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occam's razer here guys...
dark voice
voice in the void
samir duran
dr narud
the fallen one.
ALL the same guy.
So I would put it at this:
-Xel'naga, not able to reproduce normally require 2 races, one pure of form one pure of essence to create the next generation
-Xel'naga create the protoss, pure of form, then leave the protoss to create the zerg
-Xel'naga create the zerg, Urdan decides he's had enough of the rest of the Xel'naga due to not conforming to his naming scheme, and goes all nihilist, wanting to break the cycle.
-Dranu then turns the overmind against the rest of the xel'naga, wiping them out. Now he just needs to kill all the protoss and the zerg and the cycle will be broken, so he turns the zerg loose on the protoss.
-Somewhere here, Rudna begins creating the protoss zerg hybrids, a basterdization of what a true merging would be, but extremely powerful none-the-less
-The overmind realises what is going to happen, visions and all that jazz, so he creates Kerrigan as the queen of blades to lead the zerg out of slavery.
-Andur realises that the overmind has done this, and jumps into his latest name Duran to lead the events of broodwar to hopefully go the way he wants, which is for kerrigan to die (see how he antagonized everyone and then left her to die in 'Omega' watch the mission briefing here, it is very spelled out that duran has abandoned her in the time she is most vulnerable)
-Dunar realises the futility of killing the queen of blades in her current 'class 12 psionic lifeform' status, so adopts his clever disguise as Narud (nobody will suspect him!) and enlists the help of his dominion buddies to get the artifacts he knows about, being a xel'naga himself unearthed and assembled to de-zergify kerrigan. He uses Jim because he knows A) kerrigan has a soft spot for him B) he is buddy buddy with the protoss and C) he has won against insurmountable zerg odds before (overmind on Aiur)
-Raynor goes to char, where Kerrigan's soft spot for him allows for a slightly easier then otherwise mission, where the only thing that saves kerrigan's life is the fact Raynor has seen the overmind's vision of the future, where kerrigan must live, making up his mind on time to stop the bullet from tychus and save her life. (reasoning here is the logic that only the viewing of future events can lead to their changing, so I'd put kerrigan living through that cinimatic as the key focal point of change from the vision's possible future.)
-Heart of the swarm will revolve around kerrigan being hunted by mensk, as well as the hybrids as they wrest control of the zerg from her weakened grasp (you must build up from scratch again)
-Undoubtedly Nardu will make an appearance and try to stop kerrigan, most likely with the backing of mensk.
and my baseless prediction:
Tassadar and the overmind have done a true merge and are a genuine next-gen xel'naga now. hence how tassadar says he will never die or somesuch (xel'naga are immortal or what-have-you)
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Actually realised, Nudar will likely leave mensk out to dry for all his war-crimes, and have prince Valarian step up and be the powerhouse, fueling his drive to kill Kerrigan even more then during WoL
Sorry if my swapping his name around confused people, just read every italicized name as the same guy...
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The protoss campaign will then be the big hurrah showdown, where you are fighting Nurda and his hybrids, who control a sizable amount of zerg still, even after (or maybe because of) the events of Heart of the Swarm as well as his Valerian lead dominion and probably some Tal'darim who worship him as a God because of him actually being a xel'naga. You then beat him in some epic last battle where you have to defend/attack some all-important xel'naga artifact/hybrid brain thing, after which you get a satisfying video of tassadar coming to save the day and zeratul sacrificing himself for the cause...
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On August 10 2010 06:06 Knightlax wrote:
Samir Duran really seems like a Xel'Naga to me. Whether his malevolence is characteristic of all Xel'Naga or if he's simply a rogue member of the race, I'm not sure. But in the Brood War mission where he is talking to Zeratul, he says:
"I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal."
The use of the word "prodigal" is a biblical allusion to the parable of the prodigal son, where a father's rebellious son takes his inheritance and squanders it, only to come back later asking for forgiveness and a place at the servant's table. Though I don't think the relationship between the protoss and Xel'Naga will extend as far as the parable, I think its pretty clear that Duran is referring to Zeratul as a young son returning to his father/creator after a long absence. As the protoss were created or "uplifted" by the Xel'Naga, it would seem that Duran is a Xel'Naga.
I'm sure someone could explain this away or it could get retconned away. In any event, I'm sticking to Duran being a Xel'Naga and Narud being a Xel'Naga, if not Duran himself.
then why would duran try to destroy the xel naga by working with the dark voice?
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Am I the only one who can't help but think about Babylon 5 every time I read Starcraft lore?
...at least it's not Pocahontas.
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On August 10 2010 07:51 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 06:06 Knightlax wrote:
Samir Duran really seems like a Xel'Naga to me. Whether his malevolence is characteristic of all Xel'Naga or if he's simply a rogue member of the race, I'm not sure. But in the Brood War mission where he is talking to Zeratul, he says:
"I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal."
The use of the word "prodigal" is a biblical allusion to the parable of the prodigal son, where a father's rebellious son takes his inheritance and squanders it, only to come back later asking for forgiveness and a place at the servant's table. Though I don't think the relationship between the protoss and Xel'Naga will extend as far as the parable, I think its pretty clear that Duran is referring to Zeratul as a young son returning to his father/creator after a long absence. As the protoss were created or "uplifted" by the Xel'Naga, it would seem that Duran is a Xel'Naga.
I'm sure someone could explain this away or it could get retconned away. In any event, I'm sticking to Duran being a Xel'Naga and Narud being a Xel'Naga, if not Duran himself.
then why would duran try to destroy the xel naga by working with the dark voice?
because they didn't comply with his naming scheme!
seriously though, it's a rogue xel'naga out to break the cycle, hence the name 'Fallen One' used in utter darkness.
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On August 08 2010 23:19 Thegilaboy wrote:
So Duran isn't special, even though he claimed to be "many millennia old" and "having many names over these millennia" (Narud perhaps)? I think he is a bit more than just some Terran as you claim, but other than that it's a nice overview
Maybe Duran is being possessed by an agent of The Dark Voice. Thus his claims to being millenniums old, having many names, and working for a great power is all true.
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On August 10 2010 07:55 Shiladie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:51 shawster wrote:On August 10 2010 06:06 Knightlax wrote:
Samir Duran really seems like a Xel'Naga to me. Whether his malevolence is characteristic of all Xel'Naga or if he's simply a rogue member of the race, I'm not sure. But in the Brood War mission where he is talking to Zeratul, he says:
"I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal."
The use of the word "prodigal" is a biblical allusion to the parable of the prodigal son, where a father's rebellious son takes his inheritance and squanders it, only to come back later asking for forgiveness and a place at the servant's table. Though I don't think the relationship between the protoss and Xel'Naga will extend as far as the parable, I think its pretty clear that Duran is referring to Zeratul as a young son returning to his father/creator after a long absence. As the protoss were created or "uplifted" by the Xel'Naga, it would seem that Duran is a Xel'Naga.
I'm sure someone could explain this away or it could get retconned away. In any event, I'm sticking to Duran being a Xel'Naga and Narud being a Xel'Naga, if not Duran himself.
then why would duran try to destroy the xel naga by working with the dark voice? because they didn't comply with his naming scheme! seriously though, it's a rogue xel'naga out to break the cycle, hence the name 'Fallen One' used in utter darkness.
Maybe Duran is being controlled by one of the Dark Voice's agents.
BTW maybe you should read more about the Dark Voice. He is not a Xel'Naga.
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On August 10 2010 08:40 deadbutmoving wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:55 Shiladie wrote:On August 10 2010 07:51 shawster wrote:On August 10 2010 06:06 Knightlax wrote:
Samir Duran really seems like a Xel'Naga to me. Whether his malevolence is characteristic of all Xel'Naga or if he's simply a rogue member of the race, I'm not sure. But in the Brood War mission where he is talking to Zeratul, he says:
"I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal."
The use of the word "prodigal" is a biblical allusion to the parable of the prodigal son, where a father's rebellious son takes his inheritance and squanders it, only to come back later asking for forgiveness and a place at the servant's table. Though I don't think the relationship between the protoss and Xel'Naga will extend as far as the parable, I think its pretty clear that Duran is referring to Zeratul as a young son returning to his father/creator after a long absence. As the protoss were created or "uplifted" by the Xel'Naga, it would seem that Duran is a Xel'Naga.
I'm sure someone could explain this away or it could get retconned away. In any event, I'm sticking to Duran being a Xel'Naga and Narud being a Xel'Naga, if not Duran himself.
then why would duran try to destroy the xel naga by working with the dark voice? because they didn't comply with his naming scheme! seriously though, it's a rogue xel'naga out to break the cycle, hence the name 'Fallen One' used in utter darkness. Maybe Duran is being controlled by one of the Dark Voice's agents. BTW maybe you should read more about the Dark Voice. He is not a Xel'Naga.
where is he written about then? I'm taking my assertations that he is xel'naga in these:
-zeratul says the xel'naga are returning "... or to destroy" hinting at the big bad coming in to be a XN
-Dark voice says "I am your beginning and so shall I be your end" hinting that he had a definite hand in the creation of the protoss, meaning he is a XN
-making up new races of all-powerful immortal beings when there is already one he could be a fallen member of violates occam's razer.
edit:
I'm actually curious, if you have a source that says otherwise I really want to read it so I'm not way off on the wrong track on these things...
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[QUOTE]On August 08 2010 23:07 Rethq wrote:
Hello TL,
Vision of the future.
The only way to defeat the Dark Voice and its army of hybrids is to bring back the Xel'naga. The Xel'naga, if you have been reading is a merge of 2 races. These 2 races currently are zerg and protoss.
You can't do that if you don't have zerg.
Thus you need control of the zerg.
Thus you need Kerrigan alive.
There is a big logical flaw in your theory leading to this point: Xel naga created the overmind to create new Xel naga, but kerrigan is not the overmind, she has free will, and she dosent have to merge anything she dont want to ( well mayb with raynor, she always had a soft spot for him :D)
Therefore there is no reason why she should be the answer to stop the DarkVoice´s hybrids.
There is a logical flaw in your reasoning that leads to this point:
It was the overmind that had no free will, and had to create new xel naga, kerrigan has no free will, sho she dosent have to merge with anything (well mayb raynor, she always had a soft spot for him :D).
I think that if the xel naga and the dark voice are like "The Big guys" and the zerg and protoss are the xel nagas rebirth, that leaves the terran ... like an ant compared to the galaxy? :D.
Also as far as i know the protoss were abandoned by the xel naga becouse the xel naga were dissapointed in them (starcraft manual is the source for this), and the protoss dont really feel like merging with the zerg .
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Calling it now:
First true Protoss / Zerg hybrids (and therefore first of the next generation of Xel'Naga):
Tassadar and the Overmind.
EDIT: Goddammit, Shiladie called it first ><
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Raynor will become half-protoss and then this problem will solve itself... sexily 
Sorry for spoiling the mainplot of all the games there. You know the secret ingredient for any epic cosmic merging is looooooove... always the love.
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On August 10 2010 09:02 Shiladie wrote:
where is he written about then? I'm taking my assertations that he is xel'naga in these:
-zeratul says the xel'naga are returning "... or to destroy" hinting at the big bad coming in to be a XN
-Dark voice says "I am your beginning and so shall I be your end" hinting that he had a definite hand in the creation of the protoss, meaning he is a XN
-making up new races of all-powerful immortal beings when there is already one he could be a fallen member of violates occam's razer.
edit:
I'm actually curious, if you have a source that says otherwise I really want to read it so I'm not way off on the wrong track on these things...
Zeratul, doesn't have enough information to know about the nature of the Xel'naga. He hasn't read the manual.
I'm shooting in the dark here, but it's entirely possible that the Dark Voice is exceedingly bad-ass, and was in fact creator of the Zerg and Protoss. He created them in such a way that they are easily manipulatable (easy control for him of the Overmind), and stubborn, refusing change (Protoss religion and way of thinking).
He then lured the Xel'naga into choosing these two races. Remember that even the Xel'naga were surprised at how perfect the Zerg and Protoss were in the qualities purity of essence and purity of form.
And please, get it straight, the Xel'naga do not create the races, they just speed their evolution...
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On August 10 2010 07:52 REM.ca wrote:
Am I the only one who can't help but think about Babylon 5 every time I read Starcraft lore?
...at least it's not Pocahontas.
The Fallen One does sound awefully lot like Ctulhu, imho. The way it controls people into doing his bidding (Overmind, Duran, etc), and has a great scheme of his own which affects everything and everyone, without them even knowing it's there.
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On August 10 2010 07:32 Shiladie wrote:
occam's razer here guys...
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much stuff
Great post, terrible lore
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What really pisses me off about this is that terrans are just stupid meatballs that are inferiors and most of the times just tools. We have the siege tank people WTF?
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On August 10 2010 10:39 Zato-1 wrote:
Calling it now:
First true Protoss / Zerg hybrids (and therefore first of the next generation of Xel'Naga):
Tassadar and the Overmind.
EDIT: Goddammit, Shiladie called it first ><
Calling it now:
First true Xel'Naga:
Kerrigan.
Human body, became a zerg, purifiey by a xel-naga artifact, well and in the next 2 campaigns, she will somehow mix up with a protoss.
And end up a Xel'Naga saving the universe.
I really hope it doesn´t end this way... but you never know.
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....... just for the record, a zerg can't just "merge" with a protoss. The Protoss need to be assimilated by the Zerg (this was the Xel'Naga's plan) for the cycle to be complete, ie, the Protoss and the Zerg are no longer 2 seperate races, they become one.
Now, obviously this can't happen, or we will only have 2 races, xel'naga and terran, and the game will be dead. Or there will be 4 (with off-shoots of zerg and protoss that didn't get assimilated), and the game as we know it will be dead (unless they make a xel'naga single player only expansion with no relation to the multiplayer at all. which I highly doubt, not impossible but very doubtful)
Basically I believe the cycle will never be complete, and the status-quo will continue. The Hybrids we fought in WoL (as protoss) had already destroyed the Zerg and the Terran were nowhere to be found. There's nothing to say the three races together can't, and wont be able to destroy the hybrids and send the dark voice back to whatever dark corner of the universe he crawled out of.
Look at Blizzard's other games, it's very rare that a storyline gets wrapped up nice and neatly, let alone an IP ending storyline...
TLDR: The xel'naga don't need to come back, sure it could happen, but that could easily be millenia down the time-line. The 3 races fight together to win. End of story. Cya later.
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On August 10 2010 16:35 oo_xerox wrote:
What really pisses me off about this is that terrans are just stupid meatballs that are inferiors and most of the times just tools. We have the siege tank people WTF?
Lool because you need one of the "purities" to be "superior", and a race that use lame turtle stats will never have that wonderful purity.
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On August 10 2010 19:11 kmdarkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 16:35 oo_xerox wrote:
What really pisses me off about this is that terrans are just stupid meatballs that are inferiors and most of the times just tools. We have the siege tank people WTF? Lool because you need one of the "purities" to be "superior", and a race that use lame turtle stats will never have that wonderful purity.
Terran was created third, with purity of tanks.
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