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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#81
So, I lifted over 7 space shuttles worth of plates in 2014 (excluding warmup sets). That's up from just 1.5 space shuttles in 2013. Knee rehab paid off!

https://www.fitocracy.com/yearly-performance/2014/Zatic/
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mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
January 13 2015 20:22 GMT
#82
2 week started.

1st week lost 2kg and 1% BF
No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
January 13 2015 20:46 GMT
#83
I sincerely doubt you lost 2kg and 1% bf unless you are extremely active and starving yourself. That'd be a 14,000 calorie deficit in a week. Lots of things like water weight and what not will contribute to weight swings, weigh yourself at the same time everyday and keep track of how your weight is trending. I can easily swing 2kg day to day, doesn't mean I gained/lost any fat or muscle.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5427 Posts
January 14 2015 00:02 GMT
#84
Gonna just start using straps for my heaviest deadlift and row sets. Also on pullups cause I suck at them and the stupid grip on them rips my hands apart. >_<

I don't have many goals for myself this year. Beginning in March I won't be lifting until probably August or so, since my wife and I are doing a 4.5 month trip through south east Asia and Europe. Then back to Canada in mid-July. I imagine it will be a few weeks to get settled and find a place to live before I can start lifting again.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 01:14:44
January 14 2015 01:14 GMT
#85
On January 14 2015 05:46 decafchicken wrote:
I sincerely doubt you lost 2kg and 1% bf unless you are extremely active and starving yourself. That'd be a 14,000 calorie deficit in a week. Lots of things like water weight and what not will contribute to weight swings, weigh yourself at the same time everyday and keep track of how your weight is trending. I can easily swing 2kg day to day, doesn't mean I gained/lost any fat or muscle.


It's possible that he did it. It's not impossible for a 200+ lb person to manipulate their body drastically within a week. Maintaining that weight loss and keeping it off, however, are much much harder. Yeah he probably lost a lot of water, and yeah it's doubtful for other reasons (i.e. he doesn't seem very muscular) but this calorie counting logic is not only unhelpful, it's bad science. You can't just translate calorie deficits into pounds of fat; metabolism is far more complicated than that. As much as pseudo-scientists and engineers like to do mass-balances on diet plans and fat loss, the empirical evidence always, always, always shows that it works otherwise.

If he lost 2kg and 1% bf, he is claiming to have lost approximately 1 kg worth of fat (based on ~94kg bodyweight), the rest being water or other. I know that I could lose 2 lbs of fat in a week if I wanted to.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 14 2015 01:14 GMT
#86
Training has been going exceptionally well lately. I've changed a few things:

Added abs and back exercises usually employed by weight lifters at the end of sessions.
Doing high bar squats full olympic style (gonna do low bar on separate day as a different exercise)
Improved leg and glute recruitment in the deadlift.
Added paused front and regular squats.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
January 14 2015 04:39 GMT
#87
Noticed at the gym today that barely anyone actually stretches :|
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 14 2015 05:00 GMT
#88
Stretching is bad for you. True facts. Ask Kelley Starrett.

But seriously, you should be doing most "stretching" outside of the gym, not before you lift. 10-20 minutes of warm up and mobility exercises are best.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
January 14 2015 05:34 GMT
#89
I don't see why you absolutely have to stretch outside of the gym, sounds like a silly and rigid notion. Also, when I see these bulky, inflexible bodies I just shake my head.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 14 2015 05:46 GMT
#90
What bulky inflexible bodies?

You don't do static stretches in the gym because it reduces power output and makes you more susceptible to certain injuries while not really improving your resistance to injury in any way.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
January 14 2015 05:54 GMT
#91
Is that actually documented fact? I would like to read up on it.

And almost everyone I see that works out a ton has a bulky, inflexible body. As someone who used to play badminton and dance I certainly don't want that to happen to me so I try to make it a thing to stretch (but some times when I'm working out with my friends who never stretch I don't get to spend as much time stretching and it annoys me).
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 14 2015 06:09 GMT
#92
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/08/stretching-before-workouts-makes-you.html

Bottom line: Irrespective of the last-mentioned problems, the take home message from this and previous studies would be the same for all strength athletes who don't just walk into the gym, crank out a single max set and head home again - Refrain from performing any kind of quasi-static stretching protocol before your workout - and don't forget to look at the study population the next time you see one of the rare studies on resistance training ;-)

http://www.ergo-log.com/static-muscle-stretching-before-training-reduces-maximal-strength.html

Obvious.

http://www.brianmac.co.uk/articles/article027.htm

Article on stretching from random site.

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/12/exercise-round-up-hiit-prevents-angina.html

Stretching blunts acute IGF-1 response and 10 week strength gains (8RM test) (Borges. 2012) -- Now, hormonal responses to exercise are certainly not everything, the fact that the non-stretchers (OST) did yet also gain significantly more strength on the bench (19% vs. 7% and 5% in the static stretching during warm-up (SBST) and the stretching before each set (SDST) groups, respectively), the leg press, leg extensions and leg curls should yet call your attention, Mr. and Mrs. "I am so freaking professional that I stretch in between every set" maniacs - after 10 weeks of training the guy next to you who sticks to a handful of warm-up sets for injury prevention is going to outperform you.

Remember this is not about not warming up and making sure that you don't hurt yourself, it's just even more more evidence that the die-hard belief that static stretches are beneficial (which was btw. also the research hypothesis of the Portuguese and Brazilian scientists) is dated text book knowledge.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
January 14 2015 06:33 GMT
#93
Interesting. As far as injury prevention goes, three years ago when I was a lot more focused on working out, I injured my neck pretty badly and the doctor said it was because my shoulders were way too stiff and it was somehow harming my neck. Back then I had stopped stretching and just did warm-up reps before every workout. Nowadays if I don't take the time to stretch my shoulders/neck I can actually feel my neck going out of wack again, so I make it a point to stretch before I work out, and it has the added benefit of making sure I'm relatively flexible.

I don't care about getting bulky or super strong, I'm really just working out to gain some strength and get toned again.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 07:15:02
January 14 2015 07:03 GMT
#94
You should definitely warm up and keep your mobility in check. I'm just saying that static stretching to lengthen muscle bodies should be done after a workout or when not in the gym.

Also I'm not saying your doctor is wrong, but doctors usually don't know shit about weightlifting. Even orthopedics.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 13:03:59
January 14 2015 13:01 GMT
#95
hey man Im just posting the results I got. I did not weight myself at the same time as last week. for BF I used a Omron Body Fat Loss Monitor.

Im sure you are right that this isnt 100% accurate, but again Im just posting what the numbers show nothing more nothing less.

on food Im just following a low GI table pretty strictly
No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 14 2015 13:16 GMT
#96
I kinda feel like I have to do hamstring stretches after my warmup or I simply won't be able to squat. My body is the definition of inflexible.

But the no-no only applies to static stretches amirite, dynamic i.e. bouncy are still OK?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
January 14 2015 15:14 GMT
#97
Yeah dynamic is fine. Just do whatever mobility stuff you need to do your workout to the best of your ability. If you do some static stretching it's not like your strength with evaporate and the next barbell you touch will kill you. Just don't over do it and stick mostly to dynamic stuff pre workout.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 14 2015 15:25 GMT
#98
Hey guys, not sure if this is the right place to ask but I'm looking for easy post work out protein sources. I'm not investing in powder right now and the gym buddy i'm going with works out late so i get home at like 11:30pm. I stare through my fridge for a while then end up eating peanut butter and/or cold cuts or if i'm lucky left over meat from diner. I guess i'm looking for a miracle snack to eat with, like, no preparation time that's okay ~1hr before bed. would i be better frying up a few eggs or something like that? if I cook a bunch of chicken in advance and reheat it at night would that be best? is a shake really that much better?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 14 2015 16:07 GMT
#99
On January 14 2015 15:33 Souma wrote:
Interesting. As far as injury prevention goes, three years ago when I was a lot more focused on working out, I injured my neck pretty badly and the doctor said it was because my shoulders were way too stiff and it was somehow harming my neck. Back then I had stopped stretching and just did warm-up reps before every workout. Nowadays if I don't take the time to stretch my shoulders/neck I can actually feel my neck going out of wack again, so I make it a point to stretch before I work out, and it has the added benefit of making sure I'm relatively flexible.

I don't care about getting bulky or super strong, I'm really just working out to gain some strength and get toned again.

In line with what Igne is saying, I think the ideal situation is that you've done adequate mobility work outside of gym time so that when you do want to perform at the gym a warm up is all you need.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 14 2015 16:16 GMT
#100
On January 15 2015 01:07 mordek wrote:
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On January 14 2015 15:33 Souma wrote:
Interesting. As far as injury prevention goes, three years ago when I was a lot more focused on working out, I injured my neck pretty badly and the doctor said it was because my shoulders were way too stiff and it was somehow harming my neck. Back then I had stopped stretching and just did warm-up reps before every workout. Nowadays if I don't take the time to stretch my shoulders/neck I can actually feel my neck going out of wack again, so I make it a point to stretch before I work out, and it has the added benefit of making sure I'm relatively flexible.

I don't care about getting bulky or super strong, I'm really just working out to gain some strength and get toned again.

In line with what Igne is saying, I think the ideal situation is that you've done adequate mobility work outside of gym time so that when you do want to perform at the gym a warm up is all you need.


You should be doing mobility work as your warm up, post workout it's good to do static stretches.

FWIW at the seminar klokov literally warmed up for 5 minutes at 9am in a very cold enviroment before he started snatching and worked up to an 186kg snatch and missed 193 (with a shitty bar on a rubber floor)
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