EPT2017 - 2018 Football Thread - Page 281
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On May 17 2018 09:40 Espers wrote: no wilshere, no lallana, no real creative midfielders at all. meh, scenes when we don't qualify from the group again D: Lallana isnt really a creative midfielder, and if your best option in creative midfielders is Jack Wilshere then thats just not the game you are cut out to play. Y Englands fallen into that trap before, you dont absolutely have to have a gifted world class playmaker to be a decent attacking team+ Show Spoiler + (just like having one doesnt really always work) | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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don't really see why Welbeck is needed in place of another CM.. | ||
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sharkie
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wow thats pretty impressive, I wonder how his chances created look like | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Welbeck goal record for England is nuts, that is why he goes. He scored 6 goals in Euro 2016 qualification in 1 short of group top scorer Rooney and he also gets injured a fair bit. He has 15 goals in 37 appearances at England level, which is pretty good considering he played 5 times in last 4 years xD Wilshire didn't go because question marks over fitness and Banana doesn't go because he is still injured period. I am happy with the squad minus the big ommision of our best left back in Bertrand in my opinion. He is world class but got overlooked for some reason i don't know why. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On May 17 2018 16:53 Pandemona wrote: Reason why Cahill is in the squad is experience, guy is the most successfull English player left in England premier league by a mile, won everything in football, next is like Sterling with 1 premier league win and a league cup win lol. Cahill has been playing big games for over a decade with Chelsea that is why he is going, he wont play but is there for experience. 1-0 up 10 minutes to go, Cahill comes on etc. Welbeck goal record for England is nuts, that is why he goes. He scored 6 goals in Euro 2016 qualification in 1 short of group top scorer Rooney and he also gets injured a fair bit. He has 15 goals in 37 appearances at England level, which is pretty good considering he played 5 times in last 4 years xD Wilshire didn't go because question marks over fitness and Banana doesn't go because he is still injured period. I am happy with the squad minus the big ommision of our best left back in Bertrand in my opinion. He is world class but got overlooked for some reason i don't know why. i dont think its possible to justify cahill over smalling. man utd starting cb for the last 5 years and in much better current form than cahill. the only thing cahill has that smalling doesnt is the cl win. in terms of team trophies smalling has a bigger cabinet. experience is moot when your form is incomparable | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
So yeah Cahill being in bigger and more important games at the highest level is no contest vs Smalling. Chelsea also been competing for the league more so than Yanited those years as well and has almost double the caps of Smalling xD | ||
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On May 17 2018 18:37 Pandemona wrote: That is the only reason you can use but if they ommited Cahill that would leave the defenders with one centre half who has been to a tournament in John Stones, at least now they have Cahill to help mentor :3 I agree with you here. v. Gaal cought a LOT of flak for selecting Kuijt for the 2014 WC: he was old, and not really in shape (although he had actually had a really good season in Turkey). One of the reasons for selecting him was as a player the rest of the team could look up to, who worked hard and didn't complain. Unlike divas like v. Persie or Sneijder (who are undeniably technically better). Turns out, it worked. Kuijt was one of the stand-out players for the Dutch team. Taking along a player for his mentality can be a really good idea. I don't know enough about Engerland to know if Cahill is that kind of player, but given that there are a lot of youngsters in the team, having some experienced players who you *want* as a role model is great. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On May 17 2018 17:54 Pandemona wrote: Well Smalling only won the league playing <16 games the first year and the second time <15 xD So yeah Cahill being in bigger and more important games at the highest level is no contest vs Smalling. Chelsea also been competing for the league more so than Yanited those years as well and has almost double the caps of Smalling xD yeah but like i said, experience doesnt mean much when the player is shit based on current form. englands cb pairing should have been smalling and jones. stones was a complete joke last season and this season citys defense hasnt been tested enough anyway. why not take a cb pairing that play together every week also jones > smalling when hes fit On May 17 2018 18:51 Acrofales wrote: I agree with you here. v. Gaal cought a LOT of flak for selecting Kuijt for the 2014 WC: he was old, and not really in shape (although he had actually had a really good season in Turkey). One of the reasons for selecting him was as a player the rest of the team could look up to, who worked hard and didn't complain. Unlike divas like v. Persie or Sneijder (who are undeniably technically better). Turns out, it worked. Kuijt was one of the stand-out players for the Dutch team. Taking along a player for his mentality can be a really good idea. I don't know enough about Engerland to know if Cahill is that kind of player, but given that there are a lot of youngsters in the team, having some experienced players who you *want* as a role model is great. an example of a player who fit this scenario would be ashley young in the england squad. he actually still plays well in the lb role though, even if he wont be the starter. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 17 2018 18:51 Acrofales wrote: I agree with you here. v. Gaal cought a LOT of flak for selecting Kuijt for the 2014 WC: he was old, and not really in shape (although he had actually had a really good season in Turkey). One of the reasons for selecting him was as a player the rest of the team could look up to, who worked hard and didn't complain. Unlike divas like v. Persie or Sneijder (who are undeniably technically better). Turns out, it worked. Kuijt was one of the stand-out players for the Dutch team. Taking along a player for his mentality can be a really good idea. I don't know enough about Engerland to know if Cahill is that kind of player, but given that there are a lot of youngsters in the team, having some experienced players who you *want* as a role model is great. Yep, Cahill never been in press for doing anything wrong, barely does stuff wrong and has been a loyal player for Chelsea since 2012. Got to learn off of JT and some good managers, does all he can, yes he isn't the best cb in england right now i agree, is smalling better than him as a CB, maybe, im not sure, i would play Maguire and Stones over them both for sure. On May 17 2018 18:44 DucK- wrote: Does Phil Jones merit a spot?? With Jones he is a lot better this season even with his injuries, Yanited have a good defensive record and it was mainly when Jones was playing (Yanited fans agree right?) So i think taking him over Smalling is defo the right choice there. | ||
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Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 17 2018 13:52 sharkie wrote: Payet has been Marseille's star man this season - his 22 assists in all competitions the most by any player in Europe's top five leagues. wow thats pretty impressive, I wonder how his chances created look like I like to think that karma paid back to Payet for Euro final  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 17 2018 18:54 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah but like i said, experience doesnt mean much when the player is shit based on current form. englands cb pairing should have been smalling and jones. stones was a complete joke last season and this season citys defense hasnt been tested enough anyway. why not take a cb pairing that play together every week also jones > smalling when hes fit an example of a player who fit this scenario would be ashley young in the england squad. he actually still plays well in the lb role though, even if he wont be the starter. Well in your opinion Smalling is better than Cahill but for me he is no where near the same level. I agree Jones is better than them both right now when fit though thats for sure. Cahill isn't going to play nor would Smalling if he went, the England centre back pairing isn't a pairing as we play a back 3. Thus Cahill from the sidelines with more experience in big games than Smalling has had, is better to take. Stones - Maguire, these are the 2 best centre backs in England right now easily, with Jones the next fully fit probably. Walker playing in the back 3 there is something Southgate wants because of probably what Steve Holland has pushed for due to how Dave does it at Chelsea and what Steve Holland oversaw with his time at Chelsea. So the line up will be; Walker - Stones - Maguire, all 3 are so comfortable on the ball and that is why it is like that in our group games especially if you remove Belgium we are going to have 80% possession and Smalling and Cahill are irrelevant with the ball, more so Smalling as well. | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 17 2018 11:12 Espers wrote: playing vs Tunisia and Panama who'll happily take a draw, of course England have to play an attacking game. Lallana and Wilshere's creativity will be much needed, I don't think Henderson/Dier do much in attack and Alli is basically a striker relying on others don't really see why Welbeck is needed in place of another CM.. Right except neither Lallana (who isnt really all that creative anyway and certainly not as a number 10) nor Wilshere have actually displayed enough creativity or been available consistently enough to prove they would merit a spot over the current English setup. England have fallen into that trap far to many times in the past. my lineup would be something like Butland? Stones Cahill Jones Walker Young Dier Sterling Ali Lingard ( I really like this kid) Kane | ||
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