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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On August 02 2021 23:06 Excludos wrote: ![[image loading]](https://preview.redd.it/i9mbw0c9axe71.jpg?width=960&height=919&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8e9f8ee9b4e5ff64d689c3231f3cad29b3469616) Nice picture showing just how much of Verstappen's car was missing (Thanks for the white circle. Would never have spotted it otherwise) Like how did he even finish in the points with that much aero bodywork missing? | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On August 03 2021 02:29 zeo wrote: Like how did he even finish in the points with that much aero bodywork missing? Yeah, just wild. I saw a picture of Ricciardo's car but from a distance and he had chunks of the floor hanging off his car too after he got hit, though not as bad as Verstappen apparently. The fact both of them continued to race and put up a fight with that much damage is impressive. Horner said Verstappen's car was running less downforce than the Haas cars most of the race given all the damage. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On August 02 2021 20:53 Excludos wrote: There's no "system". Driver of the day is simply people voting on who they think did the best drive. All it tells you is how many people disagree with your statement about it being a "terrible drive" Rarely. It's happened a couple of times, and only with Lewis or Verstappen, because those two are, in fact, ridiculously good drivers. Yes, of course their cars are faster too, but you've never seen Bottas charging through the field. I love how you've taken absolutely nothing into account about the entire race when saying Hamilton "losing to a Renault": Nothing about tires, how he started literally last, how the track layout makes it difficult to pass, or how Alonso, a 2 time world champion, did an absolutely amazing hero drive to keep Lewis from passing him for quite a number of laps, which was just about exactly enough to stop him from getting Vettel and Ocon (Which would have been free passes, since both had fought hard the entire race and their tires were shot). You can't only look at the scores when deciding who drove well, that would just be ridiculous. I guess in your mind Norris drove terribly as well because he got punted off in the first corner and scored zero points? Not sure what Norris has to do with any of this, obviously he didn't race at all. But how often does it happen that a Merc or RB does not pass all the F1.5 cars in a race? A start from the back of the grid is just a recipe for driver of the day material for them. Lewis didn't do anything special and he should've just won the race considering it was just F1.5 cars. Being at the back of the grid at the start of the race is no excuse for that. He didn't drive a great race, it was acceptable, but anyone in his car would've done the same. And yea, driver of the day is a popularity contest, same shit that Hamilton will never get it when he dominates a race, it's not about who's best, it's just who "the people" feel had the best race and that's usually not the best driver in the field (the guy starting from pole and easily winning the race). | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4148 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On August 03 2021 03:13 Kaolla wrote: Not sure what Norris has to do with any of this, obviously he didn't race at all. But how often does it happen that a Merc or RB does not pass all the F1.5 cars in a race? A start from the back of the grid is just a recipe for driver of the day material for them. Literally, all the time. Some tracks are easier to pass on than other, which makes it easier for the faster cars to make it through the pack. Hungaroring is not one of those tracks. Remember when Hamilton didn't just charge through the entire field in Monaco this year? Tracks and conditions are not the same, and need to be taken into account All your conclusions are based on an extreme surface level of deduction. That's why I brought Norris in, because he got crashed out of the points. You also said Max did a "Terrible drive", despite the fact that he didn't have half his car. How is Norris any different than Max in this case? Both finished far down, because both got crashed out. One just stayed in the race which he couldn't hope to properly compete in, while the other DNFed. You did the same with Lewis: "He didn't get first so he sucked", despite the fact that he passed almost every single driver on the grid, on a track that is extremely hard to pass on. He couldn't have done better without a literal teleportation device, and at this point I honestly don't know what more you even want. But hey, you also claimed Ocon was a massive asshole because of some racing incidents, despite never having done anything assholish off track. So at this point, I'm willing to accept that you just want to believe whatever you want, and make up reasons for those beliefs after the fact | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 03 2021 02:29 zeo wrote: Like how did he even finish in the points with that much aero bodywork missing? The only car I remember finishing the race in the points with more damage is Alonso in Baku 2018 A shitbox, with 3 punctures, bodywork shredded, and he drags it into the points and ahead of his teammate. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On August 03 2021 08:46 Amui wrote: The only car I remember finishing the race in the points with more damage is Alonso in Baku 2018 A shitbox, with 3 punctures, bodywork shredded, and he drags it into the points and ahead of his teammate. It baffles me how this is possible, surely a semi-wrecked good car should still be far inferior to a backmarker’s that’s in good condition? Given how important the car is, no matter the chops of the driver. Forgive my noob/casual questions! | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 03 2021 09:04 WombaT wrote: It baffles me how this is possible, surely a semi-wrecked good car should still be far inferior to a backmarker’s that’s in good condition? Given how important the car is, no matter the chops of the driver. Forgive my noob/casual questions! The area that is missing on Max's car is primarily responsible for management of the front tire wake, it doesn't produce that much downforce by itself. Missing it would cause lower downforce from the rear right of the car as the diffuser and floor lose some performance, and definitely upsets the balance of the car. Alonso had slightly less bargeboard damage, but far more floor and diffuser damage as he drove almost 2/3 of Baku on the floor, with the punctures shredding his floor for most of it. Most drivers would have parked it after an incident like that before even getting it to the pit lane. The biggest differences between a backmarker and a championship contending car are downforce efficiency and stability. For the first, it means they can either be faster with the same downforce, or else the same speed but corner faster(carry more speed) and preserve tires better. The second is what allows drivers to extract the most out of the car as they can push closer to the limit of the car, without going over as that costs time and confidence. Epitome of the second I believe was last year's Merc. The quali laps were entirely drama free, with a car that literally never needed to be corrected. For Max that means that he had a car that was faster in a straight line, but was compromised in the corners, and Hungary is notoriously hard track to overtake on anyways. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On August 04 2021 21:19 Aristodemus wrote: Max and Lewis both did a great job this weekend, as they have all year. Not sure how anyone can think differently personally. Lewis didn't pit for slicks, and lined up on the grid alone. As a result he put himself into a position where he did not win the race, and only made it as far as he did due to an extreme car pace differential. Max drove as well as he could given the circumstances. Two very different races, and only one which was what I'd consider a "great job" | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On August 05 2021 00:52 Lmui wrote: Lewis didn't pit for slicks, and lined up on the grid alone. Team decision not to pit him, and a very difficult one at that. Since he's first, he can't predict what everyone else would do, and if he had ended up pitting while no one else did, he'd be at the back as well. Definitively not on Lewis that one. His team would have had to make the call | ||
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LennX
4572 Posts
THE MAN. THE MYTH. THE LORD! Mahaveer is back lmao | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On August 05 2021 05:30 Excludos wrote: Team decision not to pit him, and a very difficult one at that. Since he's first, he can't predict what everyone else would do, and if he had ended up pitting while no one else did, he'd be at the back as well. Definitively not on Lewis that one. His team would have had to make the call I guess so, obviously the wrong choice in hindsight. If he didn't have to make up 10+ seconds in the initial phase, he would've easily been in front. On August 06 2021 01:33 LennX wrote: https://formulascout.com/mahaveer-raghunathan-conducts-surprise-f1-test-with-alfa-romeo/82207 THE MAN. THE MYTH. THE LORD! Mahaveer is back lmao Lol. If he has enough money for Alfa to sign him I'd laugh. He'd be excluded by 107% every race, there's no way he's setting a competitive time. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Aston Martin confirms F1 appeal on Vettel's Hungarian GP disqualification | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On August 06 2021 01:33 LennX wrote: https://formulascout.com/mahaveer-raghunathan-conducts-surprise-f1-test-with-alfa-romeo/82207 THE MAN. THE MYTH. THE LORD! Mahaveer is back lmao Oh. My. God. We're in for a ride boys | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
Crisis averted. He needs a superlicense to get a drive and he's nowhere close. He paid for the test of a 2019 alfa, presumably out of his own pocket/family's pocket. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On August 06 2021 06:45 Lmui wrote: Oh. Crisis averted. He needs a superlicense to get a drive and he's nowhere close. He paid for the test of a 2019 alfa, presumably out of his own pocket/family's pocket. Yes, this sounds to be the case. Alfa was already there testing that 2019 car with Theo Pourchaire, who's actually good, so likely Mahaveer just made a deal to get a drive since they were there anyway. Theo Pourchaire was born in 2003. Now I feel old. | ||
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LennX
4572 Posts
He is still the only driver who crashed out while complaining that he "had too much grip" | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On August 06 2021 12:23 LennX wrote: Mahaveer mentioned in his post testing interview that he is looking to get back into F2. If that works out for superlicense points, maybe he will splash to buy a F1 team? He is still the only driver who crashed out while complaining that he "had too much grip" To be fair, I do this all the time in Trackmania! I expect to slide, and I just grip into the wall instead! Trackmania and Formula 1 is roughly the same, right? | ||
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