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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6292 Posts
May 27 2017 15:23 GMT
#5521
Yes I do. I know of him placing some very average players who haven't performed at all at decent clubs. I'm quite certain he has a role in that.

Agents aren't the reason for money in football. It's sponsors, fans and billionaires buying clubs and investing insane amounts. If the players get less the rest of the money would stay at the clubs. If you want less money in football you should kick out all rich people owning clubs and pumping in 100s of millions.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28864 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 15:35:21
May 27 2017 15:33 GMT
#5522
But if he placed some average players who haven't performed at all at decent clubs, isn't that a bad thing? Like he's basically a scammer then. Someone being a good salesman is not necessarily a good thing.

edit: I agree that agents are not the reason why there's too much money in football, but I still feel that they contribute to the inflation of prices (and wages), which contributes to teams wanting billionaire money because it's the only way they can be competitive in the current market.
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
May 27 2017 15:33 GMT
#5523
On May 28 2017 00:23 RvB wrote:
Yes I do. I know of him placing some very average players who haven't performed at all at decent clubs.
.


Now explain to me in which world this is a good thing.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
May 27 2017 15:35 GMT
#5524
On May 28 2017 00:23 RvB wrote:
Yes I do. I know of him placing some very average players who haven't performed at all at decent clubs. I'm quite certain he has a role in that.

Agents aren't the reason for money in football. It's sponsors, fans and billionaires buying clubs and investing insane amounts. If the players get less the rest of the money would stay at the clubs. If you want less money in football you should kick out all rich people owning clubs and pumping in 100s of millions.

No, just put in salary caps. I don't know how European law works, but insofar as I know, associations can make up their own rules, right? So if the UEFA decides that clubs cannot play in Champions/Europa League if any player earns more than 1million a year, then that should put a quick end to giant transfer fees and salaries. Of course, where the money goes then is a huge problem. The TV money, sponsor contracts, etc. are still vast cash cows, and that isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6292 Posts
May 27 2017 15:53 GMT
#5525
On May 28 2017 00:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
But if he placed some average players who haven't performed at all at decent clubs, isn't that a bad thing? Like he's basically a scammer then. Someone being a good salesman is not necessarily a good thing.

edit: I agree that agents are not the reason why there's too much money in football, but I still feel that they contribute to the inflation of prices (and wages), which contributes to teams wanting billionaire money because it's the only way they can be competitive in the current market.

For the clubs yes but not for the players. His job is to place and negotiate for his players. If he does it well I see nothing wrong with that. If a club pays for a bad player that's their own responsibility.

As to your 2nd point that might be true I'm not sure. I don't think that getting rid of all agents is the right solution since players will be collateral damage. Reducing their power somehow makes sense though.

@acrofales: yes putting a cap on wages is an easy way to reduce players salaries. I was talking about money in football as a sport though not about wages. The thing is that with a wage cap the clubs will pocket the money instead. It's just transferring money from one group of people to the other.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
May 27 2017 16:38 GMT
#5526
Lmao Chelsea losing to Arsenal
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 27 2017 16:39 GMT
#5527
wow good thing they sorted that out, tho ramsey is an idiot
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 16:40:02
May 27 2017 16:39 GMT
#5528
Ramsey so stupid, he almost costed them a goal
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
May 27 2017 16:41 GMT
#5529
Honestly, thats a yellow at least for Costa even if there was a foul by Holding, what an asshole
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 27 2017 16:42 GMT
#5530
Yeah Costa always gets away with something like that when hes frustrated
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2396 Posts
May 27 2017 16:42 GMT
#5531
There isn't a huge account of money in football because of rich bajillionaires - that sort of thinking belongs in the past decade. There's a huge amount of money in football because that's one of the few remaining types of entertainment content people are willing to pay to watch live.

When agents get huge % of transfers it's usually because they helped finance early transfers of those players, or invested in the players themselves. In these cases they're acting as financial intermediaries to the benefit of smaller clubs and the players. If agents are so bad then why do players keep hiring them?
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 27 2017 16:46 GMT
#5532
replay from the opening goal: https://streamable.com/z4rjf

Can't really justify that handball non call tbh
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 16:58:35
May 27 2017 16:58 GMT
#5533
it is funny cause all the chelsea players just stop playing thinking that the play will be stopped. why dont u play UNTIL u hear the whistle? probably could've stopped it if they did that
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
May 27 2017 17:06 GMT
#5534
Where was this Arsenal the entire season ?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 27 2017 17:08 GMT
#5535
On May 28 2017 02:06 Faruko wrote:
Where was this Arsenal the entire season ?

Were they this good in the first half of their 3-0 win in October, I only remember schadenfreude?
Anyway they are wasting far too many chances and will haunt them sooner or later...
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28864 Posts
May 27 2017 17:09 GMT
#5536
They've had good moments all season, they just defend like junior players when stuff gets tense and important. Give them 60 more minutes to show what they're made of.
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zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
May 27 2017 17:11 GMT
#5537
On May 28 2017 01:42 warding wrote:
There isn't a huge account of money in football because of rich bajillionaires - that sort of thinking belongs in the past decade. There's a huge amount of money in football because that's one of the few remaining types of entertainment content people are willing to pay to watch live.

When agents get huge % of transfers it's usually because they helped finance early transfers of those players, or invested in the players themselves. In these cases they're acting as financial intermediaries to the benefit of smaller clubs and the players. If agents are so bad then why do players keep hiring them?


Because knowing how to manage big bucks =/= knowing how to play football? Fiscal optimisation/evasion is difficult, rare are the people with the network necessary to manage funds.
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
May 27 2017 17:22 GMT
#5538
Thoroughly deserved 1-0 lead, should have been 2, could have been 3. Hope that doesn't come back to bite them next half.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 27 2017 17:25 GMT
#5539
Shouldn't goal be offside too? Courtois came out to close down the angle but Ramsey was somewhat in the way and distracting...
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 27 2017 17:29 GMT
#5540
On May 28 2017 02:25 DucK- wrote:
Shouldn't goal be offside too? Courtois came out to close down the angle but Ramsey was somewhat in the way and distracting...

He did, but he stopped interfering long enough before Sanchez comes in to shoot, non call on offside is within the rules I think.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
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