EPT2019 - 2020 Football Thread - Page 219
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 14 2020 02:23 sharkie wrote: Pretty sure it was the Arsenal - ManUtd rivalry that made the PL explode with popularity... Not ManUtd's dominance... Arsenal - United rivalry lasted a pithy 4 maybe 5 if you really stretch it years. It is true that contributed but United is very much the largest club in popularity by a significant margin. Arsenal is actually second but a distant second. Its not even close. And no Pande no one outside Europe gave a shit about Football in general before the late 90s there just wasnt enough access. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8857 Posts
holy moly the games are congested, and obviously cup matches arent even included. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
As a Barca fan and Lewy's fan I won't be mad about the result, I think.. so I just want to see some nice game. | ||
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On August 14 2020 12:12 Rebs wrote: Arsenal - United rivalry lasted a pithy 4 maybe 5 if you really stretch it years. It is true that contributed but United is very much the largest club in popularity by a significant margin. Arsenal is actually second but a distant second. Its not even close. And no Pande no one outside Europe gave a shit about Football in general before the late 90s there just wasnt enough access. Is it some kind of sarcasm or are you saying Central and South America do not exist? | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
On August 14 2020 12:12 Rebs wrote: Arsenal - United rivalry lasted a pithy 4 maybe 5 if you really stretch it years. It is true that contributed but United is very much the largest club in popularity by a significant margin. Arsenal is actually second but a distant second. Its not even close. And no Pande no one outside Europe gave a shit about Football in general before the late 90s there just wasnt enough access. I’m assuming you mean football’s leagues weren’t widely watched outside their domestic markets, which yeah is broadly true. I’d argue this was a big part of Serie A’s popularity in the UK at this time, it was unfamiliar enough to be exotic. Also helped that Gazza went over and that Serie A was extremely competitive at this time too with the affectionately named ‘Seven Sisters’ The Premier League was also packaged very slickly for the time, doing things that seem really obvious now (having the score, teams and the match time always present wasn’t universally adopted). Plus English fan culture and good stadium attendances providing a good atmosphere. Had a lot of things going for it. 4-5 years is a pretty decent stint for a rivalry. That aside we had Mourinho thrown into the mix and threatening to leave the old guard behind, and subsequently Benitez. In that period 4 separate English clubs made the final of the CL. Then you’ve got the rise of the ‘noisy neighbours’ in City, ‘AGUERRRROOO’ and all that, Leicester’s miracle season and now a pretty spicy duel between Liverpool and City. Man United under Fergie did have the best of it, but it wasn’t one-way traffic by any means. United’s marketing was way ahead of its time but that aside the league being as consistently competitive and varied has definitely helped the Premier League as an overall product get to where it is too. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
On August 14 2020 19:27 Ansibled wrote: Arsenal and Chelsea really do sign a lot of each others players. Figo moving to Real it ain’t. Think Arsenal have got a good deal here, Willian’s been a good servant for Chelsea over the years, although I understand their reluctance to give a player of that age an extra 3 years too or whatever it was. Pumped for tonight’s game, although I do fear for Barca. My theory with this format was they only need to draw their reserves for a couple of really good performances and they’ve got a shot, but they haven’t really come out firing on all cylinders yet. Not that they were absolutely terrible against Napoli, more that Bayern are looking ominously good at present. My gut feeling is it’s more likely Bayern batter them, but if it’s a tight game one moment of individual brilliance might be enough. Shame I can’t think of any Barca players capable of individual magic to drag Barca through :p | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
I really doubt it's going to be an easy win for Bayern. Just like at the world cup and like the 2 previous quarters, single game elimination usually brings tight games where both teams don't want to take too much risk. I think Bayern is favorite, but they're playing against Messi and you don't want to be down against this aging Barça that likes to counter. 2-1, either way, would be my bet. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 14 2020 16:07 120720 wrote: Is it some kind of sarcasm or are you saying Central and South America do not exist? Sorry I should have said "European" football It was my understanding that the regions you mentioned have their own ecosystem that values their domestic and regional football well above European even to date. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 14 2020 20:23 Wombat_NI wrote: I’m assuming you mean football’s leagues weren’t widely watched outside their domestic markets, which yeah is broadly true. I’d argue this was a big part of Serie A’s popularity in the UK at this time, it was unfamiliar enough to be exotic. Also helped that Gazza went over and that Serie A was extremely competitive at this time too with the affectionately named ‘Seven Sisters’ The Premier League was also packaged very slickly for the time, doing things that seem really obvious now (having the score, teams and the match time always present wasn’t universally adopted). Plus English fan culture and good stadium attendances providing a good atmosphere. Had a lot of things going for it. 4-5 years is a pretty decent stint for a rivalry. That aside we had Mourinho thrown into the mix and threatening to leave the old guard behind, and subsequently Benitez. In that period 4 separate English clubs made the final of the CL. Then you’ve got the rise of the ‘noisy neighbours’ in City, ‘AGUERRRROOO’ and all that, Leicester’s miracle season and now a pretty spicy duel between Liverpool and City. Man United under Fergie did have the best of it, but it wasn’t one-way traffic by any means. United’s marketing was way ahead of its time but that aside the league being as consistently competitive and varied has definitely helped the Premier League as an overall product get to where it is too. I didnt suggest domestic markets. I said Europe And all of these are all later developments that reinforced the league as number 1. Not what brought people to it. Its not a novelty thing. It was the only thing. All of Western Europe has less people in it then half of North India or Western China and a generation of them tuned in to watch United. And then later Arsenal and Chelsea as it grew and im sure City and Spurs even have fans to. But the big wave was for sure Uniteds streak. There is a reason they have been dogshit for nearly a decade and still the biggest club internationally and still growing. Because the generational shift is transferring to their kids now. If I grew up liking United i will make my kids like them. Liverpool surprisingly despite their limited success during that period also have a huge following which is probably the only relevant counterpoint to my argument. Cant explain that one other than some sort of outlier. Maybe its because they were still hype in the late 90s having won so much in the 80's. I dono. Even so at each stage of these periods it was the dominant team that small period garnered further fans and interests. To football. By the mid 2000s, The PL had already cemented itself in these regions. As for the product. The product you get in Europe is not what is imported to the world. The only thing the PL sends is the game. The production around it is all regional. The pundits are regional or hired by local studios and so on. I mean I grew up listening to analysis on PL games listening to this guy.. Nice dude. But wouldnt let him anywhere near the set of MOTD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebby_Singh Bottom line. Why the PL got ahead was simple. 1) English 2) First mover 3) United Even if United had won for 10 years straight it would still be number one. Because as much as competition drives people its more the illusion of competition more than anything else. 5 Unique winners in 20 years is not a super competitive league. Most years title races are decided in Feb-March and then just run on hype and are rarely more than a 2 horse race. And every once in a while you get a season that goes down to the wire and people go. "Aha" so competitive. The only thing the smaller teams do is play spoiler. Thats about it. in that respect it certainly is competitive. But if it comes having the ability to actually win the league. Its never been 2 or 3 teams at a time. Different faces sure. But that doesnt mean much with all the money coming in. | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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120720
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On August 15 2020 03:15 Pandemona wrote: Cuz Chelsea scored past them with a very poor front line and had a lot of chances oh and Neuer is pretty poor right now. Oh and Barca only now how to attack as well. Who in the Bayern back 4 stops Messi Suarez and Greasyman? Sule? Davies? Boateng? Kimmich is literally the only one who is world class defensively, the rest are not they are just good, Davies will get ripped by Messi and will count on his speed to bail himself out like he does. Looking at Bundesliga alone you know Bayern concede goals because they play their defensive line so far up the pitch. Since Bayern is defending so high, according to you, and since they have the second best defence of the Bundesliga, if we go by goals conceded. Should we assume that the Bundesliga is awful at scoring? I would hint at "the best defence is offence". Over the past 15 years I don't think I have ever heard of Barca having a solid defence, I only saw them in Champion's league, but I'm under the impression they are, as well, "best defence is offence", or in their case "can't take goals if you have the ball". Chelsea scored only once. | ||
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