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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 28 2019 11:05 GMT
#4801
Well everyone is reporting now that Valverde is gone, is there an actual management meeting at Barca today or is it just the regularly scheduled silly season shit stirring
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
May 28 2019 11:28 GMT
#4802
Hopefully it's true. And hopefully it's not Roberto Martinez. I'd rather stick with Valverde if that's the case...
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2115 Posts
May 28 2019 11:37 GMT
#4803
Some rumored shortlist for the Barca manager next season: Allegri, Emery, Martinez or Koeman.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
May 28 2019 12:20 GMT
#4804
Allegri, no thanks. Great coach, but not for Barça. Emery, I have my doubts. He didn't have the balls to control players at PSG and didn't seem to like big club pressure, I don't think he can do it at Barça. Martinez isn't a great coach. Koeman best choice easily, but would he leave this up and coming Dutch generation?

Apart from those, other options could be Xavi (no experience and imo too close to some players; but definitely in the future, he could be a new Pep), Setien (no big team experience but has Barça philosophy), Sarri (perfect tactics, probably not the right personality though), Bielsa (same)... Arteta for some wild picks xD
whistleboss
Profile Joined March 2019
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-28 13:37:39
May 28 2019 13:26 GMT
#4805
it's incredible how Tuchel who flopped way worse doesn't get any stick, PSG really is a small club.

Valverde reached the semis of CL (to liverpool who will be the favorites in the final). this season lost the spanish cup final to europa league semi finalists without Luis Suarez who was injured - don't forget who beat real madrid 5-1 this season
ah and at the start of the season he also beat Sevilla for the super cup

Tuchel lost in last 16 of CL (to a team that won nothing this season and wont even play CL next season). lost the national cups to the last placed in the league and to the 10th placed, probably the worst campaign in a long time for paris no?
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
May 28 2019 13:39 GMT
#4806
On May 28 2019 22:26 whistleboss wrote:
it's incredible how Tuchel who flopped way worse doesn't get any stick, PSG really is a small club.

Valverde reached the semis of CL (possibly to the champions). this season lost the spanish cup final to europa league semi finalists without Luis Suarez who was injured - don't forget who beat real madrid 5-1 this season
ah and at the start of the season he also beat Sevilla for the super cup

Tuchel lost in last 16 of CL (to a team that won nothing this season and wont even play CL next season). lost the national cups to the last placed in the league and to the 10th placed, probably the worst campaign in a long time for paris no?


Hard to blame Tuchel for all that though, he barely had enough players to field a starting eleven for most of the year.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
May 28 2019 13:48 GMT
#4807
PSG is rotten from the top down, it's not really Tuchel's fault. What good would it make to change coaches again? His failures are the same as Emery's or Blanc's (to various degrees of responsibilities). If anything, this year the team looked better than it's ever been until that ridiculous PTSD game.

Valverde has had good RESULTS but the team isn't convincing. Many of those wins were heavily influenced by luck, something that shouldn't be the main quality to define a Barça team. For the past 10 years, Barça has "deserved" to win 95% of their games. This season, they didn't deserve much. Reaching the Copa final was pure chance given how Madrid dominated both games, and winning the Liga with the 2 Madrid clubs failing that hard isn't a hard feat for a team with that squad and budget. Results aren't everything. Madrid's 2 last seasons have been catastrophic because they were happy with "results" and didn't want to make any change. Winning the CL last year sure was a big thing, but I'm not sure fans were happy to say goodbye to the league and the cup in December.
whistleboss
Profile Joined March 2019
151 Posts
May 28 2019 13:58 GMT
#4808
dominated both games and had a penalty by Semedo on Vinicius not given? wait, what's the difference of that to old infamous games like the one against chelsea? lol
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
May 28 2019 14:03 GMT
#4809
Tuchel is not a good coach but PSG wont get anyone better.
whistleboss
Profile Joined March 2019
151 Posts
May 28 2019 14:17 GMT
#4810
And why's that?
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
May 28 2019 14:18 GMT
#4811
On May 28 2019 23:03 sharkie wrote:
Tuchel is not a good coach but PSG wont get anyone better.

Maybe. Time will tell. I liked how he made the team work harder and play up until that MU game, but it's true that he hasn't proven much yet. Mourinho and Allegri wanted the job apparently, so they CAN get someone better :p
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
May 28 2019 14:22 GMT
#4812
Holy shit if PSG get Mourinho their drama levels will reach the sun.

So I hope they do
Revolutionist fan
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-28 15:00:18
May 28 2019 14:55 GMT
#4813
On May 28 2019 23:22 Salteador Neo wrote:
Holy shit if PSG get Mourinho their drama levels will reach the sun.

So I hope they do


That would be hilarious. Mourinho and all the PSG ultras in the same side.

On May 28 2019 20:05 sneirac wrote:
Well everyone is reporting now that Valverde is gone, is there an actual management meeting at Barca today or is it just the regularly scheduled silly season shit stirring


In addition to the manager issue. It would be nice to have a director of football that doesn't do stuff like bringing Boateng as a sub for Suarez, after selling Alcacer and Munir.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-28 14:59:05
May 28 2019 14:58 GMT
#4814
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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2115 Posts
May 28 2019 16:56 GMT
#4815
On May 28 2019 23:55 haitike wrote:
In addition to the manager issue. It would be nice to have a director of football that doesn't do stuff like bringing Boateng as a sub for Suarez, after selling Alcacer and Munir.

Heh, I had completely forgotten about that one. I was almost certain there was some kind of hidden genius in such a weird move, but then it turned out to be as underwhelming as it first seemed.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-28 21:55:23
May 28 2019 21:55 GMT
#4816
Bartomeu has confirmed Valverde for next season. I'm depressed now.
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-28 23:46:19
May 28 2019 23:26 GMT
#4817
Valverde is not that bad imo, maybe a bit defensive and boring for a Barca coach but so were Rijkaard and Enrique. The problems are really in the squad. A lot of past-its, two marquee signings who haven't really delivered. It's just really poor for a modern Barcelona team, Enrique's squad was so much better.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
May 28 2019 23:44 GMT
#4818
On May 29 2019 08:26 Espers wrote:
Valverde is not that bad imo, maybe a bit defensive and boring for a Barca coach but so were Rijkaard and Enrique. The problems are really in the squad. A lot of past-its, two marquee signings who haven't really delivered. It's just really poor for a modern Barcelona team, Luis Enrique's squad was so much better.


Enrique played with alot of Energy and desire. Sure the players may have been better/younger but there is no excuse for just not coaching a team into a level that doesnt let an opponent walk all over you, regardless of where you are playing.

Rijkjaards team was a completely different time for the game in general so I dont see the point in going that far. But I would contest that Rijkaard was boring for a coach. Hes certainly acheived more than he was perhaps good for. But again not a debate worth going far into.

Point being, once you are used to a certain style or way of playing that the club has owned as an identity for a decade and has at times dominated and other times been successful competitive and entertaining then its a bit of a slap to people who come to love that.

Then you start doing the opposite, and thats not great but then not only are you not entertaining but you are also failing at key moments and losing in exactly the way your style is designed to not lose. Thats kinda of unacceptable.

Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-29 00:21:33
May 29 2019 00:04 GMT
#4819
Enrique had the players to dominate a game, coaching only makes so much of a difference. Even his side got murdered away in the CL in his last season because of the declining midfield. You aren't going to see this Barca team control the tough games because the quality isn't there. Especially not vs a team like Liverpool where even Guardiola's City has been caught out and has adopted a more cautious approach since.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 29 2019 00:27 GMT
#4820
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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