EPTThe Truth about Xel'naga and Dark Voice [Spoilers] - Page 3
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
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kmdarkmaster
France188 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:23 Thegilaboy wrote: No rule saying that super old beings have to keep the same letters in all of their pseudonyms :p That doesn't matter, because he must use his real id in Blizzard forums anyway lool. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:10 DetriusXii wrote: The original picture that I got from SC1 was that the Xel'naga didn't care about merging the two species. It was the Overmind that wanted to harvest the DNA of the Protoss. The Xel'naga were very intrigued by the Protoss' purity of form, meaning their bodies were resistant to disease and other things that would affect us humans. They were also impressed by the natural telepathy of the Protoss. But the Protoss individuality and egos worked against the Xel'naga and the Xel'naga fled from the jealousy of the Protoss to their creators. So they worked specifically on creating a species with purity of essence, by introducing the Overmind into Zerg. The zerg didn't start with Purity of Essence, it was given to them by the Xel'naga. The Xel'naga liked the Zerg for their natural ability to harvest genetic material, but they feared the same rise of egos within the Zerg swarm so they sought to prevent that. It's when the Overmind realized that he could acquire the genetic material of mutalisks into the swarm that his war against Xel'naga was declared. If this was so, it has been retconned. Canon now is that the xel'naga formed both protoss and zerg to combine into the next cycle of xel'naga. They didn't leave the protoss because of any fault in the protoss, but because they had to create the zerg. The protoss, however believed that they were left because of some failure of theirs, and this has shaped much of their culture and society. Source: The dark templar trilogy. | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:38 kmdarkmaster wrote: That doesn't matter, because he must use his real id in Blizzard forums anyway lool. And that's the story of how Battlenet 2.0 saved the day  | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 09 2010 04:41 7mk wrote: hm the OP makes the whole starcraft story sound kinda cool. Makes me wonder why the WoL story was so shallow and boring. They always seem to confine the more interesting stuff to write ups in manuals, books, and comics. Hopefully, they bring more to light in HotS. We got a lot of pointless side missions in WoL. The only interesting parts were the zeratul and final missions (and those leading up it). Also, it seems to me, that xel'naga is more of a title than actual race. The title of that being a race that possess both of what the xel'naga call purity of essence and form. Unless merely combining two races with those properties will always create the same xel'naga. | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada966 Posts
DURAN = NARUD spelled backwards just like ARTANIS = SINATRA backwards | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
"...the xel'naga that forged us all are returning. But do they come to save... or to destroy?" Just a confusing statement in general. If they are returning to destroy, then that makes sense with the whole burning of the galaxy, but it contradicts the peaceful nature of the Xel'Naga. If it is the Dark Voice entity who is trying to destroy everyone with the hybrids, then why does Zeratul even mention the Xel'Naga? "Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." Completion of a cycle? Everything about this quote suggests the Zerg/Protoss hybrid is supposed to be a Xel'Naga. The stars were certainly young when the Xel'Naga became powerful. "Culmination of your history" refers to how the Protoss' purpose was to create the next generation of Xel'Naga. "I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal. You would know me best as Samir Duran." Duran suggests that he is a shapeshifting Xel'Naga. Only a Xel'Naga or the Dark Voice could consider Zeratul as "young". Then there is the Preserver Zamara describing the hybrids as a perversion of the natural order. This suggests that the hybrids might be a corrupted form of Xel'Naga, that the Dark Voice could wipe out the Xel'Naga by using the hybrids to block the natural cycle. Finally, most confusing of all, is when the Dark Voice hints that he is a Xel'Naga. "As I was your beginning... so shall I be your end." The Xel'Naga were the beginning of the Protoss, yet this Dark Voice entity takes credit for that? I hope Blizzard's explanation for this contradiction isn't as simple as "he was lying" or "prophetic visions are not accurate". As you can see, there are reasons to believe that the evil beings who want to conquer the sector with hybrids are Xel'Naga, which contradicts the lore, and there are also many reasons to believe they are enemies of the Xel'Naga, who claim to be the Xel'Naga. If I had to take a guess at what the real story is to explain these contradictions, I'd say that the Dark Voice is an entity who wants to destroy the Xel'Naga for good by blocking their reproductive cycle. Duran is a Xel'Naga who was corrupted by the Dark Voice long ago, and is now making hybrids because he believes this is part of the great cycle of Xel'Naga reproduction, not knowing that these hybrids are actually servants of the Dark Voice who will destroy the Xel'Naga forever. It still doesn't explain the Dark Voice claims to be the creator of the Protoss though. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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-Desu-
Turkey173 Posts
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:32 Lightswarm wrote: just like ARTANIS = SINATRA backwards HOLY SHIT | ||
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DetriusXii
Canada156 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:42 Maginor wrote: If this was so, it has been retconned. Canon now is that the xel'naga formed both protoss and zerg to combine into the next cycle of xel'naga. They didn't leave the protoss because of any fault in the protoss, but because they had to create the zerg. The protoss, however believed that they were left because of some failure of theirs, and this has shaped much of their culture and society. Source: The dark templar trilogy. I know. It seems like Blizzard retcons their story after every sequel to the game. As a side note, I hate the introduction of a spirituality in science fiction settings. It's brought down several science fiction settings. Buffy Season 7 had a big bad that had no tangible limits and that could never be attacked directly. Battlestar Galactica resorted to the "God did it" solution to explain away the mysteries. The last few seasons of SG1 resorted to battling ascended beings that required several deus ex machinas in order to defeat them. A good story was told in SC1 when the story was about politics in the Koprulu sector. Blizzard should have retained a political focus rather than the spirituality stuff that they're resorting to. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On August 09 2010 10:31 iamke55 wrote: There are still a few things that are confusing to me though. Could any of you lore guys try making sense of these statements? [1]"...the xel'naga that forged us all are returning. But do they come to save... or to destroy?" Just a confusing statement in general. If they are returning to destroy, then that makes sense with the whole burning of the galaxy, but it contradicts the peaceful nature of the Xel'Naga. If it is the Dark Voice entity who is trying to destroy everyone with the hybrids, then why does Zeratul even mention the Xel'Naga? [2]"Of course I do. This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." Completion of a cycle? Everything about this quote suggests the Zerg/Protoss hybrid is supposed to be a Xel'Naga. The stars were certainly young when the Xel'Naga became powerful. "Culmination of your history" refers to how the Protoss' purpose was to create the next generation of Xel'Naga. [3]"I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal. You would know me best as Samir Duran." Duran suggests that he is a shapeshifting Xel'Naga. Only a Xel'Naga or the Dark Voice could consider Zeratul as "young". [4]Then there is the Preserver Zamara describing the hybrids as a perversion of the natural order. This suggests that the hybrids might be a corrupted form of Xel'Naga, that the Dark Voice could wipe out the Xel'Naga by using the hybrids to block the natural cycle. [5]Finally, most confusing of all, is when the Dark Voice hints that he is a Xel'Naga. "As I was your beginning... so shall I be your end." The Xel'Naga were the beginning of the Protoss, yet this Dark Voice entity takes credit for that? I hope Blizzard's explanation for this contradiction isn't as simple as "he was lying" or "prophetic visions are not accurate". As you can see, there are reasons to believe that the evil beings who want to conquer the sector with hybrids are Xel'Naga, which contradicts the lore, and there are also many reasons to believe they are enemies of the Xel'Naga, who claim to be the Xel'Naga. If I had to take a guess at what the real story is to explain these contradictions, I'd say that the Dark Voice is an entity who wants to destroy the Xel'Naga for good by blocking their reproductive cycle. Duran is a Xel'Naga who was corrupted by the Dark Voice long ago, and is now making hybrids because he believes this is part of the great cycle of Xel'Naga reproduction, not knowing that these hybrids are actually servants of the Dark Voice who will destroy the Xel'Naga forever. It still doesn't explain the Dark Voice claims to be the creator of the Protoss though. Decided to number the points to make things easier to explain, btw most of my answer come from reading this thread....so you didn't read much of it I guess. [1] - Zeratul does not know everything, tbh this could just be a way for Blizzard to get a bit of hype going for the return of them, if Zeratul had just said something like "The Xel'Naga are coming to save us". It would have had less of an impact, because although you don't know what these Xel'Naga really are you are already aware of their purpose an hence not as excited or curious about them. [2] - I'm going to assume this is the "Dark Voice" 's quote, to which I would reply...well he is FALLEN, hence his morals/outlook on things were clearly different and perverse compared to that of the Xel'Naga, so he probably truly believes that his creation is the completion of the cycle. [3] - Probably the easiest one, hes not really implying he shapeshifts, just thats hes used different names. Most likely due to him being possessed by some other being who has also possessed others in the past, and Zeratual would only have ever met the Samir Duran, as this is the possessor's current form (Note that what is possessing Duran could be anything, even a creature we have never heard of before). [4] - I explained this sorta in the 2nd answer, but by perversion Zamara means just that, the hybrids are not the naturally end result for the Zerg and Protoss coming together.And it doesn't suggest that the hybrids could be used to kill the Xel'Naga, it just suggests that the "DarkVoice" most likely believes they can be used for something. [5] - Actually this is the easiest one, he used to be a Xel'Naga, he became a fallen probably shortly after the creation of the Protoss or during the creation of the Zerg (since he helped create the toss it couldn't be before them, and since he influenced the overmind it couldn't be after the zerg attacked). Hence he was their beginning, and hes going to kill them so the Xel'Naga can't come back Well thats what i got out of all this, could be wrong, but oh well. | ||
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Rethq
18 Posts
On August 09 2010 12:07 Shatter wrote: I really don't see how you can read the Duran wikia article, cite it and then say he is a nobody human controlled by the Dark Voice and claim it as "official lore." Duran's origin is really unclear but by what he says, he probably isn't a human but serves under the Dark Voice. His dialogue doesn't really indicate that the dark voice is speaking through him and his voice isn't altered when he speaks it in the Dark Origin mission (besides the normal infested voice effects). Duran uses "I" when speaking clearly about Duran, so it would be odd for the Dark Voice to be speaking through him. Duran might be controlled one way or another but you really lack any real evidence to say Duran is a nobody human when the facts don't clearly point to that conclusion. Read again, the body is that of a simple human, the mind is not. It is possible other powerful creatures have been subdued by the Dark Voice, but that I do not mention since I am basing this on official lore, not speculation (with the exception of the last 2 points). If Blizzard reveals that there are such creatures, and one of them is possessing Duran, then your point stands. So far they have not. On August 09 2010 04:37 nemanja1503 wrote: @Rethq Even if it is far fetched that they aren't one the same. What you stated is rather obvious and that is my main argument. If this is their big plot twist then it fails due to predictability. Who the hell wants a to hear a story to which it knows the big surprise? Also how do you explain it controlling Duran before it was released while he doesn't show any side effects? I didn't see a lot of topics about this, even if, according to you, it's easily predictable. Also, how do you explain the Dark Voice controlling the Overmind, without the Overmind showing any side effects (remember the Xel'naga did not understand its sudden change in behavior), while the Dark Voice was imprisoned? | ||
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 09 2010 11:29 -Desu- wrote: Dark Voice is Sargeras in space!!! Haha Space Sargeras! Blizzard has worked on WoW just a little too long... | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3977 Posts
But about the story, I think it's starting to show a few too many signs that we're playing Warcraft in Space: An immovable entity that is created by an older race (such as Demon Orc or Xel'Naga) leads a race by itself (like the Zerg or Undead) but needs to move out of it shell for future reasons so it corrupts a being from a different race (like Kerrigan or Arthas) to lead the race instead, and gets destroyed shortly after. The new leader (although somewhat evil) will be in a battle with the Humans and some other honourable race (or 2), but they're really the key to saving the universe from the Great Enemy known as the Burning Legi..uhh Void. But great post, OP, I didn't feel like much of the story was shown in the campaign, but after all this discussion, it's become much more interesting. I think I'll go by most of the stuff in the post. | ||
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Knightlax
United States150 Posts
"I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal." The use of the word "prodigal" is a biblical allusion to the parable of the prodigal son, where a father's rebellious son takes his inheritance and squanders it, only to come back later asking for forgiveness and a place at the servant's table. Though I don't think the relationship between the protoss and Xel'Naga will extend as far as the parable, I think its pretty clear that Duran is referring to Zeratul as a young son returning to his father/creator after a long absence. As the protoss were created or "uplifted" by the Xel'Naga, it would seem that Duran is a Xel'Naga. I'm sure someone could explain this away or it could get retconned away. In any event, I'm sticking to Duran being a Xel'Naga and Narud being a Xel'Naga, if not Duran himself. | ||
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
I understand the Starcraft universe needs to reach a larger scope than just three races fighting each other all over again, but... the Dark voice? That's terribly uninspired. Also, it really kills everything that's exciting about Zerg if there's some mysterious force making them evil. Zerg should want to conquer everything they can by nature, that's what they are. Just thinking about Zerg, Protoss and Terran fighting the Hybrids together reminds me of WC3 again, and how bad it was. ''Insert generic main bad guy here who wants to take possession of X generic mysterious object to destroy the entire world.'' | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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