EPTI guess some scenarios always exist regardless of the format, but it still find it a tad boring that a 3rd place finish is something teams can willingly take without bigger complaints.
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Bacillus
Finland2122 Posts
I guess some scenarios always exist regardless of the format, but it still find it a tad boring that a 3rd place finish is something teams can willingly take without bigger complaints. | ||
Poopi
France13023 Posts
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
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gTank
Austria2669 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 21 2021 16:56 haitike wrote: 3/4 of the team passing is a joke. It makes the group phase kinda pointless. More matches vs less matches, the previous system(the last used was EURO 2012 I believe) was 16 teams and starting with the quaterfinals. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 21 2021 18:31 deacon.frost wrote: More matches vs less matches, the previous system(the last used was EURO 2012 I believe) was 16 teams and starting with the quaterfinals. More matches equal more TV revenues. Would be better with 16. Other options would be a 32 euroes. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 21 2021 18:41 Sapaio wrote: More matches equal more TV revenues. Would be better with 16. Other options would be a 32 euroes. 32 would be joke as well. There's what, 60 teams in the Europe?(44 countries) That would mean almost everybody noticable would advance. Edit> I see it more as a warm up for the teams and the better teams can prepare better starting position at the tournament with the tournament starting with the RO16. Similarily to the IIHF WC | ||
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sharkie
Austria18769 Posts
I always thought 4 6-team groups with the 1st place finishers being seeded and having to play 1 less game would be an interesting idea. 16 team Euros sucked tbh. Europe has too many good teams to only include 16 of them. 24 is a good number but the current format sucks | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
Like for example, if you win group C or E, you will face a 3rd place team in the ro16 and 2nd place team in the ro8. While if you win group A or D, you will face a 2nd place team in the ro16 and (likely) another group winner in the ro8. This could be more balanced. Also there is a chance that two teams from group A or two from group D meet again in the ro8, which is strange and again seems unecessary. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 21 2021 19:56 Mafe wrote: Yeah hard to come up with a good format for 24 teams. My main gripe with the current system is actually not the groupstage, but the unfair knockout stage seeding which clearly favor some positions in some groups over the same position in other groups. Like for example, if you win group C or E, you will face a 3rd place team in the ro16 and 2nd place team in the ro8. While if you win group A or D, you will face a 2nd place team in the ro16 and (likely) another group winner in the ro8. This could be more balanced. Also there is a chance that two teams from group A or two from group D meet again in the ro8, which is strange and again seems unecessary. Four 6-team groups, top 4 teams advance from each group. First plays fourth, 2nd plays 3rd. Basically it's the system of the hockey WC with more teams  (IIHF WC has 16 teams, 2 groups with 8 teams, top4 of each group advances to the RO8 which is made with the key I just wrote) | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7437 Posts
On June 21 2021 20:39 deacon.frost wrote: Four 6-team groups, top 4 teams advance from each group. First plays fourth, 2nd plays 3rd. Basically it's the system of the hockey WC with more teams (IIHF WC has 16 teams, 2 groups with 8 teams, top4 of each group advances to the RO8 which is made with the key I just wrote)But I think thats almost double the matches in the same time frame (didn't do math, just a guesstimate) | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 21 2021 20:57 Harris1st wrote: But I think thats almost double the matches in the same time frame (didn't do math, just a guesstimate) I am not doing the math either, just moved my back and all I can think about is drugs I need drugs, drugs  Also considering the dark outside the world is gonna end. aaaanyway, it's the only reasonable system I can think of. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 21 2021 20:57 Harris1st wrote: But I think thats almost double the matches in the same time frame (didn't do math, just a guesstimate) Its 2 more games per team. So 51->75 games. So no, won't happen. And iirc 4x6, Winner advances to RO8, 2nd+3rd play out the remaining spots was also refused as it is still too many games in total and per team and also has the downside of having 3 eliminated teams in each group who could "manipulate" the last 2 playdays in each group. And then there was the 3x8 option, either only winners or 1st+2nd advance discussion, but that has the issue of the teams playing each other last having an information advantage and again match fixing. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On June 21 2021 20:57 Harris1st wrote: But I think thats almost double the matches in the same time frame (didn't do math, just a guesstimate) Did a quickmatch, current format produces 51 game per tournament. Proposed format with 4 groups 6 teams each (group winner gets a high seed and advances to the quaterfinals, 2nd/3rd place finisher moves to ro16 to play each other) results 71 game per tournament, if you cut away 3rd place finishers - 4 games less making it 67 But if you want 1-4 places to advance in a 4 group/6 teams format - it will rise the number of total games to 75 Correct me if i'm wrong with calculations | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
Edit> This obviously means, you lose the grand finale, which is a marketing loss | ||
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sharkie
Austria18769 Posts
They spent probably millions of euros thinking about the tournament format and came up with this crap... | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 21 2021 22:02 sharkie wrote: The thing is we are just throwing out ideas in a few seconds and they all sounded better than what UEFA came up with. Sure they need all refining but thats not our job. They spent probably millions of euros thinking about the tournament format and came up with this crap... So far I have not seen any suggestion besides the RO3 idea, that wasn't discussed when the 24 team expansion was planned. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 21 2021 22:12 RKC wrote: Another unfair part is the scheduling of matches. Teams facing top teams in their last game have an advantage (in general), like Wales and Finland. But that's something hard to fix. The only solution is assigning seeds - top two seeds meet in the last round of matches. All groups were seeded... And it is 1v4 and 2v3 in all groups for the last playday... https://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-european-championship/story/3994121/ukraine-shock-euro-2020-draw-seeds-ahead-of-france-and-portugal | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Groupstage home and away matches will be played across Europe, play-off could be played in a single country/neutral fields | ||
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