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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
January 14 2015 16:41 GMT
#101
guys, I want to lose around 10 kg, and I read everywhere that carbs are bad for that goal, but I can' leave without bread, I love it, it's cheap and well, I just don't want to cut my consumption of it, at all.
So I was wondering, I guess my guess is right :
If I just eat less, and do a bit more sport, I'll still lose some weight, right ?
Maybe that'll take a bit longer because of my carb consumption ?

That aside, I worked on my sleeping schedule, now going to sleep at around 22, waking up at 7, and after 2 weeks I must say I'm feeling much better overall, though I got a bit sleepy in the afternoon but coffee helps to stay awake till 22 so that's ok.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 14 2015 16:49 GMT
#102
On January 15 2015 01:41 Faust852 wrote:
guys, I want to lose around 10 kg, and I read everywhere that carbs are bad for that goal, but I can' leave without bread, I love it, it's cheap and well, I just don't want to cut my consumption of it, at all.
So I was wondering, I guess my guess is right :
If I just eat less, and do a bit more sport, I'll still lose some weight, right ?
Maybe that'll take a bit longer because of my carb consumption ?

That aside, I worked on my sleeping schedule, now going to sleep at around 22, waking up at 7, and after 2 weeks I must say I'm feeling much better overall, though I got a bit sleepy in the afternoon but coffee helps to stay awake till 22 so that's ok.

http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss.html

Independent of the macro composition of your diet, a net negative energy balance (consuming less calories than your body needs) is alone responsible for weight loss
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 14 2015 16:51 GMT
#103
On January 15 2015 01:41 Faust852 wrote:
guys, I want to lose around 10 kg, and I read everywhere that carbs are bad for that goal, but I can' leave without bread, I love it, it's cheap and well, I just don't want to cut my consumption of it, at all.
So I was wondering, I guess my guess is right :
If I just eat less, and do a bit more sport, I'll still lose some weight, right ?
Maybe that'll take a bit longer because of my carb consumption ?

That aside, I worked on my sleeping schedule, now going to sleep at around 22, waking up at 7, and after 2 weeks I must say I'm feeling much better overall, though I got a bit sleepy in the afternoon but coffee helps to stay awake till 22 so that's ok.


Emotional attachment to food is a problem for weight loss and your life in general.

You can certainly lose weight and still eat bread, however cutting carbs is the easiest way to get started in weight loss and will make being on a caloric deficit a lot less miserable as protein and fat are a lot more "filling". You should consider wether you care about losing weight or losing fat as they are not the same thing. If you want to lose fat you should accept you will feel bad at times.

If you have to eat bread, just don't as much, and do it after working out so your muscles absorb the carbs instead of turning it into fat.

Sleeping properly improves life quality inmediatately. Coffee is ok.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
January 14 2015 17:51 GMT
#104
On January 15 2015 01:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 01:41 Faust852 wrote:
guys, I want to lose around 10 kg, and I read everywhere that carbs are bad for that goal, but I can' leave without bread, I love it, it's cheap and well, I just don't want to cut my consumption of it, at all.
So I was wondering, I guess my guess is right :
If I just eat less, and do a bit more sport, I'll still lose some weight, right ?
Maybe that'll take a bit longer because of my carb consumption ?

That aside, I worked on my sleeping schedule, now going to sleep at around 22, waking up at 7, and after 2 weeks I must say I'm feeling much better overall, though I got a bit sleepy in the afternoon but coffee helps to stay awake till 22 so that's ok.


Emotional attachment to food is a problem for weight loss and your life in general.

You can certainly lose weight and still eat bread, however cutting carbs is the easiest way to get started in weight loss and will make being on a caloric deficit a lot less miserable as protein and fat are a lot more "filling". You should consider wether you care about losing weight or losing fat as they are not the same thing. If you want to lose fat you should accept you will feel bad at times.

If you have to eat bread, just don't as much, and do it after working out so your muscles absorb the carbs instead of turning it into fat.

Sleeping properly improves life quality inmediatately. Coffee is ok.


The problem is that bread is like my main course, bread is cheap, it's good, and everyone arround me eat bread so it would be hard to resist the temptation.

I think I'm quite muscular, I'm stronger than a lot of my friends who work out, but I have this layer of fat that annoy me.
I used to weight 115kg for 185cm 2y ago, it's was a lot, so I started eating less, cutting snacks, and bad food like chips, chocolate, prepared food etc...
Now I weight 95kg but it's been like that for over a year without any change.
I don't know what's the difference between losing weight and fat tho, if I don't change my physical practice (some push up etc the morning and 2 hours of floor ball a week + 40min(+) of walking everyday) but eat less, be it bread or just quantity, I will only lose fat right ? I won't lose some muscle I guess ?

Thanks for your answer guys.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 14 2015 17:56 GMT
#105
On January 15 2015 00:25 ComaDose wrote:
Hey guys, not sure if this is the right place to ask but I'm looking for easy post work out protein sources. I'm not investing in powder right now and the gym buddy i'm going with works out late so i get home at like 11:30pm. I stare through my fridge for a while then end up eating peanut butter and/or cold cuts or if i'm lucky left over meat from diner. I guess i'm looking for a miracle snack to eat with, like, no preparation time that's okay ~1hr before bed. would i be better frying up a few eggs or something like that? if I cook a bunch of chicken in advance and reheat it at night would that be best? is a shake really that much better?


It's sillly not to invest in protein powder. On a per gram of protein basis it's way cheaper than even the cheapest swill you could be eating in place of it.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 14 2015 18:06 GMT
#106
Reheated chicken breast makes me wanna kill myself but it's good for you. Protein shake is easier but wont help satiety as much, and results may vary between brands. At least you know what you get with real food.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 18:10:09
January 14 2015 18:07 GMT
#107
If you are worried about which protein to pick just PM me and I can tell you where I get mine. It's cheaper than GNC and the highest quality protein per $, I think, on the market.

I've had more than 300 protein shakes every year for the last decade. I've tried a whole bunch.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 14 2015 18:14 GMT
#108
On January 15 2015 02:51 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 01:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 15 2015 01:41 Faust852 wrote:
guys, I want to lose around 10 kg, and I read everywhere that carbs are bad for that goal, but I can' leave without bread, I love it, it's cheap and well, I just don't want to cut my consumption of it, at all.
So I was wondering, I guess my guess is right :
If I just eat less, and do a bit more sport, I'll still lose some weight, right ?
Maybe that'll take a bit longer because of my carb consumption ?

That aside, I worked on my sleeping schedule, now going to sleep at around 22, waking up at 7, and after 2 weeks I must say I'm feeling much better overall, though I got a bit sleepy in the afternoon but coffee helps to stay awake till 22 so that's ok.


Emotional attachment to food is a problem for weight loss and your life in general.

You can certainly lose weight and still eat bread, however cutting carbs is the easiest way to get started in weight loss and will make being on a caloric deficit a lot less miserable as protein and fat are a lot more "filling". You should consider wether you care about losing weight or losing fat as they are not the same thing. If you want to lose fat you should accept you will feel bad at times.

If you have to eat bread, just don't as much, and do it after working out so your muscles absorb the carbs instead of turning it into fat.

Sleeping properly improves life quality inmediatately. Coffee is ok.


The problem is that bread is like my main course, bread is cheap, it's good, and everyone arround me eat bread so it would be hard to resist the temptation.

I think I'm quite muscular, I'm stronger than a lot of my friends who work out, but I have this layer of fat that annoy me.
I used to weight 115kg for 185cm 2y ago, it's was a lot, so I started eating less, cutting snacks, and bad food like chips, chocolate, prepared food etc...
Now I weight 95kg but it's been like that for over a year without any change.
I don't know what's the difference between losing weight and fat tho, if I don't change my physical practice (some push up etc the morning and 2 hours of floor ball a week + 40min(+) of walking everyday) but eat less, be it bread or just quantity, I will only lose fat right ? I won't lose some muscle I guess ?

Thanks for your answer guys.


Not really, the body is a complex system that is continually reducing/increasing both muscle and fat. You will be losing mostly fat, but usually some muscle aswell.

At 185cm/95kg you will still lose mainly fat for a few kilos, but the beter your macro ratio (protein/fat/carb ratio) the more fat you will lose while mantaining most lean mass.

I hope it makes sense, it's a somewhat complex topic to explain. High protein diets (40-60% of your calories) are usually conducive to less fat and more muscle at a certain bodyweight aside from physical activity.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
January 14 2015 18:43 GMT
#109
On January 15 2015 03:14 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 02:51 Faust852 wrote:
On January 15 2015 01:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 15 2015 01:41 Faust852 wrote:
guys, I want to lose around 10 kg, and I read everywhere that carbs are bad for that goal, but I can' leave without bread, I love it, it's cheap and well, I just don't want to cut my consumption of it, at all.
So I was wondering, I guess my guess is right :
If I just eat less, and do a bit more sport, I'll still lose some weight, right ?
Maybe that'll take a bit longer because of my carb consumption ?

That aside, I worked on my sleeping schedule, now going to sleep at around 22, waking up at 7, and after 2 weeks I must say I'm feeling much better overall, though I got a bit sleepy in the afternoon but coffee helps to stay awake till 22 so that's ok.


Emotional attachment to food is a problem for weight loss and your life in general.

You can certainly lose weight and still eat bread, however cutting carbs is the easiest way to get started in weight loss and will make being on a caloric deficit a lot less miserable as protein and fat are a lot more "filling". You should consider wether you care about losing weight or losing fat as they are not the same thing. If you want to lose fat you should accept you will feel bad at times.

If you have to eat bread, just don't as much, and do it after working out so your muscles absorb the carbs instead of turning it into fat.

Sleeping properly improves life quality inmediatately. Coffee is ok.


The problem is that bread is like my main course, bread is cheap, it's good, and everyone arround me eat bread so it would be hard to resist the temptation.

I think I'm quite muscular, I'm stronger than a lot of my friends who work out, but I have this layer of fat that annoy me.
I used to weight 115kg for 185cm 2y ago, it's was a lot, so I started eating less, cutting snacks, and bad food like chips, chocolate, prepared food etc...
Now I weight 95kg but it's been like that for over a year without any change.
I don't know what's the difference between losing weight and fat tho, if I don't change my physical practice (some push up etc the morning and 2 hours of floor ball a week + 40min(+) of walking everyday) but eat less, be it bread or just quantity, I will only lose fat right ? I won't lose some muscle I guess ?

Thanks for your answer guys.


Not really, the body is a complex system that is continually reducing/increasing both muscle and fat. You will be losing mostly fat, but usually some muscle aswell.

At 185cm/95kg you will still lose mainly fat for a few kilos, but the beter your macro ratio (protein/fat/carb ratio) the more fat you will lose while mantaining most lean mass.

I hope it makes sense, it's a somewhat complex topic to explain. High protein diets (40-60% of your calories) are usually conducive to less fat and more muscle at a certain bodyweight aside from physical activity.

Thanks fot the answer.
I guess I'll stick to eating less, removing bread from a meal and see where I'll be in a couple of months, thanks !
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 19:11:22
January 14 2015 19:10 GMT
#110
On January 15 2015 03:06 Osmoses wrote:
Reheated chicken breast makes me wanna kill myself but it's good for you. Protein shake is easier but wont help satiety as much, and results may vary between brands. At least you know what you get with real food.


Gotta step up your chicken game. Season the shit out of it and don't overcook it. I realized I was being way over cautious and drying the fuck out of my chicken. It's reheats much better now. Throw in some rice and sauce and it's delicious.

Relevant dom vid:
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 14 2015 19:25 GMT
#111
I've seen that one ;P But in my experience there's just no saving chicken that's been frozen solid, and I generally stay away from sauces when dieting, but soy at least makes it bearable.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 14 2015 20:15 GMT
#112
On January 15 2015 04:25 Osmoses wrote:
I've seen that one ;P But in my experience there's just no saving chicken that's been frozen solid, and I generally stay away from sauces when dieting, but soy at least makes it bearable.


Defrost it and throw it in a soup. Soups are fantastic because you can just add potatoes or beans or some other carb and make it as high/low calorie as you want. Plus it's really hard to screw up the flavor.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 14 2015 21:02 GMT
#113
On January 15 2015 04:25 Osmoses wrote:
I've seen that one ;P But in my experience there's just no saving chicken that's been frozen solid, and I generally stay away from sauces when dieting, but soy at least makes it bearable.


I never freeze chicken after cooking it, so I usually only prepare for a couple days in advanced. You can use dry seasonings to make chicken taste better, I find that spicy seasonings typically keep flavor better through reheating. Cooking it properly also is very important, since overcooking it will make it taste like rubber, especially so when you reheat it.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 14 2015 21:46 GMT
#114
Alright, so I've started doing the SL (stronglifts) 5x5 workout, or atleast trying to get used to all the exercises.

I started doing squats earlier this week. Done them twice now. I've done a bunch of leg pressing in the past (which primarily hits the quads just like squats do if I'm not mistaken), and pull 3x12x130KG easily on it. That's also why I find this a bit weird. Whenever I squat (right now just 20-25KG to get a hang of it and see my max, and really do go as far as I can, I feel a big burning ''sensation'' in my quads, much more than I maybe should, but nothing or barely anything in any other muscles (hamstrings and glutes?). I go ''ass to the grass'' as far as I'm able. Whether I use 20 or 25KG, the feeling is the same. Outside of the workout my upper legs really do feel worked (front, that is) and heavy, which is good I assume considering I'm getting used to the exercise.

I guess the problem is the ''pain'' doesn't go up as I do more reps or sets, it stays constant but starts off really ''burny'' in my quads already.

That, and I really need someone who knows his shit to check if I do proper form on Deadlifts before I start incorporating them 2x a week. I feel like I'm doing them right, but can't really do it without proper weights added to it so it's hard to judge by myself.


One last question: The 5x5 workout targets 3 big compound exercises per workout. This means the workouts will be very short. Should I add on some extra exercises (side lateral raises, arm curls, preacher curls, extensions, anything really) to make the workout a bit longer? I know the SL-workout targets overall body strength but I'd still like to be able to go to the gym for a significant amount of time and sometimes extra-work a specific group of muscles.

Thanks in advance for anyone willing to share knowledge to this fitness nub :>
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 22:01:07
January 14 2015 21:57 GMT
#115
Assuming you're doing highbar squats, those do target your quads moreso than your glutes or hamstrings, especially with a narrow stance. Try a wider stance or switching to lowbar if you want greater hamstring activation. Or do stiff legged deadlifts.

As for adding lifts to the program: if you change the program, you're not doing the program. Have faith that it's popular for a reason, you'll be plenty tired enough as your lifts go up, don't worry.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 14 2015 22:22 GMT
#116
On January 15 2015 06:57 Osmoses wrote:
Assuming you're doing highbar squats, those do target your quads moreso than your glutes or hamstrings, especially with a narrow stance. Try a wider stance or switching to lowbar if you want greater hamstring activation. Or do stiff legged deadlifts.

As for adding lifts to the program: if you change the program, you're not doing the program. Have faith that it's popular for a reason, you'll be plenty tired enough as your lifts go up, don't worry.

I've heard a lot of people say adding isolation exercises is just up to the individual though, just trying to get some opinions here, it's not ''against'' the program, just not necessarily ''in'' it :p


I'm doing smith machine squats, so kind of I suppose, yea. I understand it's not optimal but my gym does not have a standard machine, so I'm forced to use this/do it without any kind of support, which I'd rather not do.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 14 2015 23:05 GMT
#117
On January 15 2015 07:22 Thalandros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 06:57 Osmoses wrote:
Assuming you're doing highbar squats, those do target your quads moreso than your glutes or hamstrings, especially with a narrow stance. Try a wider stance or switching to lowbar if you want greater hamstring activation. Or do stiff legged deadlifts.

As for adding lifts to the program: if you change the program, you're not doing the program. Have faith that it's popular for a reason, you'll be plenty tired enough as your lifts go up, don't worry.

I've heard a lot of people say adding isolation exercises is just up to the individual though, just trying to get some opinions here, it's not ''against'' the program, just not necessarily ''in'' it :p


I'm doing smith machine squats, so kind of I suppose, yea. I understand it's not optimal but my gym does not have a standard machine, so I'm forced to use this/do it without any kind of support, which I'd rather not do.


I am very skeptical that what you are doing is what I could call a squat. Post a video if you want a critique, but my guess is that you are only doing something vaguely resembling a squat. Anyone who can do 3x12 @ 130kg easily is far stronger than the person you are describing yourself to be (i.e. starting strong lifts, hasn't lifted seriously before, isn't a confident deadlifter, etc.). Best thing you can do, again, would be to post a video of yourself so we can get a better idea of what you are and are not doing.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 14 2015 23:26 GMT
#118
On January 15 2015 06:02 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 04:25 Osmoses wrote:
I've seen that one ;P But in my experience there's just no saving chicken that's been frozen solid, and I generally stay away from sauces when dieting, but soy at least makes it bearable.


I never freeze chicken after cooking it, so I usually only prepare for a couple days in advanced. You can use dry seasonings to make chicken taste better, I find that spicy seasonings typically keep flavor better through reheating. Cooking it properly also is very important, since overcooking it will make it taste like rubber, especially so when you reheat it.


fuck chicken, eat meat. Soy sauce is posion, avoid it at all cost.

NSFW:

http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way.html
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 14 2015 23:26 GMT
#119
On January 15 2015 04:25 Osmoses wrote:
I've seen that one ;P But in my experience there's just no saving chicken that's been frozen solid, and I generally stay away from sauces when dieting, but soy at least makes it bearable.


I meant to quote you on the soy sauce thing:

NSFW

http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way.html
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 23:37:22
January 14 2015 23:31 GMT
#120
should I be taking creatine?

if so, whats a good one to choose from?

supplements I take now days:

5000 IU vitamin D-3 GNC brand
Protein powder. Dream's protein "Dream Protein leads the "whey" with its proprietary Hormone-Free, Ultra-LowTemp Whey Protein Isolate. We start with hormone free whey from New Zealand cows that are "Meadow Fed" and not given any rBGH or BST hormones
and canadian flex seed

edit: and whats the deal with eggs, i eat scramble eggs, daily, for weight lost should I only eat egg whites?, does it really matter?
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