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On November 21 2022 18:00 Laurens wrote:
If Piastri is the prodigy that everyone claims, he could be the next Verstappen. Somewhat doubtful cause his competition in F2 and F3 wasn't the best and he did have the best team.
Verstappen is a once in a lifetime talent, I doubt anyone will be anywhere near his level for years to come. Just like it took ages for Hamilton to find his match.
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On November 21 2022 19:38 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2022 18:00 Laurens wrote:
If Piastri is the prodigy that everyone claims, he could be the next Verstappen. Somewhat doubtful cause his competition in F2 and F3 wasn't the best and he did have the best team. Verstappen is a once in a lifetime talent, I doubt anyone will be anywhere near his level for years to come. Just like it took ages for Hamilton to find his match.
I'd argue Hamilton found his match in Vettel, then he got a car that was 1 tier above the rest and eventually found his match again in Rosberg who had the same car, and then Verstappen when RB narrowed the gap.
We'll see if Verstappen ever gets a teammate that manages to challenge him.
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Mattia Binotto officially resigned from Ferrari. I can't help but feel he's scapegoated, where the fault really comes from the strategy team and corporate culture.
As a technical lead, he produced multiple cars that came extremely close to winning championships. Just a few things going differently is all it would have taken.
I really don't have high hopes for Ferrari in the future, as reports say that Binotto still had the faith of the engineers, but not management, and the strategy team might as well be replaced with a dartboard and some monkeys.
Supposedly there are some engineers who are faithful to him leaving as well, which is undoubtedly going to cost Ferrari dearly in the years to come. Losing what could be close to a hundred years of experience is a huge hit.
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Binotto's biggest mistake was his complete inability to take responsibility for his own mistakes, the mistakes of his team, or place blame where it needed to lie. Everything that came out of his mouth was complete bullox. "No, we did nothing wrong. There was no way we could have won this race", after completely botching the strategy in the most ridiculous way possible.
Binotto was/is a good technical lead, he made a decent car, but he was an awful Team Principal.
I am curious who's going to take over now tho. Ferrari is going through their TPs really quickly atm. The rumors of Ross Brawn are interesting to entertain, but highly unlikely for a number of reasons, least of which is that he literally wrote the technical regulations the teams are currently racing under. It would be a massive conflict of interest to suddenly have him turn around and run one of the teams under the rules he himself wrote
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If I were Leclerc or Sainz, I'd be keeping an eye on other race seats right now. With this much upheaval, it doesn't seem likely that Ferrari is going continuing their forward push for the next couple years. Yesterday I read an article about the leadership changes at Ferrari the last couple years and it does not inspire a lot of confidence that they will continue to be any good. The new CEO of Ferrari apparently has at times micromanaged and meddled with operations in the team this year, including strategy, when he has literally no background in motorsports before being hired to Ferrari. John Elkann, the current president of Ferrari, is partially in that position because of nepotism and not because of his own abilities.
It's already felt the last few races that Leclerc has seemed checked out from caring at all and seemed openly frustrated. That may change with a new season but I can't see him wanting to stick around past his current contract if the team keeps shooting itself in the foot. He's not going to be winning a championship with Ferrari, just like Vettel and Alonso weren't.
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On November 30 2022 00:27 Ben... wrote:If I were Leclerc or Sainz, I'd be keeping an eye on other race seats right now. With this much upheaval, it doesn't seem likely that Ferrari is going continuing their forward push for the next couple years. Yesterday I read an article about the leadership changes at Ferrari the last couple years and it does not inspire a lot of confidence that they will continue to be any good. The new CEO of Ferrari apparently has at times micromanaged and meddled with operations in the team this year, including strategy, when he has literally no background in motorsports before being hired to Ferrari. John Elkann, the current president of Ferrari, is partially in that position because of nepotism and not because of his own abilities. It's already felt the last few races that Leclerc has seemed checked out from caring at all and seemed openly frustrated. That may change with a new season but I can't see him wanting to stick around past his current contract if the team keeps shooting itself in the foot. He's not going to be winning a championship with Ferrari, just like Vettel and Alonso weren't.
The issue with this is: Just where is he suppose to go? Mercedes currently has no less than 2 WDC capable drivers on their team. RB has one, and very unlikely to take on board Leclerc to create more in-team fighting between their two drivers.. and that's it. There are no other team that is even remotely close to having a WDC challenging car.
Norris has the same issue in my opinion. He's not in a WDC team despite being a WDC capable driver, but there just isn't anywhere else for him to go. Luckily for him, it seems like he adores McLaren at least. Leclerc does not seem to be liking his time with Ferrari (As is tradition. Absolutely no one goes to Ferrari and enjoys their time there, which tells you a lot about how dysfunctional the team really is)
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Yeah, that's the big issue. I imagine Leclerc, like a lot of the other upper tier of drivers, will be watching closely for what Hamilton does. Hamilton's seat once he leaves is the best chance anyone has of winning a championship. Verstappen won't be leaving his seat any time soon, and neither will Russell.
I suppose the other option for Leclerc is to accept that it's not going to happen at Ferrari and consider a move to a slightly lower tier team as a project where he still won't challenging for championships immediately but at least will not be miserable. Though given what's happened at of the teams that bragged several years ago about long term projects, there's probably not a ton of faith that any of those types of projects would work (Alpine, McLaren, Racing Point/Aston. All of them talked big game about joining the top tier but are largely in the same place they were a couple years ago still). But yeah, there's not a lot of options for Leclerc right now.
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I wonder whose gonna replace checo so that redbull can go for the 1 2 in the wdc
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On December 02 2022 11:11 CorsairHero wrote:
I wonder whose gonna replace checo so that redbull can go for the 1 2 in the wdc
De Vries would be my candidate. If he beats Tsunoda, which I think he can, I think he gets the seat. Yuki hasn't really impressed me over the last couple years.
Spicy pick would be Ricciardo, but unless the sim says he's faster than Perez, he's also starting to become one of the senior drivers.
I don't think many seats are at risk for 2023. Mostly just Yuki and Zhou, and maybe Perez if he can't get within 3 tenths of Max.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how long Tsunoda will be in F1. When he's performing he's definitely fast but he has big consistency issues that continue to be his main problem. His rookie season was bad enough that I was wondering if they were going to boot him but they didn't (he was definitely lucky Mazepin was on the grid to take most of the heat from fans and the press). Tsunoda was definitely faster this year but his qualifying and some of his race performances are still lacking.
That said Tsunoda did have a lot of rotten luck this year and did seem like he was making improvements. He DNFed or had mechanical issues that took him out of the points at least twice from what I remember and he was far more competitive with Gasly compared to last year. The Alpha Tauri car was clearly weaker than previous years so neither driver can be blamed for not scoring very often. If anything, Tsunoda made Gasly look a lot more average compared to last year, and is partly why I think it was a bizarre choice for Alpine to go with Gasly. This year was easily Gasly's weakest year outside of that half of a season at Red Bull. It seemed like he was over-driving the car and causing himself a bunch of issues in a way that was reminiscent of his stint at Red Bull.
For Perez, as I already said, yeah he's probably going to be under pressure this coming year. If Verstappen is still out front and Perez is still mixed in the top 6 but not consistently coming home 2nd or 3rd, it's going to get rough for him quickly. With Ricciardo it will come down to what Red Bull sees in his sim work data (and potential tests, which they mentioned as a possibility for him). If he still gels well with their car like he used to in a way that allows his confidence and pace to return, I wouldn't be shocked if Horner tried to get Ricciardo at a discount rate. Perez is still contracted until the end of 2024, but as we've seen many times lately, that means nothing.
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On November 30 2022 01:45 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2022 00:27 Ben... wrote:If I were Leclerc or Sainz, I'd be keeping an eye on other race seats right now. With this much upheaval, it doesn't seem likely that Ferrari is going continuing their forward push for the next couple years. Yesterday I read an article about the leadership changes at Ferrari the last couple years and it does not inspire a lot of confidence that they will continue to be any good. The new CEO of Ferrari apparently has at times micromanaged and meddled with operations in the team this year, including strategy, when he has literally no background in motorsports before being hired to Ferrari. John Elkann, the current president of Ferrari, is partially in that position because of nepotism and not because of his own abilities. It's already felt the last few races that Leclerc has seemed checked out from caring at all and seemed openly frustrated. That may change with a new season but I can't see him wanting to stick around past his current contract if the team keeps shooting itself in the foot. He's not going to be winning a championship with Ferrari, just like Vettel and Alonso weren't. The issue with this is: Just where is he suppose to go? Mercedes currently has no less than 2 WDC capable drivers on their team. RB has one, and very unlikely to take on board Leclerc to create more in-team fighting between their two drivers.. and that's it. There are no other team that is even remotely close to having a WDC challenging car. Norris has the same issue in my opinion. He's not in a WDC team despite being a WDC capable driver, but there just isn't anywhere else for him to go. Luckily for him, it seems like he adores McLaren at least. Leclerc does not seem to be liking his time with Ferrari (As is tradition. Absolutely no one goes to Ferrari and enjoys their time there, which tells you a lot about how dysfunctional the team really is)
I've said it before, I will say it now. Ferrari is not fighting for any championships. For the past 20 years they are slightly above the average team which sometimes makes a decent car. Mark my words, Mercedes and RB will be way ahead of them at the start of next season.
It would be better for both Sainz and Leclerc to just leave, like Alonso and Vettel did.
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On December 07 2022 06:28 Vinekh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2022 01:45 Excludos wrote:On November 30 2022 00:27 Ben... wrote:If I were Leclerc or Sainz, I'd be keeping an eye on other race seats right now. With this much upheaval, it doesn't seem likely that Ferrari is going continuing their forward push for the next couple years. Yesterday I read an article about the leadership changes at Ferrari the last couple years and it does not inspire a lot of confidence that they will continue to be any good. The new CEO of Ferrari apparently has at times micromanaged and meddled with operations in the team this year, including strategy, when he has literally no background in motorsports before being hired to Ferrari. John Elkann, the current president of Ferrari, is partially in that position because of nepotism and not because of his own abilities. It's already felt the last few races that Leclerc has seemed checked out from caring at all and seemed openly frustrated. That may change with a new season but I can't see him wanting to stick around past his current contract if the team keeps shooting itself in the foot. He's not going to be winning a championship with Ferrari, just like Vettel and Alonso weren't. The issue with this is: Just where is he suppose to go? Mercedes currently has no less than 2 WDC capable drivers on their team. RB has one, and very unlikely to take on board Leclerc to create more in-team fighting between their two drivers.. and that's it. There are no other team that is even remotely close to having a WDC challenging car. Norris has the same issue in my opinion. He's not in a WDC team despite being a WDC capable driver, but there just isn't anywhere else for him to go. Luckily for him, it seems like he adores McLaren at least. Leclerc does not seem to be liking his time with Ferrari (As is tradition. Absolutely no one goes to Ferrari and enjoys their time there, which tells you a lot about how dysfunctional the team really is) I've said it before, I will say it now. Ferrari is not fighting for any championships. For the past 20 years they are slightly above the average team which sometimes makes a decent car. Mark my words, Mercedes and RB will be way ahead of them at the start of next season. It would be better for both Sainz and Leclerc to just leave, like Alonso and Vettel did.
Do people have amnesia? They were literally fighting for the championship this season, or have you already forgotten how good their car was in the first half? They were also competitive in 2019. You can't just say because they lost that they're "not fighting for any championships".
Neither Alonso nor Vettel "just left", they were pushed out, which is how Ferrari works. They did the same to Schumacher as well. The team is the embodiment of passive-aggressiveness.
You could very well be right about the next season, but you could also be completely wrong. It's stupid to speculate. Ferrari has a history of making competitive cars, even if they have periods of misses. It's not like we're talking about Haas here, with a complete history of mediocrity. They might not be up there with Mercedes and RB in terms of consistently producing WDC winning cars as of late, but that's not necessarily required to snag a WDC
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On December 08 2022 23:54 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2022 06:28 Vinekh wrote:On November 30 2022 01:45 Excludos wrote:On November 30 2022 00:27 Ben... wrote:If I were Leclerc or Sainz, I'd be keeping an eye on other race seats right now. With this much upheaval, it doesn't seem likely that Ferrari is going continuing their forward push for the next couple years. Yesterday I read an article about the leadership changes at Ferrari the last couple years and it does not inspire a lot of confidence that they will continue to be any good. The new CEO of Ferrari apparently has at times micromanaged and meddled with operations in the team this year, including strategy, when he has literally no background in motorsports before being hired to Ferrari. John Elkann, the current president of Ferrari, is partially in that position because of nepotism and not because of his own abilities. It's already felt the last few races that Leclerc has seemed checked out from caring at all and seemed openly frustrated. That may change with a new season but I can't see him wanting to stick around past his current contract if the team keeps shooting itself in the foot. He's not going to be winning a championship with Ferrari, just like Vettel and Alonso weren't. The issue with this is: Just where is he suppose to go? Mercedes currently has no less than 2 WDC capable drivers on their team. RB has one, and very unlikely to take on board Leclerc to create more in-team fighting between their two drivers.. and that's it. There are no other team that is even remotely close to having a WDC challenging car. Norris has the same issue in my opinion. He's not in a WDC team despite being a WDC capable driver, but there just isn't anywhere else for him to go. Luckily for him, it seems like he adores McLaren at least. Leclerc does not seem to be liking his time with Ferrari (As is tradition. Absolutely no one goes to Ferrari and enjoys their time there, which tells you a lot about how dysfunctional the team really is) I've said it before, I will say it now. Ferrari is not fighting for any championships. For the past 20 years they are slightly above the average team which sometimes makes a decent car. Mark my words, Mercedes and RB will be way ahead of them at the start of next season. It would be better for both Sainz and Leclerc to just leave, like Alonso and Vettel did. Do people have amnesia? They were literally fighting for the championship this season, or have you already forgotten how good their car was in the first half? They were also competitive in 2019. You can't just say because they lost that they're "not fighting for any championships". Neither Alonso nor Vettel "just left", they were pushed out, which is how Ferrari works. They did the same to Schumacher as well. The team is the embodiment of passive-aggressiveness. You could very well be right about the next season, but you could also be completely wrong. It's stupid to speculate. Ferrari has a history of making competitive cars, even if they have periods of misses. It's not like we're talking about Haas here, with a complete history of mediocrity. They might not be up there with Mercedes and RB in terms of consistently producing WDC winning cars as of late, but that's not necessarily required to snag a WDC
what he is saying is that even if ferrari started out strong you need more than one of the fastest cars; you need consistency, a great team, not of people who are there because of connections, and other stuff. so i agree, ferrari even being number 2 was never really a threat, that early in the season its ridiculous to assume so
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Been out of the F1 news circuit for a while and what a day to be back,
Team principal musical chairs started lmao
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On December 13 2022 23:00 LennX wrote:
Been out of the F1 news circuit for a while and what a day to be back,
Team principal musical chairs started lmao
Who would've thought that we would as many TP changes as driver changes for 2023.
Not expecting TP changes to have much effect for 2023, but much more in the 2024/25 seasons, and especially the 2026.
Seems like Seidl is off to lead Audi after rejecting the Ferrari offer.
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Absolutely gutted for McLaren, I loved Seidl he is a great team principal but I wish him well for Audi.
As for Ferrari they had a much better shot at a title 2018 and 2019, whether they were cheating or not I will leave that to your own opinion!
Edit: Who could blame him for picking Audi over Ferrari, I would
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It's that time of the year again. Overreactions and hot takes ahoy, and time for Ferrari's year as usual.
https://www.youtube.com/KyleEngineers
3 teams aero analyzed so far by a former Merc Aerodynamicist. Definitely a good place to get a good idea of the general aero concepts of each car.
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I'm excited to see how Sergeant does for Williams.
I'm thinking if preseason is an indication of how the season goes it'll be another Red Bull and Ferrari one two punch. Max put in a lot of laps day one, while last year he did about 50, today tripling that number for 157. I don't know if that means anything, but that's a lot of laps, I wonder how different his vehicle is compared to last season
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On February 24 2023 07:29 Mutaller wrote:
I'm excited to see how Sergeant does for Williams.
I'm thinking if preseason is an indication of how the season goes it'll be another Red Bull and Ferrari one two punch. Max put in a lot of laps day one, while last year he did about 50, today tripling that number for 157. I don't know if that means anything, but that's a lot of laps, I wonder how different his vehicle is compared to last season
More laps mean they have a consistent, good car with not much technical, engineering problems.
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Rumors:
Pecking order seems to be:
Red Bull
Ferrari
Mercedez
Aston Martin
Alfa Romeo
Alpine
Williams
McLaren
Alpha tauri
Haas
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