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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 06 2015 19:27 GMT
#21
Nice site yo, looks great
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 06 2015 20:33 GMT
#22
Looks like I'll pretty much visit TL just for this thread looks like.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 06 2015 21:22 GMT
#23
On January 07 2015 05:33 mordek wrote:
Looks like I'll pretty much visit TL just for this thread looks like.


I actually do. I rarely browse other categories or w/e. Sometimes I glimpse around other forums and some threads, but it's a weird sight me posting elsewhere. .
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
January 06 2015 21:38 GMT
#24
On January 07 2015 06:22 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 05:33 mordek wrote:
Looks like I'll pretty much visit TL just for this thread looks like.


I actually do. I rarely browse other categories or w/e. Sometimes I glimpse around other forums and some threads, but it's a weird sight me posting elsewhere. .

I just read this thread and skim the SC2 news/general news. I sometimes browse blogs and I like to read some of the general discussion threads on occasion, I feel like this is the only thread I even semi-consistently post in.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 06 2015 21:58 GMT
#25
That was an embarrassing stop and start on a sentence resulting in some redundancy XD

I pretty much just play hearthstone, heroes and still post in league so yep.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 06 2015 23:18 GMT
#26
I pretty much read/post in this thread, and then the occasional general thread like AGDQ and stuff. That's it though, since I don't really follow any esports anymore.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18835 Posts
January 06 2015 23:19 GMT
#27
My posting habits speak for themselves :D
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
January 06 2015 23:53 GMT
#28
This year I want to improve a lot. I will cut down alcohol (already did 45 days, only drank for nye) and try to eat healthy. My goal is to lose all belly fat before June 1st!
Dating thread on TL LUL
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
January 07 2015 08:04 GMT
#29
As its late and i need to increase my habit of sleeping 8 hours regularly, start running regularly again like 4-5 days a week and go to the gym. As for gym goals i would love to go like 3 times a week and lose like 20 lbs this year.

I'm like 5'7 and i just weight myself and hit 170. So i would like to get down to 150
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20063 Posts
January 07 2015 14:49 GMT
#30
Definitely going to try to sleep more and drink less this year. As I get old (24 lolz) and train more I find sleep to be the most important part of how I feel that day.

Monday
AM -
Press 3x5 @ 75kg PR
Dips + 20lb 3x8
DB Press 3x6 @ 55lb
Tricep stuff

PM -
Worked my power snatch up to a few singles at 70kg...still trying to work around my biceps tendonitis at least until my meet next weekend

Tuesday worked up to 255lb/116kg Power clean + jerk
http://instagram.com/p/xiLIJGQCG9/

This morning just did a bunch of knee rehab stuff and snatch pull/snatch work at 40-60kg
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
January 07 2015 23:02 GMT
#31
Dietary goals are off to a solid start. Picked up a few pounds of rice, chicken and oats. Doing a bit more research on protein powders before I order one though. Right now, I’m just cooking as I need it, but I think I’m going to get some more tupperware, cook maybe two or three meals and stash them away, just to have a buffer. Probably do that this weekend.

Actual exercise goals are still vague, but starting to take shape. Been doing some last research into routines/programs. Pretty sure that I’m going to go with SL 5x5 or maybe a P/P/L. Until then, gym trips have mostly been centered around light lifting, just focusing on finding reasonable starting points, getting my form back and then some bodyweight exercises just to get used to working out again.

Right now, I’m feeling for starting weights:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bench - 120lbs
Squat - 95lbs (I had a lot of back problems when I was younger, so I want to ease into this one)
Deadlift - 115lbs (Again, not wanting to put a ton of strain on my back)
Rows (One arm, dumbbell) - 30lbs
Curls - 25lbs
Lat Pulldown - 90lbs
Tricep Extension - 25lbs


Pretty average level of starting out. I'm pretty spread out right now, and there are definitely repeated muscle groups, and some that are left out, so gonna do some more thinking and research. Gonna finalize everything by Saturday, so I can start with a locked in routine on Monday. Hell of a long way to go, but it feels good to at least be laying the ground work.
Writer"My greatest skill is my enjoyment of the game" - Grubby | @TL_Peanuts
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18835 Posts
January 07 2015 23:10 GMT
#32
No research needed; if you don't wanna fuck around, just get ON.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20063 Posts
January 08 2015 02:06 GMT
#33
ON gold standard definitely my favorite.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 09:02:43
January 08 2015 08:57 GMT
#34
On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
I'm a very inefficient bulker. I hate to eat, and I hate to put on body fat. I started at the same height (6'4/193 cm) and 130 lbs/60kg when I began lifting. I've actually done mostly 5-10 pounds bulks and then lazy recomps that were way longer than they should be to get the fat back down for most of this time. I also lost about 25 pounds (that I didn't really need to lose) this past summer doing crossfit - I was at about 205 in april. I would say I'm sitting at just under 12%. I have abs without flexing, though they're not very defined.


you hate to eat because you are scared of bodyfat, or are they two seperate dislikes?
And hey. nobody ever said that you have to get high in BF% when bulking.
I try to never go above 15%, I'd just do a cut down to 10-12% whenever I'd hit 15.


On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
I've done all kinds of diets over that time though. The scientist in me likes to experiment. The most I was ever eating was about 4500/day. What's most comfortable for me is a sort of intermittent fast where I eat two meals of ~1300 cals/day, one an hour post workout and one two hours before bed, and about an hour preworkout a snack of ~600 cals. Right now since I'm mostly sedentary other than lifting that's letting me bulk. When it comes time to recomp again, I'll just drop the snack.]


All I ever tried were +10-20% Kcal bulks with
Fat: 1g/kg bodyweight
Protein: around 2g/kg bodyweight
Carbs: the rest
..lately bulks have been around ~3500kcal
And I'd just eat like 5-6 times a day.

Same with the cut only my proteins are at 2.5 times bodyweight and the carbs are cut down by a lot.
It works and it's easy .

On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
I spent my first two years of training being too much of a little bitch to break plateaus. I spent about a year recovering from a hip/lumbar spine injury that had me bedridden for three weeks straight, and a relapse 6 months in when I first tried to come back from it - I started every lower body lift completely from scratch about a year ago now. My bench has just always sucked.

painful injury, sorry to hear x_X
Also you so often see people being above averagely good at one lift and way below average on another lift.
My bench shoots up like it's nothing but my squat has always lacked, deadlift seems to be pretty average.

On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
Also keep in mind the lifts I posted are for a 10rm, and the table you posted is for a 1rm. Last I tested my Bench 1rm, it was 205 which is intermediate. I tested that about two weeks ago. I havent done a back squat since early september, but my tested 1rm at that time was 260. September for conventional deadlifts as well, but it was 375 at the time.

Wooooooops, must've misread.
That puts a whole other perspective on things, 10RM is like what, 70% of your 1RM?
Sorry for misreading ^_^

On January 06 2015 06:41 phyre112 wrote:
As far as the myoreps routine... Yeah. I've done a push/pull/legs with much higher volume a while back, but had the same problem, especially in my shoulder and elbows. It's not bothering me now though, and I was doing the upper/lower for two months so I think regulating the volume and keeping high frequency is going to be the key there for me.


Yeah I had to do a two week deload to get my triceps tendons to stop hurting .
But then again I was stupid enough to try that 3 day split / 6 times/week myo workout plan, during my -20% kcal cut. So my recovery was pretty bad.


I've had a pretty bad knee injury myself for the past year, unable to do any lower body workouts.
I only started doing them again say, 2 months ago?

Current stats:


Current Current Goal 2015
Bench 8x100 1x120 KG 1x140kg
Squat 5x100 1x? KG 1x150kg
Deadlift 5x140 1x160 KG 1x200kg
Weight 90kg/14% 95kg/10%


Also I decided to purchase olympic weightlifting shoes the other day, with a ".75 heel.
http://www.reebok.nl/reebok-crossfit-lifter-plus-2.0/M40711_640.html
Only 85 euro..! Let's see how good that's gonna do me with the squats.
I also read that olympic shoes help with your deadlift when your weak point is getting it off the ground, which is exactly where the hardest part for me is.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 08 2015 13:42 GMT
#35
ON is not only a great choice but tastes the best out of what I've had.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
January 08 2015 14:12 GMT
#36
Hey there!
I'll start with this: I hate going to gyms. It's irrational, probably stupid, but I just hate it.
Now, I play rugby, and I've been doing fine for years, but I feel that I've recently reached a plateau skill wise, and I feel like I need to bulk up to be able to get to the next level.
However, as stated earlier...I hate gyms
So I got myself a set of dumbbells, and I want to start working out at home. I have however no idea what to do, how to work out etc....
I was wondering if you guys had any ideas/tips on how to properly work out at home.
I'm 24, I am 2 meters tall and weight only 85 kilos (!)
So, what do you guys think?
Liquid through and through
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 14:33:46
January 08 2015 14:32 GMT
#37
On January 08 2015 23:12 OceanLab wrote:
Hey there!
I'll start with this: I hate going to gyms. It's irrational, probably stupid, but I just hate it.
Now, I play rugby, and I've been doing fine for years, but I feel that I've recently reached a plateau skill wise, and I feel like I need to bulk up to be able to get to the next level.
However, as stated earlier...I hate gyms
So I got myself a set of dumbbells, and I want to start working out at home. I have however no idea what to do, how to work out etc....
I was wondering if you guys had any ideas/tips on how to properly work out at home.
I'm 24, I am 2 meters tall and weight only 85 kilos (!)
So, what do you guys think?


If you want to get rugby strong and big there is no way around barbells and discs, sorry. You have to choose between getting better at rugby or your irrational gym dislike; are you sure you don't dislike the gym stereotype rather than actual gym?
Squats, Deadlifts, presses and cleans are the staple of pretty much any rugby supplemental program. You do know elite rugby players at your height are at least 100kg and usually close to 110 and heavy barbell lifting is the only way to put on that kind of muscle mass.

Haven't posted in a while after I won my last competitions. Currently working as hard as ever, my next competition is in May and my current goals are:

High Bar Squat (220kg)
Low Bar Squat (240kg at the competition)
Bench Press (170kg)
Deadlift (280kg)

I will try to do a 260-270 deadlift by mid february. I've been working on various technical issues as well as adding some supplemental exercises and everything seems to be going better than on my last training cycle.

Edit: Decaf is a competitive rugby player and olympic lifter, so he can give you a way better insight about it.

decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20063 Posts
January 08 2015 14:42 GMT
#38
On January 08 2015 23:12 OceanLab wrote:
Hey there!
I'll start with this: I hate going to gyms. It's irrational, probably stupid, but I just hate it.
Now, I play rugby, and I've been doing fine for years, but I feel that I've recently reached a plateau skill wise, and I feel like I need to bulk up to be able to get to the next level.
However, as stated earlier...I hate gyms
So I got myself a set of dumbbells, and I want to start working out at home. I have however no idea what to do, how to work out etc....
I was wondering if you guys had any ideas/tips on how to properly work out at home.
I'm 24, I am 2 meters tall and weight only 85 kilos (!)
So, what do you guys think?


Fellow rugby player! What position do you play? At that height I imagine you're in the forwards but you're REALLY light for your height. For reference I'm ~102kg @ 183cm and playing 8. I'd definitely say you need to eat more and get in the gym! There's no avoiding the barbell when it comes to putting on size and strength for sports. I've put on probably 30kg since I started playing rugby and the extra strength and mass has definitely improved and changed my game.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20063 Posts
January 08 2015 14:49 GMT
#39
On January 08 2015 17:57 kaluro wrote:
Also I decided to purchase olympic weightlifting shoes the other day, with a ".75 heel.
http://www.reebok.nl/reebok-crossfit-lifter-plus-2.0/M40711_640.html
Only 85 euro..! Let's see how good that's gonna do me with the squats.
I also read that olympic shoes help with your deadlift when your weak point is getting it off the ground, which is exactly where the hardest part for me is.


I prefer deadlifting barefoot and squatting in weightlifting shoes
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
January 08 2015 15:07 GMT
#40
On January 08 2015 23:42 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 23:12 OceanLab wrote:
Hey there!
I'll start with this: I hate going to gyms. It's irrational, probably stupid, but I just hate it.
Now, I play rugby, and I've been doing fine for years, but I feel that I've recently reached a plateau skill wise, and I feel like I need to bulk up to be able to get to the next level.
However, as stated earlier...I hate gyms
So I got myself a set of dumbbells, and I want to start working out at home. I have however no idea what to do, how to work out etc....
I was wondering if you guys had any ideas/tips on how to properly work out at home.
I'm 24, I am 2 meters tall and weight only 85 kilos (!)
So, what do you guys think?


Fellow rugby player! What position do you play? At that height I imagine you're in the forwards but you're REALLY light for your height. For reference I'm ~102kg @ 183cm and playing 8. I'd definitely say you need to eat more and get in the gym! There's no avoiding the barbell when it comes to putting on size and strength for sports. I've put on probably 30kg since I started playing rugby and the extra strength and mass has definitely improved and changed my game.

Well believe it or not, I actually play pretty much any position at the back, mainly outside center and full back.
This is also something that worries me, I dont want to put on 30 kilos and become slower, so any training I'd do would have to take this into account.

On January 08 2015 23:32 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 23:12 OceanLab wrote:
Hey there!
I'll start with this: I hate going to gyms. It's irrational, probably stupid, but I just hate it.
Now, I play rugby, and I've been doing fine for years, but I feel that I've recently reached a plateau skill wise, and I feel like I need to bulk up to be able to get to the next level.
However, as stated earlier...I hate gyms
So I got myself a set of dumbbells, and I want to start working out at home. I have however no idea what to do, how to work out etc....
I was wondering if you guys had any ideas/tips on how to properly work out at home.
I'm 24, I am 2 meters tall and weight only 85 kilos (!)
So, what do you guys think?


If you want to get rugby strong and big there is no way around barbells and discs, sorry. You have to choose between getting better at rugby or your irrational gym dislike; are you sure you don't dislike the gym stereotype rather than actual gym?
Squats, Deadlifts, presses and cleans are the staple of pretty much any rugby supplemental program. You do know elite rugby players at your height are at least 100kg and usually close to 110 and heavy barbell lifting is the only way to put on that kind of muscle mass.


Edit: Decaf is a competitive rugby player and olympic lifter, so he can give you a way better insight about it.


It might have something to do with the "gym stereotype" you mention, all I know is the few times I've been to a gym, I've hated the experience. It's hard to explain. Even went with very good friends, thinking that it would help to go with buddies, but I still hated it.
But then again I think it might have something to do with the people that usually go to these places.

In any case:
-Before I go to the gym, any advice on what I can already do at home with what I have?
-When/If I do end up going to the gym, what should I do there? I'd be so lost
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