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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
January 08 2015 15:41 GMT
#41
Anyone on the team you can workout with that has some experience? Gym is always better with some lifting buddies. The most important things you want to do are squats, deadlifts, power cleans and then for your upper body bench press, overhead press, dips, rows, and pull ups. Starting Strength is a great beginner workout program. Very simple 3x a week and covers the big lifts.

Adding 30kg didn't slow me down, I'm faster than half our backs and all the forwards still :-p Just gotta make sure you're putting a lot of muscle in the lower body and supplementing your training with some speed/explosive work like sprints, jumping, plyometrics, agility ladders, power cleans, etc.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 08 2015 16:07 GMT
#42
Dear farva,
I haven't forgotten your promise on writing up your routine. Please return some time soon
Sincerest thanks,
mordek
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18831 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 16:49:12
January 08 2015 16:48 GMT
#43
lol ok, I shan't put it off any longer. I'll go ahead and throw up my normal routine and then describe how I plan to alter it in preparation for the tri. The following is my 4 day on, 1 day off split, which looks to marry my favorite aspects of PL'ing with the joint and pump friendly nature of BB'ing volume routines. It is important to note that I program around my shoulder, elbow, knee, and hip injuries, so my exercise selection is accordingly unorthodox. If anyone wants any extra explanations, just say so.

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Day 1-Chest/Tri

8 Sets of 30 degree incline dumbbell press with a pyramid scheme and average rep range of 10, topped out at 100s for 8
5 sets of dips at 15 reps, first 3 with strict, upright form and the last 2 with a heavy forward lean to emphasize chest
3 sets of seated dip machine at 255 lbs for 12 reps
5 sets of machine/dumbbell flyes, usually with 35 lbs dumbbells, at 12-16 reps
5 sets+ of one arm, cable gripped tricep pushdowns (no attachment, just grip the cable) at 12-16 reps

Day 2-Back/Bi-This is my strongest and easiest day, and yes, I go a bit overboard

6-8 sets of pronated grip bent over barbell rows with a pyramid scheme and average rep range of 10, topped out at 315 for 8
5 sets of strapped deadlifts with an ascending scheme, average rep range of 4, topped out at 515 for 2 currently.
5 sets of close grip, pronated pullups for 10 reps
5 sets of iso-lateral lat pulldowns, topped out at 4 plates each, for 10 reps.
3 sets of low machine rows for 12 reps.
3 sets of dumbbell preacher curls, topped out at 50s, for 8 reps.
3 sets of dumbbell hammer curls, topped out at 60s, for 10 reps.

Day 3-Shoulders

6-8 sets of seated OHP, medium grip, with a pyramid scheme, topped out at 175 for 6 currently, and an average rep range of 10.
3 sets of dumbbell arnold presses, topped out at 50s, for 10 reps
3 sets of seated machine shoulder press (burnout)
5-8 sets of barbell upright rows, narrow grip, topped out at 145 for 8 currently, average rep range of 10.
3 sets of rope facepulls at 10 reps
3 sets of rear delt machine rows at 10 reps

Day 4-Legs- I can't really do any freeweight leg exercises until I get knee surgery down the line, so yeah lol.

8 sets of machine squats, topped out at 405 lbs, for 12 reps.
5 sets of leg press, full ROM, topped out at 6 plates a side, for 12 reps
3 sets of glute press for 12 reps
3 sets of leg curls for 12 reps
5 sets of calf raises, both machine and standing, for 16 reps.
5 sets of trapeze crunches for 15 reps.


So, in preparation for the tri, I'm basically going to cut into my reps per set for every exercise, focus on strength, and then do my tri cardio after every lifting session. In sticking with 4 days on, 1 day off, here's my according prep routine, which won't change until around April.

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Day 1-Speedwork
4 mile slow jog warmup, outside if possible
20 sets of 100m wind sprints at 90-95% output
Dot drill and do-si-dos

Day 2-Swimming
6 miles in the pool for now, anyway I wanna slice it. I usually opt for basic strokes and pacing focus.

Day 3-Distance running
10 miles, whatever it takes to get through lol.

Day 4- Biking
14 miles throughout the day (to and from school, etc.)

I don't follow any of the above guidelines with rigor, meaning that I change things in accordance with how I'm feeling on a given day. I realize now, after writing this, that some of what I wrote might be confusing, so please lemme know if you have a question. I'm not deadset on running the tri yet so my routine is accordingly lukewarm in its prep.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 08 2015 16:53 GMT
#44
That is exactly what I wanted thanks!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
January 08 2015 17:12 GMT
#45
On January 09 2015 00:07 OceanLab wrote:

In any case:
-Before I go to the gym, any advice on what I can already do at home with what I have?
-When/If I do end up going to the gym, what should I do there? I'd be so lost


I'd recommend starting strength to any beginner.

A:
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 deadlift"

B:
3x5 Squat
3x5 Overhead Press
5x3 power clean ( can deadlift here instead too)

Pick 3 non consecutive days a week and go
Week 1: ABA
Week 2: BAB

Could start with an empty bar and add 2.5kg every workout whenever you do an exercise
When you stall, try once more the next workout since you could've had a bad day.
If you stall again (don't hit your target reps/sets) deload the weight by 10% and increase with 2.5kg increments again.

The key is to never stay stuck at a plateau, but to always keep increasing the weight - even if it means lowering the weight once.

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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 08 2015 17:34 GMT
#46
I remember recommeding SS to a friend who just wanted to get stronger.

The first few sessions he was like "are you sure this works? It feels so light and I don't even feel tired.".

A month later he said, I know what you meant by saying "It will get harder".

A couple of days ago he said, "ok, I can't take it anymore, it's too heavy, I can't even complete a set."

DAT SS MAGIC WORKING YA'LL.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 08 2015 19:03 GMT
#47
On January 08 2015 17:57 kaluro wrote:
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On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
I'm a very inefficient bulker. I hate to eat, and I hate to put on body fat. I started at the same height (6'4/193 cm) and 130 lbs/60kg when I began lifting. I've actually done mostly 5-10 pounds bulks and then lazy recomps that were way longer than they should be to get the fat back down for most of this time. I also lost about 25 pounds (that I didn't really need to lose) this past summer doing crossfit - I was at about 205 in april. I would say I'm sitting at just under 12%. I have abs without flexing, though they're not very defined.


you hate to eat because you are scared of bodyfat, or are they two seperate dislikes?
And hey. nobody ever said that you have to get high in BF% when bulking.
I try to never go above 15%, I'd just do a cut down to 10-12% whenever I'd hit 15.

I hate to eat, period. I dislike the fact that I need to put food in my mouth to survive. I dont get any significant enjoyment out of actually doing it. I hate how long it takes to cook food, and I definitely hate cleaning up from it. There is no part of the process that I enjoy. I'm not "scared" of bodyfat, I just don't like it - which I'm sure everyone here can relate to. And as far as I'm concerned since i've been floating around the low teens for 99.9% of my life, 15% is already too fat, let alone going over it.
On January 08 2015 17:57 kaluro wrote:
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On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
I've done all kinds of diets over that time though. The scientist in me likes to experiment. The most I was ever eating was about 4500/day. What's most comfortable for me is a sort of intermittent fast where I eat two meals of ~1300 cals/day, one an hour post workout and one two hours before bed, and about an hour preworkout a snack of ~600 cals. Right now since I'm mostly sedentary other than lifting that's letting me bulk. When it comes time to recomp again, I'll just drop the snack.]


All I ever tried were +10-20% Kcal bulks with
Fat: 1g/kg bodyweight
Protein: around 2g/kg bodyweight
Carbs: the rest
..lately bulks have been around ~3500kcal
And I'd just eat like 5-6 times a day.

Same with the cut only my proteins are at 2.5 times bodyweight and the carbs are cut down by a lot.
It works and it's easy .

I've done that before. Its just too much time spent eating to do 5-6 meals, and I dont need to get in 3600 kcal to bulk atm due to my activity level. I have cut at that amount before though, when I was in college lifting 4 times a week, working as a lifeguard and playing rugby. That wasn't fun.

On January 08 2015 17:57 kaluro wrote:
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On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
I spent my first two years of training being too much of a little bitch to break plateaus. I spent about a year recovering from a hip/lumbar spine injury that had me bedridden for three weeks straight, and a relapse 6 months in when I first tried to come back from it - I started every lower body lift completely from scratch about a year ago now. My bench has just always sucked.

painful injury, sorry to hear x_X
Also you so often see people being above averagely good at one lift and way below average on another lift.
My bench shoots up like it's nothing but my squat has always lacked, deadlift seems to be pretty average.

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On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
Also keep in mind the lifts I posted are for a 10rm, and the table you posted is for a 1rm. Last I tested my Bench 1rm, it was 205 which is intermediate. I tested that about two weeks ago. I havent done a back squat since early september, but my tested 1rm at that time was 260. September for conventional deadlifts as well, but it was 375 at the time.

Wooooooops, must've misread.
That puts a whole other perspective on things, 10RM is like what, 70% of your 1RM?
Sorry for misreading ^_^

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On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
As far as the myoreps routine... Yeah. I've done a push/pull/legs with much higher volume a while back, but had the same problem, especially in my shoulder and elbows. It's not bothering me now though, and I was doing the upper/lower for two months so I think regulating the volume and keeping high frequency is going to be the key there for me.


Yeah I had to do a two week deload to get my triceps tendons to stop hurting .
But then again I was stupid enough to try that 3 day split / 6 times/week myo workout plan, during my -20% kcal cut. So my recovery was pretty bad.


I've had a pretty bad knee injury myself for the past year, unable to do any lower body workouts.
I only started doing them again say, 2 months ago?

Current stats:


Current Current Goal 2015
Bench 8x100 1x120 KG 1x140kg
Squat 5x100 1x? KG 1x150kg
Deadlift 5x140 1x160 KG 1x200kg
Weight 90kg/14% 95kg/10%


Also I decided to purchase olympic weightlifting shoes the other day, with a ".75 heel.
http://www.reebok.nl/reebok-crossfit-lifter-plus-2.0/M40711_640.html
Only 85 euro..! Let's see how good that's gonna do me with the squats.
I also read that olympic shoes help with your deadlift when your weak point is getting it off the ground, which is exactly where the hardest part for me is.

For me, deadlifting in my adipowers just makes the setup awkward. It's much harder to keep your center of gravity over midfoot or your heel - you end up shifting forward too much, which can be dangerous. I do like them for deadlift assistances though - RDLs sometimes, Deficit deads, Speed deads, etc. For triples or heavier though, barefoot is the way to go at least in my opinion.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 23:30:07
January 08 2015 23:24 GMT
#48
So I started casually working out 6 months ago, 1-2 times a week. Now I want to be more serious and finally do some serious workout to get more fit, strong, impress my family/social circle, and most importantly myself :D

I'm currently 78KG with ~15% bodyfat. I came down from 97.4kg, pretty happy about that. Still got a bunch of fat stored up around my stomach/upper legs however.

Trying to lose fat, currently, my idea is this very simple:

Work out 3-4 times a week, eat a little less and the stuff that I eat, less processed and more green/red stuff (so basically fruits, veggies and meat/fish)
I made a little workout scheme, 2-day split, I try to go 4 times a week going ABAB or BABA.


Workout A - Back, Shoulder, Triceps

Not necessarily in this order, but:

Shoulder Press machine - 3x12 - 12.5kg
Arm Extension Machine - 3x12 - 25kg
Something called ''Upper Back Med'' 3x 12 - 20kg
Dumbbell Tricep Extension - 3x10 - 16kg
Dumbbell standing Fly - 3x12 - 4-6kg (each)
Lat Pull down (wide) - 3x10 - 35kg
Total Abdominal - 3x 20 - 40kg
And to finish it off 15 mins of cardio: treadmill walk/running (1.5 min walking to every 2.5 min running)

Workout B - Biceps, Legs, Chest

Chest press - 3x12 - 30/27.5kg
Bench Press - 3x10 - 25/20kg (I really struggle to complete more than 8 on set 3.. )
Pectoral Machine - 3x12 - 25kg
Seated Arm Curl - 3x10 - 12.5kg
Concentration curl - 3x10 - 10kg (both arms)
Hammer Curl - 3x12 - 8kg each arm
Leg Press (90 degrees) - 3x10 - 130kg
Squats - 5x5 - 20kg
Leg Extension Machine - 3x12 - 30kg
And to finish it off 15 min treadmill/cycling machine


I do cycle back and forth every time I work out, which in total is about 30minutes of light/medium cardio too.
I also try to do a couple of push up sets a couple of times a week. I couldn't do a single push up 2 months ago. Up to ten about now. Want to keep pushing that up. Also doing some (weighted) crunches at home, but nothing extreme or a workout on its own. Just a couple of sets a couple of times a week.


Please let me know if this is okay (for the time being) and if I'm missing out/skipping something important. I'd love to know. I feel like I plateau'd quite a bit on for example the bicep curls (been doing those even before this workout) and I'm not sure if it's just slow growth or if I should do something else.


I've been contemplating getting some whey protein - mix it with milk/water of course - Is it worth it? I am on kind of a budget, so I can't drink a crapton of them every day. Would that diminish it's effect?


Would love to get some advice from experienced users. I'm not planning to ''just workout a couple months, get huge muscles, then never go back'', I've been going to the gym for a while now but I want a solid plan every time I go to the gym and make sure I minmax my results, because that's always good.





|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 09 2015 01:20 GMT
#49
You should go protein ASAP.

It's not possible to "just workout a couple months, get huge muscles, then never go back."

Your gym routine looks like the gym routine of a middle aged man who has never been in a gym before or a child imitating a middle aged man. It's better than nothing, sure, but you should be focusing on improving your strength, beginning with pushups, pullups, and squats. Stay away from the machines until you are able to bench press 100 kilos and squat 150 kilos. You should add deadlifting, making sure to educate yourself on proper form, and asking people who know what they are doing if you are still unsure about it.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 04:12:22
January 09 2015 04:11 GMT
#50
Did squats for the first time in 2 months :D Just did 3x10 to parallel w/ 95lbs. Knee felt decent. Felt tight/inflamed after running around on it a bit at rugby training though.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5440 Posts
January 09 2015 08:33 GMT
#51
Have to workout in the afternoons after work now for a few weeks. Leg workouts not doing well... Upper body going well though!
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
January 09 2015 15:41 GMT
#52
Makito
Age: 27 || Height: 5 7 Weight: 93.5 k
Starting Date: 1/5/14 || Goal Date: 3/5/14
Weight goals -- on 2014 I drank very heavyly alcohol which led to a poor diet, also living in colombia now where we love fried food and breed insnt helping. I went from 82k to 93.k which is insane. my clothes dont fit and no jean bottons anymore. I would like to lose 1.5k a week constantly for 3 months
Training goals -- my body feels bad now days, i feel bloated a lot tired quickly etc. I used to do crossfit 3 times a week. but down here i cant. Slowy I want to start being active again. I would like to run everyday and do some T25 workouts
Nutrition goals --Im going to go with a low glycemic index foods, with 1 cheat day a week
Sleep goals --currently I sleep well 7 hours
Im gonna cut my aclohol intake to once a week and low doses, of quality stuff. ( i used to pretty much get drunk at least from thru to sunday) stop hardcore drugs, and maybe just smoke a lil weed once a week. I need to be size S in shirts and size 32 in Pants
No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 09 2015 16:03 GMT
#53
On January 10 2015 00:41 mAKiTO wrote:
Makito
Age: 27 || Height: 5 7 Weight: 93.5 k
Starting Date: 1/5/14 || Goal Date: 3/5/14
Weight goals -- on 2014 I drank very heavyly alcohol which led to a poor diet, also living in colombia now where we love fried food and breed insnt helping. I went from 82k to 93.k which is insane. my clothes dont fit and no jean bottons anymore. I would like to lose 1.5k a week constantly for 3 months
Training goals -- my body feels bad now days, i feel bloated a lot tired quickly etc. I used to do crossfit 3 times a week. but down here i cant. Slowy I want to start being active again. I would like to run everyday and do some T25 workouts
Nutrition goals --Im going to go with a low glycemic index foods, with 1 cheat day a week
Sleep goals --currently I sleep well 7 hours
Im gonna cut my aclohol intake to once a week and low doses, of quality stuff. ( i used to pretty much get drunk at least from thru to sunday) stop hardcore drugs, and maybe just smoke a lil weed once a week. I need to be size S in shirts and size 32 in Pants


1.5kg a week is VERY ambitious to do for such a long period of time. It's not impossible, but don't get discouraged if you don't actually hit it. ~75kg (what you would get down to) is a great goal for your height, but it might take you some time to actually get there. Stick to it and remember to post in this thread; really helps to have a group of people thinking the same as you are.

Why can't you crossfit anymore? Is it just a matter of not having a box nearby? Anyway, some activity > no activity so Running and T25 arent the worst choices you can make. And good luck kicking the alcohol and drug thing. Easily the biggest health change you can make, but I'm sure you know that already.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#54
Is there a particular rowing/ergo workout people do? I may do it once a week for kicks. Gonna just hop on and go for a 2k baseline time over lunch and maybe some more relaxed sets... /shrug no clue
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
January 09 2015 17:32 GMT
#55
Idk i just do random intervals. Like 4x1k @ <4min each, 10x500m w/ 30-60s rest in between, etc.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 09 2015 17:38 GMT
#56
Cool sounds about what I was planning on.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 17:46:08
January 09 2015 17:45 GMT
#57
Today:

Deficit DL 185kgx3x5
Klokov Press 40kgx12x3
Rows, Pull Ups, Back extensions

I feel like my technique has improved tons, I've been squatting everyday and had to train early so cut out a few sets.
Also re starting low bar squats next week.

Edit:

I'm looking for a chinese alternative to concept2 rowers. Any suggestions? (I'm looking for actual manufacturers in China, my company imports various equipment from there)
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
January 09 2015 19:31 GMT
#58
On January 10 2015 01:03 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 00:41 mAKiTO wrote:
Makito
Age: 27 || Height: 5 7 Weight: 93.5 k
Starting Date: 1/5/14 || Goal Date: 3/5/14
Weight goals -- on 2014 I drank very heavyly alcohol which led to a poor diet, also living in colombia now where we love fried food and breed insnt helping. I went from 82k to 93.k which is insane. my clothes dont fit and no jean bottons anymore. I would like to lose 1.5k a week constantly for 3 months
Training goals -- my body feels bad now days, i feel bloated a lot tired quickly etc. I used to do crossfit 3 times a week. but down here i cant. Slowy I want to start being active again. I would like to run everyday and do some T25 workouts
Nutrition goals --Im going to go with a low glycemic index foods, with 1 cheat day a week
Sleep goals --currently I sleep well 7 hours
Im gonna cut my aclohol intake to once a week and low doses, of quality stuff. ( i used to pretty much get drunk at least from thru to sunday) stop hardcore drugs, and maybe just smoke a lil weed once a week. I need to be size S in shirts and size 32 in Pants


1.5kg a week is VERY ambitious to do for such a long period of time. It's not impossible, but don't get discouraged if you don't actually hit it. ~75kg (what you would get down to) is a great goal for your height, but it might take you some time to actually get there. Stick to it and remember to post in this thread; really helps to have a group of people thinking the same as you are.

Why can't you crossfit anymore? Is it just a matter of not having a box nearby? Anyway, some activity > no activity so Running and T25 arent the worst choices you can make. And good luck kicking the alcohol and drug thing. Easily the biggest health change you can make, but I'm sure you know that already.


thanks for the input! I understand 1.5kg a week is ambitious, will do my best to do accomplish it.

I started monday, its been almost 5 days, but on weds I started feeling sick already, fever, headache and tonsilitis. last days have been in bed pretty much, huge white spots on my tonsils. Now that I think it about it, its weird everytime I start a healthy routine, I get tonsolities, is it my body detoxing? I feel better today after some antibiotics. the only positivie thing here is I might have lost lots of weight cus I couldnt eat hehe
No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15345 Posts
January 09 2015 19:37 GMT
#59
This weekend first workout since Christmas TT dreading the soreness already
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 09 2015 19:44 GMT
#60
I recommend going all out on your squats.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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