EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 140
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On July 03 2024 05:53 sharkie wrote: never ever again will Austria make me believe we are good at football lol Better side lost on the night, so is football. What a bloody save that was right at the end! | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On July 03 2024 06:14 Pandemona wrote: Damn, Turkey played well, should be good game, England vs Turkey semi final!!! Austria didn't look so good at all, really. Yes Austria didnt look so good but Turkey looked even worse... | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28699 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3983 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On July 03 2024 06:14 Pandemona wrote: Damn, Turkey played well, should be good game, England vs Turkey semi final!!! Austria didn't look so good at all, really. Switzerland will be a tough one, but doable if England get their shit together. I still think the Swiss’ fear factor is largely based off their performance against Italy who were absolutely shocking. An England playing well have nothing to fear from anyone in this side of the draw, although avoiding being complacent. An England playing like we’ve seen so far absolutely do. Neither France or Portugal have been too hot either, although I’d probably favour Germany and certainly Spain on current form. It’s knockout football, you just gotta win and it could be coming home! If the Greeks could pull off 2004 basically anyone left at this stage could win it. A lucky goal and a heroic back line effort, the opponent missing a few chances when presented and that’s a better side out. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On July 03 2024 16:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Feels like the #1 team is playing the #2 team (Spain-Germany), #3 against the #4. Everyone on the right side of the bracket would have practically no shot of making the finals if they swapped with any team on the left. Agreed on #1 and #2 but France have laboured for the most part and Portugal seem to be getting worse each match after starting strongly. Switzerland have looked good, England have not but they could yet click. Etc etc I think it’s been a tournament kinda defined by most of the on paper top teams not bringing their A game, so I think the sides of the draw aren’t as impactful as they should be. But given Spain and Germany have brought a high level, France and Portugal have so much quality I’d be daft in arguing the two halves are equal | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9707 Posts
Looking at how the lower ranked teams have performed, it looks to me like low block/fast counter football is overperforming in terms of teams' skill level, especially compared to possession/slow buildup football. This is also leading to some very boring games with lots of downtime imo. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18088 Posts
It's just a shame that the two teams that are definitely firing on all cilinders are meeting in the Ro8. Germany and Spain are what makes the left half unequivocally stronger than hte right half. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On July 03 2024 16:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Does anyone think that current tactical trends are being proven ineffective for international football at the top level? Looking at how the lower ranked teams have performed, it looks to me like low block/fast counter football is overperforming in terms of teams' skill level, especially compared to possession/slow buildup football. This is also leading to some very boring games with lots of downtime imo. My humble opinion is that to apply a more possession based tactics you need the teams to be more drilled. This works in Spain because most of them already play in teams that do this by default (even rodri and fabian do despite playing outside of Spain). For the rest of the better teams playing against a very low block its hard to get concrete solutions to that are not individual moments or long shots because the routines are just not there, their clubs are playing in very different ways. Its a lot easier to get everyone aligned on D first and run fast for counters. Even germany that people are praising, they have been solid but i have not felt yet that they are firing on all cilinders or particularly effective. They had a penalty on a handball against denmark and then an open game afterwards because den shifted. They did not look that much likely to score before the penalty that Portugal or france in their respective games. More to that, when i saw denmark goal i really thought germany was done there. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8718 Posts
On July 03 2024 16:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Does anyone think that current tactical trends are being proven ineffective for international football at the top level? Looking at how the lower ranked teams have performed, it looks to me like low block/fast counter football is overperforming in terms of teams' skill level, especially compared to possession/slow buildup football. This is also leading to some very boring games with lots of downtime imo. i dont think this is exclusive to international football. i agree with kobrakay in that the structured, positional, possession based football requires a higher degree of discipline and training drilled into the players. the quality of the coaching and the time given to players to get the ideas firmly down is going to directly correlate with performance in that specific system. this is contrary to the open, free flowing football style where you often find teams suddenly being able to pull out wins the first week after a new manager comes in simply because the players are given a bit more freedom to do what they want in possession. even in club football there are really only a handful of clubs that play the "modern" way and consistently do it well. every other club are pretenders or they just straight up dont play that way (eg psg, rm) | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
France definitely has the players and the talent to play football like Spain imo | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1301 Posts
Regarding defensive/counter football at the EUROs, there's actually an article on the BBC today that touches on this very thing. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On July 03 2024 18:27 sharkie wrote: Also in International football the sitting back and counter strategy wins you tournaments... France definitely has the players and the talent to play football like Spain imo Agreed on having the players and talent, but not the manager. Deschamps is a child of the 1998 victory when we basically played catenaccio (up until the 3-0 against Brazil). Meaning he's super happy with boring 1-0s. When it works it works, for him if not for the viewer. This is why he's moved Griezmann out of position last game, losing game leadership and creation, but bolstering Kounde against Doku's dangerous incursions. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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