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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 12:26:59
June 02 2015 12:26 GMT
#41
Right now, I'm pretty sure that pretty much every West team that made the playoffs (and a couple that didn't, looking @ you Thunder) could beat the Cavs as they are now. At full strength, I'd say the Pels could probably even take a couple games off the Cavs (though hypothetically-realistically it'd more likely be one). The only real shred of evidence is that they broke Atlanta's win streak and the last couple games of regular season.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 02 2015 18:46 GMT
#42
Oh come on. I think the Cavs are going to be run off the floor but you're being ridiculous. I think Golden State is clearly better, and probably LAC and San Antonio, but Houston and Memphis are arguable. Beyond that, Portland is unlikely and Dallas, New Orleans, and OKC are just absurd.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
June 03 2015 00:12 GMT
#43
Cavs beat everyone except Spurs and GS.
We decide our own destiny
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 03 2015 05:17 GMT
#44
On June 03 2015 03:46 AgentW wrote:
Oh come on. I think the Cavs are going to be run off the floor but you're being ridiculous. I think Golden State is clearly better, and probably LAC and San Antonio, but Houston and Memphis are arguable. Beyond that, Portland is unlikely and Dallas, New Orleans, and OKC are just absurd.


I actually think Houston would have been a nightmare matchup for the Cavs. Healthy Dwight would have obliterated them with Lebron shooting so poorly from outside. Their offense would have just died.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 05:36:04
June 03 2015 05:34 GMT
#45
On June 01 2015 19:29 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 11:58 Ace wrote:
Clippers, SA, Houston, and Memphis all would have walked through the East and stomped the Cavs on the way too. Only one I could see an argument against is Memphis.

On June 01 2015 11:56 OkMong wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:09 AgentW wrote:
They're the best defensive team in the league, and were just barely the second best offensive team in the league. Conversely, Cleveland was like the fifth best offensive team, but like 20th on defense. Furthermore, LeBron can't shoot a jumper if his life depended on it as of this moment, Love is out, and Irving is most likely still going to be hampered and likely can't defend Curry in the first place. I haven't a clue how the Cavs plan to defend Green with Thompson, and Kerr is a superior coach to Blatt. Last, Cleveland's offense has devolved into LeBron isos into drive and kicks, and the Dubs are by far the best defensive team that they'll have faced, which means that he likely won't be able to kick to open shooters nearly as easily.

Warriors in 5.

EDIT: I'd also reject the notion that these two were the best teams. I may still put the Clippers or San Antonio ahead of Cleveland in their current form.

You're using regular season record. PO record has Cavaliers as the best defensive team. Thompson and Mozgov have given opposing front court players hell the entire playoffs, I don't think Green would be a problem. In fact, this finals will expose the warriors interior. Lebron isos have evolved so much this year. He has become more comfortable and prolific with 15-18-foot post up plays that end either with him dominating the defender (which I think he will do with Thompson, Igoudala, or Green) or kicking out for open shots. This routine alone, along with Mozgov and Thompson, will shred the Warriors defense to pieces.


Gotta go by something like playoff Point Differential or SRS to know the true strength of teams, The Cavs aren't even close to the Warriors in anything with the exception of OREBs. Thompson and Mozgov aren't going to see the court once Kerr plays small with Barnes/Green/Iggy permutations in the front court. Lebron at the 4 - a regular season weapon is no longer an option vs GS. Lebron is having the 3rd worst post season of his career. They'll let him shoot.

Re: They'll let LeBron shoot:

I've heard the idea floated that the Warriors will let LeBron drive as many times as he wants and just blanket everyone else. I don't know if that will work because he's basically a free two points if you don't double him on the block but they might play into his ego and let him chuck. Could also exhaust him. Would definitely be interesting to see.

They can still send well timed swipes against LeBron in the post even if they don't explicitly double. GS could go small but, conversely, the Cavs could force GS to go big if GS is really getting killed on the glass, which will basically have to happen if the Cavs hope to win.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
June 03 2015 12:24 GMT
#46
Big key in this series will be Shump, Smith (~40%) and Delly's (36%) outside shooting. Both have shot really well from range and Lebron's drive and kick game is giving them a lot of open looks.

I think they'll try funnel Lebron to Bogut and cover the three aggressively. Mozgov and Thompson will probably score above their averages this series because LeBron will find them on occasion but GS will be happier for Mozgov to average 16 or so a game if they can defend the three and make Lebron work hard.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
June 03 2015 19:50 GMT
#47
On June 03 2015 21:24 RowdierBob wrote:
Big key in this series will be Shump, Smith (~40%) and Delly's (36%) outside shooting. Both have shot really well from range and Lebron's drive and kick game is giving them a lot of open looks.

I think they'll try funnel Lebron to Bogut and cover the three aggressively. Mozgov and Thompson will probably score above their averages this series because LeBron will find them on occasion but GS will be happier for Mozgov to average 16 or so a game if they can defend the three and make Lebron work hard.

You think GS will give Bogut significant minutes? If so that's good news about the productivity of Mozgov and Thompson on the boards against pace-and-space lineup.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
June 03 2015 23:18 GMT
#48
It'll depend on cirumstances. Bogues will play about 30 mins a game this series with small ball filling the gaps.

I think it would be a mistake by the Cavs to go too much small ball. GS is really good when small vs small.

Bogut will make things a lot tougher for LeBron in the paint where he has done most damage these playoffs.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 03 2015 23:54 GMT
#49
On June 03 2015 14:17 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 03:46 AgentW wrote:
Oh come on. I think the Cavs are going to be run off the floor but you're being ridiculous. I think Golden State is clearly better, and probably LAC and San Antonio, but Houston and Memphis are arguable. Beyond that, Portland is unlikely and Dallas, New Orleans, and OKC are just absurd.


I actually think Houston would have been a nightmare matchup for the Cavs. Healthy Dwight would have obliterated them with Lebron shooting so poorly from outside. Their offense would have just died.

That's a point in Memphis's favor as well.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
June 04 2015 16:21 GMT
#50
Hyped up!
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 19:52:04
June 04 2015 19:48 GMT
#51
threesus shall deliver unto the cavs a can of whoooopassssss.

On June 02 2015 21:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
Right now, I'm pretty sure that pretty much every West team that made the playoffs (and a couple that didn't, looking @ you Thunder) could beat the Cavs as they are now. At full strength, I'd say the Pels could probably even take a couple games off the Cavs (though hypothetically-realistically it'd more likely be one). The only real shred of evidence is that they broke Atlanta's win streak and the last couple games of regular season.


i'd favor spurs, clippers, and gsw over even a full strength cavs for sure. maybe even memphis considering they can actually score the ball unlike chicago. it's sad how after the craziness of spurs-clips these playoffs have been pretty one sided (not including clippers self destructing to preserve cp3's second round streak). i want a competitive finals but i think it will be 4-1 or 4-2 for gsw.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 22:28:44
June 04 2015 22:26 GMT
#52
On June 04 2015 08:54 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 14:17 Ace wrote:
On June 03 2015 03:46 AgentW wrote:
Oh come on. I think the Cavs are going to be run off the floor but you're being ridiculous. I think Golden State is clearly better, and probably LAC and San Antonio, but Houston and Memphis are arguable. Beyond that, Portland is unlikely and Dallas, New Orleans, and OKC are just absurd.


I actually think Houston would have been a nightmare matchup for the Cavs. Healthy Dwight would have obliterated them with Lebron shooting so poorly from outside. Their offense would have just died.

That's a point in Memphis's favor as well.


True, but Memphis doesn't have the transition offense of Houston so I didn't make them as "obvious" a winner. They'd probably beat the Cavs if two of their wing players showed up.

ETA: In terms of SRS from just the regular season this is looking like 80s Celtics vs Rockets Finals, and even worse than 07 Spurs vs Cavs. Once again, Cavs winning TWO games would be a huge upset imo.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 05 2015 00:49 GMT
#53
On June 05 2015 07:26 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 08:54 AgentW wrote:
On June 03 2015 14:17 Ace wrote:
On June 03 2015 03:46 AgentW wrote:
Oh come on. I think the Cavs are going to be run off the floor but you're being ridiculous. I think Golden State is clearly better, and probably LAC and San Antonio, but Houston and Memphis are arguable. Beyond that, Portland is unlikely and Dallas, New Orleans, and OKC are just absurd.


I actually think Houston would have been a nightmare matchup for the Cavs. Healthy Dwight would have obliterated them with Lebron shooting so poorly from outside. Their offense would have just died.

That's a point in Memphis's favor as well.


True, but Memphis doesn't have the transition offense of Houston so I didn't make them as "obvious" a winner. They'd probably beat the Cavs if two of their wing players showed up.

ETA: In terms of SRS from just the regular season this is looking like 80s Celtics vs Rockets Finals, and even worse than 07 Spurs vs Cavs. Once again, Cavs winning TWO games would be a huge upset imo.

i believe the biggest SRS underdog win were hakeems 2 championships. cant really think of any other

imo cavs would give memphis a good run. spurs, rockets and clips i would take over cavs though, or be very close
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 05 2015 00:52 GMT
#54
HYPED!
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
June 05 2015 00:58 GMT
#55
I Have 150$ on the dubs. Hope it's a safe bet
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 05 2015 01:05 GMT
#56
On June 05 2015 09:58 whatisthisasheep wrote:
I Have 150$ on the dubs. Hope it's a safe bet

Series or tonight's game? Spread or no? If series, what odds did you get?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 05 2015 01:05 GMT
#57
Haha, the way this anthem is sung is always so ridiculous. Over there in Europe when people sing like this, it's usually a parody of the USA :D.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
June 05 2015 01:11 GMT
#58
Gogo CAVS!
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 05 2015 01:16 GMT
#59
Refs really letting them play. Bogut was absolutely giving it to Mozgov a few possessions ago.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 05 2015 01:19 GMT
#60
dat bogut
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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