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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 29 2019 09:04 Espers wrote: Enrique had the players to dominate a game, coaching only makes so much of a difference. Even his side got murdered away in the CL in his last season because of the declining midfield. You aren't going to see this Barca team control the tough games because the quality isn't there. Especially not vs a team like Liverpool where even Guardiola's City has been caught out and has adopted a more cautious approach since. I mean sure, the teams not as good, I have no problem "getting murdered". Peps gotten murdered, Luis Enrique has gotten murdered. Flaws and weaknesses exist in all playstyles. And maybe the roster isnt good enough to play it. But the fact is that this playstyle still doesnt display any ambition to win as a team. To take an example Spur's dont have a world beating roster, but they still play with freedom. Losing is one thing, losing while deliberately playing like ass is another. Spurs are not particularly successful and they play badly some days and near the end of the season they were aweful because they dont have the consistency and depth to maintain that playstyle week in week but I enjoy watching them play when they do play well. I dont enjoy watching Barcelona play like I dont think theyve been fun to watch all year. Even last year it was whatever but you had hope. Winning and losing is important and I think if you get results you can play the way you want and no one can argue. But if you dont get results and your not fun to watch its kinda off putting. Its one thing to be cautious but I dont recall City getting dominated by Liverpool either. Barcelona was dominated in both games.And this was a consensus opinion even before the second leg. They just Messi'ed one out. Something they have done all year. Id rather lose 4 or even 5 Nil and have a go at them, whats the point of getting dominated and losing 4 nil? There is always a balance to be found, some luck to be had etc etc. But Id rather the team err on the play to win side of things like they have been. On May 29 2019 09:45 zev318 wrote: who would all the barca fanboys want as their manager, they dont like anybody Id be ok with Poch, mayyyybeee Koeman. Not suggesting that is going to happen but those would be my picks. Also this is a pretty rubbish comment. and doesnt provide any value to the discussion. Ill take the bait even if its just to tell you how shit it is. Even Sharkie doesnt do this anymore ( I feel like im tempting fate with that one) | ||
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
It's not like someone like Sarri is going to make a huge difference to that, he's been even more willing to sit deep and defensive and pray Hazard solves the game against the tough opposition. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On May 29 2019 12:21 Rebs wrote: I mean sure, the teams not as good, I have no problem "getting murdered". Peps gotten murdered, Luis Enrique has gotten murdered. Flaws and weaknesses exist in all playstyles. And maybe the roster isnt good enough to play it. But the fact is that this playstyle still doesnt display any ambition to win as a team. To take an example Spur's dont have a world beating roster, but they still play with freedom. Losing is one thing, losing while deliberately playing like ass is another. Spurs are not particularly successful and they play badly some days and near the end of the season they were aweful because they dont have the consistency and depth to maintain that playstyle week in week but I enjoy watching them play when they do play well. I dont enjoy watching Barcelona play like I dont think theyve been fun to watch all year. Even last year it was whatever but you had hope. Winning and losing is important and I think if you get results you can play the way you want and no one can argue. But if you dont get results and your not fun to watch its kinda off putting. Its one thing to be cautious but I dont recall City getting dominated by Liverpool either. Barcelona was dominated in both games.And this was a consensus opinion even before the second leg. They just Messi'ed one out. Something they have done all year. Id rather lose 4 or even 5 Nil and have a go at them, whats the point of getting dominated and losing 4 nil? There is always a balance to be found, some luck to be had etc etc. But Id rather the team err on the play to win side of things like they have been. Id be ok with Poch, mayyyybeee Koeman. Not suggesting that is going to happen but those would be my picks. Also this is a pretty rubbish comment. and doesnt provide any value to the discussion. Ill take the bait even if its just to tell you how shit it is. Even Sharkie doesnt do this anymore ( I feel like im tempting fate with that one) hows that a bait, the discussion was managers and every one that is named, some barca fan here is like oh, he's shit and/or doesnt play a style that they like. so i was genuinely curious on who would be their choice if they had one. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18525 Posts
On May 29 2019 09:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Is this for real? Lovely as a arsenal fan | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On May 29 2019 15:16 zev318 wrote: hows that a bait, the discussion was managers and every one that is named, some barca fan here is like oh, he's shit and/or doesnt play a style that they like. so i was genuinely curious on who would be their choice if they had one. Well it's not like our fanbase is a hive mind. Everyone has their favorite and dislikes someone. I've seen mentioned around Robert Martínez (who is catalan btw), Henry (as Bob's assisant), Ten Hag, Koeman, Allegri... I'm ok with any of those except Koeman because I don't think he has it in him. Hopefully I'm wrong tho because I liked him as a player and I'll always remember that freekick. Maybe the lack of a clear fan favorite is exactly why the board hasn't pulled the trigger (yet?). | ||
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Bacillus
Finland1985 Posts
Edit: The video embedding doesn't work for some reason. Here's the article with the video: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/28/maurizio-sarri-chelsea-europa-league-training Didn't look too bad to me until Sarri showed frustration. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On May 29 2019 14:05 Espers wrote: I don't really think Valverde's effect on that team's playstyle is that significant. He's made them a little bit more defensive and less fun, but it's minimal. They still play out from the back, it's still a team that has a ton of possession generally. But they've also lost a lot of their exciting, technical players over the last few years like Iniesta, Alves and Neymar and the replacements just don't do the same things. With that and the aged squad it's just a bit turgid. A lot of their troubles are just the midfield just failing at its job, forced to punt long balls and the players not being able to press as they used to. It's not like someone like Sarri is going to make a huge difference to that, he's been even more willing to sit deep and defensive and pray Hazard solves the game against the tough opposition. He benched the players capable of doing it. Semedo has some Alves in him, Arthur is similar to Xavi, Dembélé or Malcom could have been the Neymar, and Coutinho could have been tried in Iniesta's position (I mean, he was signed to replace him). Instead he put the older guys with more 'power' even if they performed worse, and was fine with being dominated in most games. Whether he actually asked the players to stop pressing and play possession or the players decided for themselves, it's his responsibility. In short, he decided to bet on established players to win titles for him by letting them do whatever they wanted as long as they were happy. Pretty much like Zidane. It's fine until results stop coming. | ||
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haitike
Spain2720 Posts
Barcelona needs more scoring players. Lately I feel that only Messi is able to score in matches. Suarez is too irregular now. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 29 2019 14:05 Espers wrote: I don't really think Valverde's effect on that team's playstyle is that significant. He's made them a little bit more defensive and less fun, but it's minimal. They still play out from the back, it's still a team that has a ton of possession generally. But they've also lost a lot of their exciting, technical players over the last few years like Iniesta, Alves and Neymar and the replacements just don't do the same things. With that and the aged squad it's just a bit turgid. A lot of their troubles are just the midfield just failing at its job, forced to punt long balls and the players not being able to press as they used to. It's not like someone like Sarri is going to make a huge difference to that, he's been even more willing to sit deep and defensive and pray Hazard solves the game against the tough opposition. Then you havent been watching enough games or just dont see the things everyone else is seeing,. Watch them week in week out and you will get a sense of what people mean. Its not like this wasnt talked about when Barcelona were winning all year either. Ofcourse it gets louder when they dont. Your missing the point, you keep harping about losing technical players, player not as good and this and that and you have plastered the assumption the reinforcements dont the same things without realizing that 1) the new players dont have a framework to do those things in the first place 2) The team was ok with just letting things roll because it was just about good enough to be top of the league + Show Spoiler + (and I mean seriously "just about:, because Messi did some serious lifting, and not even in a "team is built Messi to feed Messi" way like its been at times in the past. Dude was full on subsistance farming. Maybe not at the same level, but that doesnt mean they cant be good enough. How do you know ? They havent even tried to play that way ? I dont understand after seeing every dynasty thats ever been built hasnt had extremely good coaching to suggest that there is only "so much" a coach can do. When this coach didnt even do "so much". And to your last point not sure where Sarri came from. No one offered him as a legitimate solution so I dont see what strawmanning him there is for. On May 29 2019 15:16 zev318 wrote: hows that a bait, the discussion was managers and every one that is named, some barca fan here is like oh, he's shit and/or doesnt play a style that they like. so i was genuinely curious on who would be their choice if they had one. Then you could have said that instead of sarcastically proclaiming (to paraphrase a bit) that "barca fanboys hate everyone. I see only sarcasm no curiosity. Shit comment. People have their own opinions and everyones offered a choice or a preference. Now anyway. Literally 'one' person actually laid out his preferences. The only conversation upto that point was a dislike for Valverde and why. So I dont see where the "they hate everyone came' from in the first place . I hope your curiosity is satisfied now and the rest of us can continue with an actual discussion in good faith. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 29 2019 17:12 Bacillus wrote: Edit: The video embedding doesn't work for some reason. Here's the article with the video: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/28/maurizio-sarri-chelsea-europa-league-training Didn't look too bad to me until Sarri showed frustration. Lol was all just Sarri pissed off because the media didn't turn off cameras, and he could not practice set pieces. Higuain and Luiz was nothing was literally nothing as you can see in the video. Sarri was just annoyed at everything and was pissed, he "walks down the tunnel" BEHIND azpilicueta, pedro and higuain....aka the training session was OVER lol | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Europa League Finals ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/JpHyzo8.jpg) Kick Off Wednesday, May 29 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Team News Chelsea Kepa Dave Luiz Christensen Emerson Kante Jorginho Kovacic Pedro Giroud Hazard Arsenal Cech Monreal Sokratis Koscielny Maitland-Niles Xhaka Torreira Kolasinac Ozil Aubameyang Lacazette | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On May 30 2019 02:52 Pandemona wrote: Team News Chelsea Kepa Dave Luiz Christensen Emerson Kante Jorginho Kovacic Pedro Giroud Hazard Arsenal Cech Monreal Sokratis Koscielny Maitland-Niles Xhaka Torreira Kolasinac Ozil Aubameyang Lacazette How is Christensen doing at Chelsea these days? You think he has a future at the club? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sneakyfox
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Suppose that if you don't want to fill the stadium with fans you gotta provide some lame show instead to have the appearance of excitement | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On May 30 2019 04:21 Faruko wrote: even if just slight, i think thats a penalty 100%, he touches lacazete yeh I think so too, not convinced by the argument that he went down too easily I don't like that they dispensed of that so quickly, at least could have ben a thorough check | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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