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Pandemona
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Yeah i heard that this could be a blood bath from Feyenoord, be interesting if they were like docked 3 points and lost league to Ajax cuz of all the fighting and havoc they would wreak tonight after that loss | ||
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RvB
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On May 07 2017 23:15 Ysellian wrote: I wish I wasn't a feyenoord fan right now... pathetic display. Pandemona Chelsea have any vacancies for fans? Good time to be an Ajax fan  . I don't think it matters though. Next week Feyenoord plays at home, where they're very strong, and vs Heracles. Excelsior has always been pretty tough for Feyenoord iirc. | ||
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Pandemona
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On May 08 2017 01:49 sharkie wrote: Whoever could have believed that Arsenal's and Wenger's worst season is the season he finally beats Mourinho and Chelsea? haha Beat Chelsea 1 time!!!!!! Which we will get revenge for on May 27th | ||
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On May 08 2017 01:16 Dante08 wrote: If United lose this game which we probably will, top 4 race is over and time for us to focus on Europa. Interestingly Arsenal might still have a chance assuming they win their 2 games in hand and will only be 1 point behind Liverpool. mou gave up on top 4 after swansea draw, or so he says. he did rest a lot of players though so seems it wasnt just mind games | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 07 2017 22:22 Pandemona wrote: Players don't win titles by themselves. Di Matteo and Chelsea had lost Charity Shield, Super Cup, and were out of CL, on a poor form. If you don't want to credit the manager for the successes, you can't discredit him either.Naa the players who won champions league 12 months before, won that title he was just at the helm making awful decisions causing huge rift in Chelsea football club. Not playing JT, causing fans to not even go to games in protest, making us turn on our beloved Roman! He was awful and nearly ruined our club! Di Matteo took over from Villa-Boas and won 5, drew 3, and lost 3 in the league in 11 PL matches, and although doing better at 7-3-2 as he was fully hired, they were on a poor run of form. In total in PL he had 12-6-5 in 23 matches, making it 1.82 pts per game. Chelsea ended at 6th position in the League from the joint Villas-Boas/Di Matteo venture, but won CL and FA. Rafa Benitez had 15-6-5 in 26, making it 1.96 pts per game, and secured a title for Chelsea, and ended 3rd in the league, 3 pts behind City, and 4 more points than Chelsea had, when they got 2nd in 10/11. So much for awful and nearly ruining the club. | ||
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Dracolich70
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On May 08 2017 14:44 zeo wrote: Rafa had a win percentage of 58.3% at Chelsea with no influence of what players came in. Villas Boas had 47.5%, Scolari had 55.6%. Neither won anything, and were sacked not even a year into their tenure. Villas Boas got Chelsea outside Top 4, and Scolari was pos 4. Benitez got Chelsea in 3rd place with a EL title to boot.Just stopping by to say Rafa Benitez was indeed the worst manager Chelsea Football club ever had. No contest. So much for no contest. Thanks for stopping by. | ||
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lprk
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On May 08 2017 15:11 Dracolich70 wrote: Rafa had a win percentage of 58.3% at Chelsea with no influence of what players came in. Villas Boas had 47.5%, Scolari had 55.6%. Neither won anything, and were sacked not even a year into their tenure. Villas Boas got Chelsea outside Top 4, and Scolari was pos 4. Benitez got Chelsea in 3rd place with a EL title to boot. So much for no contest. Thanks for stopping by. And thats ignoring the fact that Chelsea existed in irrelevancy for 98 years before being bought by Abramoich. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On May 08 2017 13:54 Dracolich70 wrote: Players don't win titles by themselves. Di Matteo and Chelsea had lost Charity Shield, Super Cup, and were out of CL, on a poor form. If you don't want to credit the manager for the successes, you can't discredit him either. Di Matteo took over from Villa-Boas and won 5, drew 3, and lost 3 in the league in 11 PL matches, and although doing better at 7-3-2 as he was fully hired, they were on a poor run of form. In total in PL he had 12-6-5 in 23 matches, making it 1.82 pts per game. Chelsea ended at 6th position in the League from the joint Villas-Boas/Di Matteo venture, but won CL and FA. Rafa Benitez had 15-6-5 in 26, making it 1.96 pts per game, and secured a title for Chelsea, and ended 3rd in the league, 3 pts behind City, and 4 more points than Chelsea had, when they got 2nd in 10/11. So much for awful and nearly ruining the club. Yeah lets take a step back. Di Matteo wasn't the greatest manager of all time no one is saying that, i didn't say he was the best i said we hated Rafa because he is a terrible manager and nearly ruined our club period. We had our lowest recorded attendance pre 1990 under Rafa in a Europa League game at 20 thousand something, fans were in disbelief that this baboon was managing us after all the crap he said about us. He benched our greatest player and the best centre back in England and tried to push him out another way to stump his legacy of trying to kill the club. Fans at Chelsea don't think we are owed any success at all, we are very content with what we have won so far and when Rafa replaced the legend Di Matteo who won us the biggest competition no one was happy at all. Rafa won us the micky mouse cup which anyone who drops into from Champions League should walk if they think they are a big team. We played such awful teams that Torres managed to bag 20 goals that season which sums up the Europa League. Oh and please when a manager loses the Club World Cup in charge of the European representative you are not a good manager! Roman Abramovich was getting so much stick that season, he had to make meetings with fans who were protesting around games and all disgruntled to tell them Mourinho was coming back. These meetings were the reason it didn't go that bad but not everyone believed the selected few that got to sit in with him, but we all know it was true as Mourinho returned. On May 08 2017 16:07 lprk wrote: And thats ignoring the fact that Chelsea existed in irrelevancy for 98 years before being bought by Abramoich. Hmm pretty sure thats not true, we won the league back in 1955 but the England FA blocked us form entering the first ever European cup as they said it would be worthless or we could have had a European title to our name as well! We won 3 FA cups before he arrived, 70/97/2000. 2 Carling cups 65 & 98. Won 2 European trophies in the old Europa league aka Cup Winners cup when it wasn't a piece of shit of having every european league put a team no one's heard of etc. Think in the 90s and early 00s we had 4 world player of the years playing for us and could attract so much. Also when we were irrelevant we beat Fergies champions league winning Yanited 5-0 at home pretty irrelevant club!On May 08 2017 15:11 Dracolich70 wrote: Rafa had a win percentage of 58.3% at Chelsea with no influence of what players came in. Villas Boas had 47.5%, Scolari had 55.6%. Neither won anything, and were sacked not even a year into their tenure. Villas Boas got Chelsea outside Top 4, and Scolari was pos 4. Benitez got Chelsea in 3rd place with a EL title to boot. So much for no contest. Thanks for stopping by. The EUROPA LEAGUE. Is about as good as winning a sports day against Children, especially back then when it didn't even give you a place in Champions league next season. Sevilla also "dominated" that competition safe to say yeah? After we won it they won it for the next several years, they did well when they got into Champions league didn't they....lost to the mighty Leicester and crashed out. Anyway back to the lord and savior Rafa Benitez, when you have a guy every single Chelsea fan despises for what he has said in the past, what he has physically done to Chelsea with his ghost goal Champions league win we were not his biggest fan. He got the whole stadium to be awful in atmosphere he also had the worst start as manager PERIOD under Roman Abramovich and caused unrest everywhere. We were singing we don't Rafa Benitez in the stands long before he arrived (before getting Di Matteo) and as soon as he arrived they continued even after winning the Europa League. He the main reason why he nearly ruined our club was because he caused us to question the clubs heirachy, no one wanted that man, no one, he was a satan in all our eyes. Yet the club KNEW this and went and hired him, all be it they tried to cover it over as they called him INTERIM and knew he wouldn't be there past that summer but still he was there and the clubs fans did not want him. We started to question the board and think well hold on a minute, they know we don't like him and still hired him.....they don't care what we think now? Do they not listen, are we now mere puppets and the club we love has gone etc etc. That is what Rafa bought to our club along with medicore results, terrible Japanese adventure in the club world cup and a 3rd place premier league finish. | ||
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Dracolich70
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On May 08 2017 16:57 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lets take a step back. Actually you didn't say you hated him, you went on about he was awful and accredited the title won to the players, referring to the season prior, hence I used that; football. You did also talk about how he dared to bench John Terry.Di Matteo wasn't the greatest manager of all time no one is saying that, i didn't say he was the best i said we hated Rafa because he is a terrible manager and nearly ruined our club period. We had our lowest recorded attendance pre 1990 under Rafa in a Europa League game at 20 thousand something, fans were in disbelief that this baboon was managing us after all the crap he said about us. He benched our greatest player and the best centre back in England and tried to push him out another way to stump his legacy of trying to kill the club. Fans at Chelsea don't think we are owed any success at all, we are very content with what we have won so far and when Rafa replaced the legend Di Matteo who won us the biggest competition no one was happy at all. Rafa won us the micky mouse cup which anyone who drops into from Champions League should walk if they think they are a big team. We played such awful teams that Torres managed to bag 20 goals that season which sums up the Europa League. Oh and please when a manager loses the Club World Cup in charge of the European representative you are not a good manager! Roman Abramovich was getting so much stick that season, he had to make meetings with fans who were protesting around games and all disgruntled to tell them Mourinho was coming back. These meetings were the reason it didn't go that bad but not everyone believed the selected few that got to sit in with him, but we all know it was true as Mourinho returned. Now you are focused on talking about terrible attendence, which speaks more about the supporters than Rafa, so if anyone were ruining the club, it must have been them. What he has said, I am sure was when he managed LFC, a club he lead to 2 CL finals, winning one. So just like you say, it is more on Abramovic, if anyone, for bringing someone in trying to steady a ship(which he did), that once manage a rival. All this is another thing entirely, and have nothing to do with his job as a manager, and how well he did. He should be applauded for being willing to forget the past, and help out Chelsea, when in need. Club world cup is not rated very highly in Europe. He had also only been in charge for less than a month, and still trying to get his ideas across. Corinthians were not a bad team, won Copa Libertadores undefeated, and Recopa Sudamericana 6 months later, and they take CWC more seriously. He did win with Inter, though. You have no evidence that he was a bad manager, in fact I twarted it decisively, and all you have left is bitter supporters, not supporting the team, although he still managed to win EL, and get Chelsea back into Top 4 with more points than in 2010/11. Rafa also won La Liga with Valencia, and made LFC the most frequent team to make it to quarterfinals or better in CL during his tenure. Awful manager... On May 08 2017 16:57 Pandemona wrote:The EUROPA LEAGUE. Is about as good as winning a sports day against Children, especially back then when it didn't even give you a place in Champions league next season. Sevilla also "dominated" that competition safe to say yeah? After we won it they won it for the next several years, they did well when they got into Champions league didn't they....lost to the mighty Leicester and crashed out. Anyway back to the lord and savior Rafa Benitez, when you have a guy every single Chelsea fan despises for what he has said in the past, what he has physically done to Chelsea with his ghost goal Champions league win we were not his biggest fan. He got the whole stadium to be awful in atmosphere he also had the worst start as manager PERIOD under Roman Abramovich and caused unrest everywhere. We were singing we don't Rafa Benitez in the stands long before he arrived (before getting Di Matteo) and as soon as he arrived they continued even after winning the Europa League. He the main reason why he nearly ruined our club was because he caused us to question the clubs heirachy, no one wanted that man, no one, he was a satan in all our eyes. Yet the club KNEW this and went and hired him, all be it they tried to cover it over as they called him INTERIM and knew he wouldn't be there past that summer but still he was there and the clubs fans did not want him. We started to question the board and think well hold on a minute, they know we don't like him and still hired him.....they don't care what we think now? Do they not listen, are we now mere puppets and the club we love has gone etc etc. That is what Rafa bought to our club along with medicore results, terrible Japanese adventure in the club world cup and a 3rd place premier league finish. It was not his fault that Chelsea went out of CL, that was on Di Matteo. Winning is still better than not winning it, and goes against the argument he is bad.A sports day against children? Sevilla did very well winning it 3 times in a row. Leicester won the PL, and was on a good run after sacking Ranieri. Unai Emery is now in PSG. Even if he got a bad start(which started with a win after Di Matteo had 2 wins in last 8 games), he steadied the boat, and got 3rd in the league. A team that had gotten 6th the season before. I understand this is more about you not liking him, but that is not really about football, now is it? It just shows the level of the supporters of Chelsea, who disavows even Mourinho due to one bad season, after all he has done in the club. | ||
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Pandemona
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I also stated that he turned the fans onto the board with his signing for us as no one wanted him, we sang for him to resign multiple times, we cheered the last game of the season when we knew he wasn't coming back. The whole season we were just thankful for DiMatteo and then we were all happy again once Mourinho returned and fixed everything. You also state pointless facts like wow Rafa made you finish 3rd place in the league with points higher than from a 2010-11 season. Wow amazing, that same season saw Ancelotti get fired for that, good feat beating his points marker by 4 in which DiMatteo had already beaten both Spurs and Arsenal away before he came. | ||
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Dracolich70
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On May 08 2017 18:19 Pandemona wrote: And I argued your points, and you left them, and now you do it again, as if it didn't happen.I never said anything other than Rafa was crap for us and the players we had won us that Europa League which is fact. Our players were tenfold better than what we were playing against at the time again a fact. Even the glorious Torres was finding the net in that competition, winning it for us was inevitable. I also stated that he turned the fans onto the board with his signing for us as no one wanted him, we sang for him to resign multiple times, we cheered the last game of the season when we knew he wasn't coming back. The whole season we were just thankful for DiMatteo and then we were all happy again once Mourinho returned and fixed everything. You also state pointless facts like wow Rafa made you finish 3rd place in the league with points higher than from a 2010-11 season. Wow amazing, that same season saw Ancelotti get fired for that, good feat beating his points marker by 4 in which DiMatteo had already beaten both Spurs and Arsenal away before he came. Torres had been horrible since joining from LFC. Now he got reaquinted with Rafa, who made him into a superstar at LFC. These things are effects of managers. Hopefully you also accredit Conte for his work and accomplishments, even if most of the players were not his, and they had won the league only two seasons ago. Supporters support. Fans don't decide who is hired or not. They just pay to watch football, by the choices of the club. If they don't support, of course they can't take anything from winning. If you stay away, or boo against the manager you are hurting your own team. But again, it is not Rafas fault he got hired. He was willing to help Chelsea out, after they sacked Di Matteo after 12 matches, and him losing Charity Shield, Super cup and the early exit from CL, and Rafa did a competent job, steadying the ship, got Chelsea back into top 4, and won EL. The mark of a very good manager, when he comes in 1/3 into the season. It was the season Chelsea got 2nd, so 4 points more, is pretty good. Di Matteo had a great start to the season, just like I said, but then it dipped, and they lost 2(Utd and WBA) and drew two(LFC and Swansea) and in the league, and the early exit was the final nail in the coffin for Abramovic. I am not saying it was fair on Di Matteo, but Rafa got a better point average as I showed. Rafa didn't nearly ruin the club, and he is a very good manager, not awful or terrible. The End. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On May 08 2017 18:58 Dracolich70 wrote: And I argued your points, and you left them, and now you do it again, as if it didn't happen. Torres had been horrible since joining from LFC. Now he got reaquinted with Rafa, who made him into a superstar at LFC. These things are effects of managers. Hopefully you also accredit Conte for his work and accomplishments, even if most of the players were not his, and they had won the league only two seasons ago. Supporters support. Fans don't decide who is hired or not. They just pay to watch football, by the choices of the club. If they don't support, of course they can't take anything from winning. If you stay away, or boo against the manager you are hurting your own team. But again, it is not Rafas fault he got hired. He was willing to help Chelsea out, after they sacked Di Matteo after 12 matches, and him losing Charity Shield, Super cup and the early exit from CL, and Rafa did a competent job, steadying the ship, got Chelsea back into top 4, and won EL. The mark of a very good manager, when he comes in 1/3 into the season. It was the season Chelsea got 2nd, so 4 points more, is pretty good. Di Matteo had a great start to the season, just like I said, but then it dipped, and they lost 2(Utd and WBA) and drew two(LFC and Swansea) and in the league, and the early exit was the final nail in the coffin for Abramovic. I am not saying it was fair on Di Matteo, but Rafa got a better point average as I showed. Rafa didn't nearly ruin the club, and he is a very good manager, not awful or terrible. The End. he was just at the helm making awful decisions causing huge rift in Chelsea football club Is what i said, this is what Chelsea fans think, this is all we care about. Roman has made 2 awful decisions in his time at Chelsea, the worst that hurt and displeased the Chelsea faithful is hiring Rafa Benitez into which our beloved Gus Hiddink could have done the same job quite comfortably or at the matter of fact any other manager. Instead he chose the man who has said; ‘Chelsea is a big club with fantastic players, every manager wants to coach a such a big team, But I would never take that job, in respect for my former team at Liverpool, no matter what. For me there is only club in England, and that’s Liverpool' So why did he rock up at Stamford bridge all smiles and what not? Because it was an easy job to get his name back out there and to say hey look at me i got top 4 and a sub par european troffie. This is what made him our worst manager ever, he turned Stamford Bridge into a cauldron of hate towards the board and the owner. There isn't a Chelsea fan in the world who would say that Rafa was not the worst manager in our clubs history. No one cares for facts of what he has done or how many glorious points per game he had, the fact that a man can say all the shit he did against us then rock up at the club all smiles is beyond belief. | ||
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This weekend was huge in English football but mostly for clubs at the bottom. The pashion in the Liberty stadium was crazy. Sunderlands performance to sink Hull's recent momentum was unexpected. But to hear their already religated fans cheer like that was great too. Recently it has felt a little bit like Premier League clubs are having a compertion to play the most dreary football in the grandest stadium possible. The Olympic Stadium, Anfield and Old Trafford are spectaular venues you can go to with a guarantee of watching boring football these days and even Arsenal who's fans have clung onto we play the most exciting football for years have been putting their fans to sleep recently. At some point all the cash flying around will be spent on players actually worth the money. Arsenal must take most of the blame for United Vs Arsenal been dull. Mourinho told us excatly what he ws going to do well in advanced and Arsenal where at home needing the win. The championship survival last day was pretty crazy Birmingham, Forest and Blackburn all big clubs fallen on hard times scrapping so hard to not be the one that goes down. The coin landed Rovers side down. There's interesting stuff going on in the Asian Champions League at least the half of it I care about. (seriously either intergrate the league properlly or just be done with it and have an East Asian League and a West) There is a Thai side topping thier group with one game to go which I can't remeber ever happening before. Good luck to them! and the normally dominant Korean sides are all either out or need a result from their final game. Jeonbuk of course not allowed in the tournment this year because they keep trying to bribe match officals in games they probablly would have won anyway (stupid, stupid, stupid). Exeter City some how finished 5th and are going to the play offs after been in the relegation zone after 10 games. The Tisdale out brigade can do one. He only last untill Wenger goes to be the longest serving manager in English football. Plymouth and Portsmouth going up, South coast on the rise. edit: Oh yeah I forgot the big game. Tittle is Chelsea's that probably deserves a mention. Congratulations Chelsea. No idea if that game undemines my claim that West Ham have been boring this year. I didn't see it. | ||
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