zerg DNA as Duran did, but rather sped up their evolution to help them reach the point when they would merge naturally through evolution. The natural merging of the Protoss and Zerg would also produce Protoss/Zerg hybrids, but they would also be Xel'Naga. The Xel'Naga (as the OP mentioned) are not a race of their own, but are instead the perfect product of the natural merging of two other species. None of the generations of Xel'Naga (as we don't know how many reincarnations there have actually been) are genetically related to one another, so "Xel'Naga" becomes more of a title than the name of a species. Short version - The hybrids are not Xel'Naga because of the way they were created, though they may be as powerful or more than the actual Xel'Naga. Thirdly (and this came up less frequently than the above two issues), the overmind and its role in the story, as well as some basic Xel'Naga backstory. The Xel'Naga originally found purity of form in the Protoss, but seeing their tribal ways (Aeon of Strife) they sought purity of essence, and found it in the Zerg. To organize the Zerg the Xel'Naga created the Overmind. The Overmind was influenced by the Dark Voice (not the Xel'Naga) to destroy the Protoss. When it came time for the Zerg to leave Zerus, they assimilated the Behemoths - not mutalisks. The goal of the Xel'Naga was not necessarily for the Zerg to assimilate the Protoss, as that idea was the Overmind's. Regardless, the Protoss could not be infested due to the Khala. The Overmind did not want to destroy the Protoss, but it had no choice; however, it had seen the outcome of the Dark Voice's plan in a vision and created the Queen of Blades (Kerrigan) to prevent this future (as the Dark Voice could not influence Kerrigan, more on this soon). That is why Zeratul wants Kerrigan alive. Lastly, as to why the Dark Voice can not influence Kerrigan, and why it could influence the Overmind despite being imprisoned by the Xel'Naga. The Overmind is not a psionic entity, but a void-based entity. This still gives him power to control the swarm, but also explains why he and his cerebrates could only be killed by dark templar energies (dark templar also wield the power of the void). The Dark Voice is a void-based entity as well, which is likely why it was able to affect the Overmind during its imprisonment. Kerrigan (Queen of Blades) is not void-based, and is a powerful psychic, which explains why she can resist the Dark Voice's influence. One last note (because I can't remember if I already covered it), the Dark Voice is not a Xel'Naga. The Dark Voice (KL-2 Entity) was discovered and fought by the Xel'Naga shortly after they entered the galaxy. All my information has come from the forums here at www.teamliquid.net , as well as the Starcraft and Starcraft 2 wikia. Only small parts of this post are my own theories, most of it is made up of theories of other members of this website, and some segments are practically copied from the wikia. I will probably check this particular thread quite often to continue this discussion, and to answer questions/disagreements/etc. -CaptChaos | ||
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Taniard
United States114 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
That or hes just an evil xel naga who represents the purity of the zerg side more and would rather destroy and assimilate everything rather than the toss who are more of a sit on ur hands homogenous group. It will be interresting to see if tassadar, like the overmind is tainted by the dark voice as well. As probably the second most powerful psyionic being in sc, he will definately have a role to play here. Still hoping him and zeratul merge[ewww] into a SUPER archon, that can fly! And become available in melee so i can hunt those damn mutas down. Also, i understand why zera says save or destroy. The xel naga arent nice guys, its possible that alot more protoss and zerg must be destroyed/merged in order for them to be reborn. the dt value their individuality and wouldnt welcome that idea. Neither would the zerg who are finallyy free of the overmind and kerrigan who is purified. Dont forget these were the same guys that corrupted the overmind into only wanting to kill protoss. Ofc it backfired, when the overmind became aware but still, billions of deaths for being just a bit closer to their goal. Terrans have a more interesting story though, the ued could return, mengsk or his son could feud, nova could be a clone of kerrigan. But will have to see. Im sure someone important will actually die for real next expansion. tychus dead. Not tassadar dead. | ||
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CaptChaos
United States4 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:47 T0fuuu wrote: its possible that the dark voice is the previous generation of xel naga who was imprisoned by the current generation. Seeing as he has similar powers to the complete xel naga, the ability to corrupt and manipulate other beings. He also seems to know how the cycle works and of all history. That or hes just an evil xel naga who represents the purity of the zerg side more and would rather destroy and assimilate everything rather than the toss who are more of a sit on ur hands homogenous group. It will be interresting to see if tassadar, like the overmind is tainted by the dark voice as well. As probably the second most powerful psyionic being in sc, he will definately have a role to play here. Still hoping him and zeratul merge[ewww] into a SUPER archon, that can fly! And become available in melee so i can hunt those damn mutas down. Also, i understand why zera says save or destroy. The xel naga arent nice guys, its possible that alot more protoss and zerg must be destroyed/merged in order for them to be reborn. the dt value their individuality and wouldnt welcome that idea. Neither would the zerg who are finallyy free of the overmind and kerrigan who is purified. Dont forget these were the same guys that corrupted the overmind into only wanting to kill protoss. Ofc it backfired, when the overmind became aware but still, billions of deaths for being just a bit closer to their goal. Terrans have a more interesting story though, the ued could return, mengsk or his son could feud, nova could be a clone of kerrigan. But will have to see. Im sure someone important will actually die for real next expansion. tychus dead. Not tassadar dead. Dont forget these were the same guys that corrupted the overmind into only wanting to kill protoss. No...no no no. The Xel'Naga intended to remain hidden to the Overmind and allow the Protoss and Zerg to encounter each other and merge naturally. It was the Dark Voice that influenced the Overmind to kill the Protoss, and it was a sudden behavioral change that the Xel'Naga noted as unusual. Assuming that the Dark Voice and the KL-2 Entity are the same (and I assume this because they share many similar personality traits, as well as similar ultimate goals), it is not possible that the Dark Voice is a Xel'Naga of any kind. It is known that the KL-2 Entity has been responsible for the downfall of many great civilizations, which greatly contrasts the behavioral traits of the Xel'Naga, who cherish all life (they refused to destroy the KL-2 Entity, imprisoning it instead). "Xel'Naga" is not the name of a particular race, but more a title to describe a race possessing both purity of form and purity of essence. It cannot be argued that the KL-2 Entity has purity of essence, because that is the ability of a race to think and act as a whole (Zerg+Overmind), and the KL-2 Entity is a single entity - kind of a loop-hole, but still valid. Regardless, if the KL-2 Entity is the last of a previous generation of Xel'Naga, it would not be the Xel'Naga Zeratul refers to, and it would be a Xel'Naga that has no genetic relation to the generation of Xel'Naga Zeratul refers to. nova could be a clone of kerrigan This, unfortunately, is also false (though they are pretty damn similar). Nova has had a canonical book written about her that predates her ghost training, and she is not a clone of Kerrigan. | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On August 24 2010 15:28 TheBlueMeaner wrote: I wouldnt discount the posibility of a fourth race, remember undead in wc3? I can already see the threads xel naga imba why xelnaga is OP 10 changes I would make to fix xelnaga xelnaga erradicator, the answer to terran mech Remember Naga in WC3? Yeah, exactly. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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AlphaOfUrOmega
United States28 Posts
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
Zeratul calls the Dark Voice The Fallen One. Aldaris (judicator) in SC1 calls the Dark templars the fallen ones. This is completely baseless but adds to the confusion a bit :D | ||
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omnia
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/File:DarkVoice_SC2_Head1.JPEG) ![[image loading]](http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/File:DarkVoice_SC2_Head3.jpg) | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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Setev
Malaysia390 Posts
On August 09 2010 03:45 kmdarkmaster wrote: The funny thing is, he can't have more than 5! = 120 names, since all of them would be a permutation of "Duran". Oh, I forgot the first name, Samir, isn't it ? In that case the maximum number of names he can have is 5! x 5! = 14400 (quite a lot though) You can't say he has 120 names from "Duran". Not all combinations can become names. Eg: what kind of name is Rduan? Nrdau? You need to actually examine the combinations phonetically by manually doing the combinations.... | ||
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Isadork
Canada14 Posts
On August 08 2010 23:07 Rethq wrote: Dark Voice. Evil bad guy, imprisoned by Xel'naga. Doesn't like the Xel'naga. Understands that the only way to defeat the Xel'naga is to stop their cycle since the death of one generation means little when races with purity of essence and form have already been 'uplifted'. The Dark Voice, even though imprisoned manages to influence the Overmind. The change in the Overmind is sudden, unlike that in the Protoss, that means there is an outside source influencing it. The only issue you have with this is I think you are confusing the Dark Voice with The Voice in the Darkness Which Blizzard straight up said they are not one in the same. I know you said ina later post that you are just making the assumption that they are, and this would normally be a very good assumption. But unless Blizzard is straight up lieing to our faces (which is possible) then this assumption is wrong and without the trust of what Blizzard says to be decently true, then what is the point of speculating if literally anything and everything could happen? But the rest is solid. | ||
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