On August 02 2021 00:27 Ben... wrote: Super happy for Ocon. He's been through a lot the last few years and was one of the people F1's media spent a whole season targeting and implying he wasn't good enough to still be in F1.
If only Gasly or Perez was on the podium instead of Hamilton, we could have had another redemption arc podium of fired drivers.
Gutted for Vettel though, if it wasn't for that bad pitstop it probably would have been a win for him.
Gutted for Verstappen, he was probably on for a race win here, but Merc thought it was a better idea to just eliminate him. Yea, not too serious here, obv Bottas didn't do it on purpose, but it's fucking ridiculous how much luck Lewis has... If I were Horner, I'd definitely give Perez the order to try and crash into Hamilton, but yea, since he's usually too slow, that wouldn't even help.
Either way, this was a fucking terrible drive from Hamilton and from Max for that matter, at least the latter had the excuse of having a car that didn't work too well.
Also, Ocon is a piece of shit, really sad he won this one, last guy I wanted to win a GP from any of the drivers.
On August 02 2021 00:37 Kaolla wrote: Also, Ocon is a piece of shit, really sad he won this one, last guy I wanted to win a GP from any of the drivers.
..what? Are you mixing him up with someone else? I have never heard anything about Ocon other than that he is a great guy
On August 02 2021 00:37 Kaolla wrote: Either way, this was a fucking terrible drive from Hamilton and from Max for that matter, at least the latter had the excuse of having a car that didn't work too well..
huh? How is going from p14 to p3 with a higher number of stops a terrible drive? If anything it was a terrible mistake from Mercs to not pit him on formation lap prior to most awkward standing start i've ever seen.
On August 02 2021 00:37 Kaolla wrote: Either way, this was a fucking terrible drive from Hamilton and from Max for that matter, at least the latter had the excuse of having a car that didn't work too well.
Feel bad for Bottas, the guy is known to have terrible luck, has to play 2nd fiddle to Hamilton his entire Mercedes career, and then he goes and does this. He might get swapped out before the end of the season at this rate.
That restart with just Hamilton on the grid was hilarious.
Eventful race all in all, Fernando really deserved that DOTD, what a defense!
On August 02 2021 02:52 Laurens wrote: Feel bad for Bottas, the guy is known to have terrible luck, has to play 2nd fiddle to Hamilton his entire Mercedes career, and then he goes and does this. He might get swapped out before the end of the season at this rate.
That restart with just Hamilton on the grid was hilarious.
Eventful race all in all, Fernando really deserved that DOTD, what a defense!
Bottas does indeed have terrible luck, but he's also not a good enough driver to put himself into positions to make use of any potential lucky situations that could occur in the first place. Bottas might have had talent in the beginning, but for as long as I've watched F1, he's been a terrible driver, only being able to coast behind Hamilton by virtue of having the best car on the grid.
Today was the final nail in the coffin. That was some F1 2021 online open lobby levels of amateur shit. He wasn't even remotely close to making that corner, and just slammed into half the pack because of it. I'd rather see him retire than even continue in a mid level team at this point
They just confirmed it. Vettel's been disqualified. Hamilton is up to 2nd and Sainz up to 3rd. This causes Hamilton to gain two points on Verstappen for the Driver's Championship.
It's unfortunate but I guess it is what it is. Though I do think with all these red flags and the standing starts and whatnot, they should be examining what impact it all has on fuel. It's been a long time since we've seen drivers running out of fuel like that.
Damn that is awkward. Guy already went out to celebrate with his trophy and champagne. Does he need to send Hamilton or Sainz that trophy now ? not idea if they are different based in position.
That rule is so weird.Imagine is the last race of the year.Im winning championship and i waste some fuel doing some spins.Can i get DQ if im missing that fuel ? LOL
On August 02 2021 05:40 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: That rule is so weird.Imagine is the last race of the year.Im winning championship and i waste some fuel doing some spins.Can i get DQ if im missing that fuel ? LOL
Yepp! But the drivers do know how much fuel they have left, so you'd know if you had enough for a donut or two. The rule is reasonable, because the fuel can be tampered with, and they need to have enough left to test with. What's stupid is why they didn't park the car earlier knowing they were out of fuel. I'd park it on the first corner after the start-finish straight if I knew I was going to run out.
Very sad for Vettel. That was completely unnecessary, and he deserved that podium
edit: Ok, so Vettel is back in P2 temporarily. I don't see what they're going to appeal with tho. The rules are quite clear on this, no matter how much one dislikes it
From what I've seen, apparently Aston thinks there may be more than a litre of fuel in total throughout the whole engine (in the fuel lines, etc.) and that they can get it out to provide a 1L sample. By doing this appeal notice, they at least leave the door open should that actually be the case. It does seem kinda like grasping at straws but I guess if it might be able to get them their podium back then it's worth trying. Worst comes to worst, they end up with the result they already were at so it ultimately doesn't hurt them to try.
On August 02 2021 00:37 Kaolla wrote: Also, Ocon is a piece of shit, really sad he won this one, last guy I wanted to win a GP from any of the drivers.
..what? Are you mixing him up with someone else? I have never heard anything about Ocon other than that he is a great guy
Maybe you should look back at the season he had with Perez as teammate over at Force India... Or that time he thought, hey let's take out the race leader while unlapping myself... Great guy indeed.
Since I don't really feel like quoting your other post, driver of the day doesn't mean shit either, remember when Max crashed out at the start of the race and was still voted driver of the day? Hamilton had a car that was seconds a lap faster than the guys that finished ahead of him (well by now it's the guy really, since Vettel got disqualified). Not winning the race isn't all that great then.
On August 02 2021 12:54 Kaolla wrote: Or that time he thought, hey let's take out the race leader while unlapping myself...
If an on track incident makes you an asshole, there's zero non-assholes left in F1. He was faster than Verstappen, and wanted to unlap himself. He just chose the wrong moment to do it, expecting Verstappen to let him through as it benefits neither of them to fight for it. Misjudging a situation doesn't make you an asshole.
On August 02 2021 12:54 Kaolla wrote: Maybe you should look back at the season he had with Perez as teammate over at Force India...
I watched it live. Did not see anything that would constitute him being an asshole. Telling me to "Go rewatch an entire season of F1 to understand" is not a great argument.
On August 02 2021 12:54 Kaolla wrote: Since I don't really feel like quoting your other post, driver of the day doesn't mean shit either, remember when Max crashed out at the start of the race and was still voted driver of the day? Hamilton had a car that was seconds a lap faster than the guys that finished ahead of him (well by now it's the guy really, since Vettel got disqualified). Not winning the race isn't all that great then.
He was voted driver of the day because of what he achieved despite crashing, not because of it. Hamilton started dead last by quite the margin, and fought his way into P3 (potentially P2) on pace alone, and that's somehow "a terrible drive" from you. What exactly did you expect from him? To teleport himself to the front because he has a faster car?
What exactly does one need to do to have a good drive? Lap the entire field twice?
On August 02 2021 12:54 Kaolla wrote: Or that time he thought, hey let's take out the race leader while unlapping myself...
If an on track incident makes you an asshole, there's zero non-assholes left in F1. He was faster than Verstappen, and wanted to unlap himself. He just chose the wrong moment to do it, expecting Verstappen to let him through as it benefits neither of them to fight for it. Misjudging a situation doesn't make you an asshole.
It does when you're making a mistake like that and pretend nothing's your fault.
On August 02 2021 12:54 Kaolla wrote: Maybe you should look back at the season he had with Perez as teammate over at Force India...
I watched it live. Did not see anything that would constitute him being an asshole. Telling me to "Go rewatch an entire season of F1 to understand" is not a great argument.
He took out Perez in 2 races for being the selfish little prick that he is, I don't really appreciate that. You don't have to rewatch the entire season, but this should be common knowledge?
On August 02 2021 12:54 Kaolla wrote: Since I don't really feel like quoting your other post, driver of the day doesn't mean shit either, remember when Max crashed out at the start of the race and was still voted driver of the day? Hamilton had a car that was seconds a lap faster than the guys that finished ahead of him (well by now it's the guy really, since Vettel got disqualified). Not winning the race isn't all that great then.
He was voted driver of the day because of what he achieved despite crashing, not because of it. Hamilton started dead last by quite the margin, and fought his way into P3 (potentially P2) on pace alone, and that's somehow "a terrible drive" from you. What exactly did you expect from him? To teleport himself to the front because he has a faster car?
What exactly does one need to do to have a good drive? Lap the entire field twice?
He didn't drive a good race up until then either, it was just purely messing with the driver of the day system and it also changed from that point on. The system is flawed and this is just another one of those indicators. How often have we seen a Merc or Red Bull still end up 1st/2nd/3rd despite starting at the back of the field? Pretty damn often, usually those cars are the only cars that can stop them from progressing any further. Losing to a Renault (or Alpine if you like it) is just not a good result (and lets not forget he didnt pass Vettel either, despite Vettel being disqualified).
On August 02 2021 00:37 Kaolla wrote: Also, Ocon is a piece of shit, really sad he won this one, last guy I wanted to win a GP from any of the drivers.
..what? Are you mixing him up with someone else? I have never heard anything about Ocon other than that he is a great guy
Maybe you should look back at the season he had with Perez as teammate over at Force India... Or that time he thought, hey let's take out the race leader while unlapping myself... Great guy indeed.
Since I don't really feel like quoting your other post, driver of the day doesn't mean shit either, remember when Max crashed out at the start of the race and was still voted driver of the day? Hamilton had a car that was seconds a lap faster than the guys that finished ahead of him (well by now it's the guy really, since Vettel got disqualified). Not winning the race isn't all that great then.
Horrible take , he was racing hard for his seat in F1 vs Perez and Perez was playing hard as well running him into the wall , is Charles an asshole for running into Seb in Austria ? is Seb an asshole for not complying with multi 21 vs Webber (VERY non standard move in a team) or running on purpose into Lewis at Baku on a restart ?! or running into Max back in Silverstone after getting passed or running Charles off the road in Brazil ? I think most ppl will say Vettel is a good guy , but he had is "asshole" moments , they all have.
When they are in the car they have a VERY high level of adrenaline and some decisions are not made the same way you do behind your keyboard.
You can see how many folks on the grid were happy for him and congratulated him , that's all you need to know really.
On August 02 2021 17:06 Kaolla wrote: He didn't drive a good race up until then either, it was just purely messing with the driver of the day system and it also changed from that point on. The system is flawed and this is just another one of those indicators.
There's no "system". Driver of the day is simply people voting on who they think did the best drive. All it tells you is how many people disagree with your statement about it being a "terrible drive"
On August 02 2021 17:06 Kaolla wrote: How often have we seen a Merc or Red Bull still end up 1st/2nd/3rd despite starting at the back of the field? Pretty damn often, usually those cars are the only cars that can stop them from progressing any further. Losing to a Renault (or Alpine if you like it) is just not a good result (and lets not forget he didnt pass Vettel either, despite Vettel being disqualified).
Rarely. It's happened a couple of times, and only with Lewis or Verstappen, because those two are, in fact, ridiculously good drivers. Yes, of course their cars are faster too, but you've never seen Bottas charging through the field.
I love how you've taken absolutely nothing into account about the entire race when saying Hamilton "losing to a Renault": Nothing about tires, how he started literally last, how the track layout makes it difficult to pass, or how Alonso, a 2 time world champion, did an absolutely amazing hero drive to keep Lewis from passing him for quite a number of laps, which was just about exactly enough to stop him from getting Vettel and Ocon (Which would have been free passes, since both had fought hard the entire race and their tires were shot).
You can't only look at the scores when deciding who drove well, that would just be ridiculous. I guess in your mind Norris drove terribly as well because he got punted off in the first corner and scored zero points?
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