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On August 09 2010 01:09 Opinion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:00 brocoli wrote:
the "purity" refers to the will to make itself better, enhance itself
Zerg has "purity of form" - they can assimilate species into their own, and even modify them to some extent. Single individuals can also mutate to become drastically different
Protoss has "purity of essence" - with their powerful psionic powers and in the way (almost) their whole species communicates through the Khala. They are "good" beings and keep trying to make themselves better in that regard (even though often times they are overzealous).
Take them both together, and you get the Xel'Naga, the beings that cherish all that is life.
(by the way, add a good amount of pragmatism and individualism/self-centeredness to these two, plus some sort of will to manipulate other stuff than itself, and you get the Terrans) Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but what IS the zerg? What was the first Zerg form? I've read that lings, hydralisks, ultras etc etc were all assimilated into the zerg, but what was the first Zerg form? did they start with something? Maybe a drone? Or maybe its a single cell organism?
The Cerebrates are the original zerg, I would imagine.
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On August 09 2010 00:06 cascades wrote:
It could be true, but it sure as hell isn't official lore, so disregard OP's post.
Read the post again. And try to put some effort into reading the sources and wiki links I added before saying I am wrong.
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If anyone can offer an explanation of these 3 things I would be most appreciative.
What is the difference between:
1) Zerg assimilating the Protoss
2)"Hybrid" of Zerg and Protoss
3) Using these phoenix energy beings to merge the races
It seems like all 3 of these processes would "complete the cycle" and the difference between them is just semantics.
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As far as I know the zerus larva are the most related to the first zerg.
1) Zerg assimilating the Protoss
2)"Hybrid" of Zerg and Protoss
3) Using these phoenix energy beings to merge the races
1. The Zerg couldn´t assimilate the Protoss
2. The Hybrids we have seen thus far where created through some weird experiments and where imperfect monsters
3.We don´t even know what the phoenix should do but the OP thinks that they are used to create the next generation of the Xelnaga but thats just his guess
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On August 09 2010 01:30 FecalFrown wrote:
If anyone can offer an explanation of these 3 things I would be most appreciative.
What is the difference between:
1) Zerg assimilating the Protoss
2)"Hybrid" of Zerg and Protoss
3) Using these phoenix energy beings to merge the races
It seems like all 3 of these processes would "complete the cycle" and the difference between them is just semantics.
1)Impossible.
+ Show Spoiler +Infested protoss were removed from the game due to lore reasons; Chris Metzen has said "there are no infested protoss, period"[5] and Dustin Browder has said "based on the lore, the Protoss do not become infested. The combination of the two result in a hybrid race".[6] However, Blizzard has also contradicted this statement.[7][8] The issue was clarified in StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty: infested protoss do not exist.[2] http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Infested_protoss
2) Creates a 'perversion' of the cycle.
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3) Yet unknown. Possibly the natural way to complete the cycle.
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On August 09 2010 01:00 brocoli wrote:
the "purity" refers to the will to make itself better, enhance itself
Zerg has "purity of form" - they can assimilate species into their own, and even modify them to some extent. Single individuals can also mutate to become drastically different
Protoss has "purity of essence" - with their powerful psionic powers and in the way (almost) their whole species communicates through the Khala. They are "good" beings and keep trying to make themselves better in that regard (even though often times they are overzealous).
Wasnt it the other way around? zerg having "purity of essence" and protoss having "purity of form"
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On August 09 2010 03:06 Nik0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:00 brocoli wrote:
the "purity" refers to the will to make itself better, enhance itself
Zerg has "purity of form" - they can assimilate species into their own, and even modify them to some extent. Single individuals can also mutate to become drastically different
Protoss has "purity of essence" - with their powerful psionic powers and in the way (almost) their whole species communicates through the Khala. They are "good" beings and keep trying to make themselves better in that regard (even though often times they are overzealous).
Wasnt it the other way around? zerg having "purity of essence" and protoss having "purity of form"
No thats right, Zerg adapt to become the perfect form. For example they incorporate different species to make them zerg to allow them to surpass their limitations. Another way of explaining this is that zerg are biological on par with the Protoss (in combat) who are technologically advanced. The Zerg are the best physical form around.
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First off as far as I know we STILL don't officially know if the Voice of the Void and the master of the Hybrids (the Dark Voice) are the SAME. So you already departed from official lore.
Samir Duran is no where stated to be possessed by the Voice of the Void, which doesn't say it's wrong but all other possessed Terrans had some weird thing coming from their eyes and he lacks this. Again not definite proof against but it makes me conclude that Duran is a separate entity, he said he had many names over the centuries. What I like to make of that is that he may had been some of the critical people in early Protoss and late Terran history (for example Khass or the judicator who sent Adun against the DT, Duran ofc, maybe Narud... the implications are huge and interesting).
Narud being Duran is possible and would draw you to your conclusion because of the moebius guys responsible for the freedom of the Voice of the Void. But what makes me think otherwise is that it's just way to obvious, you know if Duran was such a master baddie would ha just reverse his name and think I am so smart lololol ? But considering how childish WoL was I wouldn't be surprised if you were correct.
And I wouldn't count the humans as simply tools. I would think of them as a variable that was not expected in the constants of the Xel'Nagas predictions. They can be a tool against them but can also work for their plan with groups like the Raiders.
In short an interesting idea but I think too obvious and then (hopefully) not true. Also I feel that Xel'Naga being made and saving everyone doesn't sit right.
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I just looked it up in the StarCraft 1 Manual and it says that the protoss had purity of form. Yet their individual minds and wills lead to unforeseen complications (civil war). After the Xel'Naga realized this, they tried to create the purity of essence - the zerg.
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On August 08 2010 23:19 Thegilaboy wrote:
So Duran isn't special, even though he claimed to be "many millennia old" and "having many names over these millennia" (Narud perhaps)? I think he is a bit more than just some Terran as you claim, but other than that it's a nice overview
The funny thing is, he can't have more than 5! = 120 names, since all of them would be a permutation of "Duran".
Oh, I forgot the first name, Samir, isn't it ? In that case the maximum number of names he can have is 5! x 5! = 14400 (quite a lot though)
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On August 08 2010 23:07 Rethq wrote:They reproduce by the 'Cycle'. The Cycle is a merging of 2 races - one with purity of essence, the other with purity of form. That means that every single Xel'naga is born of the merge. There are no births during the existence of one generation. Source:+ Show Spoiler +The xel'naga were incredibly long-lived by protoss standards, but not immortal; eventually their species would come to an end. In the interest of survival they planned to create new xel'naga by uplifting two species. A pair of qualities was required and these were defined by the xel'naga as the purity of essence and the purity of form, and each uplifted species would be targeted for one of them. Over an extraordinary long period of time, the two species would naturally come together and merge. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel'naga
Lol... this makes me kinda glad I didn't play the campaign. That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard of.
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On August 09 2010 03:42 nemanja1503 wrote:
First off as far as I know we STILL don't officially know if the Voice of the Void and the master of the Hybrids (the Dark Voice) are the SAME. So you already departed from official lore.
Well, then we will have two Godlike entities with hatred to the Xel'naga, and with similar names.
And it's Voice in the Darkness, not Voice of the Void.
Even though I don't exclude this possibility, don't you think the chance for that is extremely low?
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Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but what IS the zerg? What was the first Zerg form?
I've read that lings, hydralisks, ultras etc etc were all assimilated into the zerg, but what was the first Zerg form? did they start with something? Maybe a drone?
Or maybe its a single cell organism?
Little grubs from a world called Zerus. The Larvae most resembles the original zerg. Quite Humbling aint it.
+ Show Spoiler +http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zerus
Anyway OP, great post, but you left out one thing....
"She will break the Cycle of the Gods"
"Wait a minute...you're talking about about Kerrigan aren't you!"
"The Cycle of the Gods will be Broken"
Your OP however, is oriented around her continuing the cycle of the gods...and stopping the Hybrids.
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On August 09 2010 03:06 Nik0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:00 brocoli wrote:
the "purity" refers to the will to make itself better, enhance itself
Zerg has "purity of form" - they can assimilate species into their own, and even modify them to some extent. Single individuals can also mutate to become drastically different
Protoss has "purity of essence" - with their powerful psionic powers and in the way (almost) their whole species communicates through the Khala. They are "good" beings and keep trying to make themselves better in that regard (even though often times they are overzealous).
Wasnt it the other way around? zerg having "purity of essence" and protoss having "purity of form"
Oops, it IS the other way around. For some reason I swapped the two words o_O.
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I like this version of SC's lore better than whatever Blizz is likely to come up with.
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Well what most resembles the original Zerg are the Cerebrates, they are literally giant versions of the original Zerg organism.
@Rethq
Even if it is far fetched that they aren't one the same. What you stated is rather obvious and that is my main argument. If this is their big plot twist then it fails due to predictability. Who the hell wants a to hear a story to which it knows the big surprise?
Also how do you explain it controlling Duran before it was released while he doesn't show any side effects?
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hm
the OP makes the whole starcraft story sound kinda cool. Makes me wonder why the WoL story was so shallow and boring.
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What doesn't make much sense in my opinion is why the hybrids come out as walking juggernauts. If the Xel'naga were the result of a previous merging, I just don't see it possible for the zerg or the Protoss to have done much damage to their bodies.
In fact, I think the power levels of the hybrids should be toned down in game. It should cost a lot of resources to fuel their near invincible bodies. They should be support unit like a defiler or a high templar, not a main attack unit.
The original picture that I got from SC1 was that the Xel'naga didn't care about merging the two species. It was the Overmind that wanted to harvest the DNA of the Protoss. The Xel'naga were very intrigued by the Protoss' purity of form, meaning their bodies were resistant to disease and other things that would affect us humans. They were also impressed by the natural telepathy of the Protoss. But the Protoss individuality and egos worked against the Xel'naga and the Xel'naga fled from the jealousy of the Protoss to their creators. So they worked specifically on creating a species with purity of essence, by introducing the Overmind into Zerg. The zerg didn't start with Purity of Essence, it was given to them by the Xel'naga. The Xel'naga liked the Zerg for their natural ability to harvest genetic material, but they feared the same rise of egos within the Zerg swarm so they sought to prevent that. It's when the Overmind realized that he could acquire the genetic material of mutalisks into the swarm that his war against Xel'naga was declared.
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On August 09 2010 01:12 Miles_Edgeworth wrote:
Protoss is purity of form. Zerg is purity of essence.
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On August 09 2010 03:45 kmdarkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 23:19 Thegilaboy wrote:
So Duran isn't special, even though he claimed to be "many millennia old" and "having many names over these millennia" (Narud perhaps)? I think he is a bit more than just some Terran as you claim, but other than that it's a nice overview The funny thing is, he can't have more than 5! = 120 names, since all of them would be a permutation of "Duran". Oh, I forgot the first name, Samir, isn't it ? In that case the maximum number of names he can have is 5! x 5! = 14400 (quite a lot though)
No rule saying that super old beings have to keep the same letters in all of their pseudonyms :p
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