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Ouija
Profile Joined December 2011
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 16:44:56
February 24 2014 16:35 GMT
#21
Serious? 5 years ago lions go 0-16. Today, according to stats of last season, they have 7th ranked offense in terms of total yards and 13th in scoring. On the defensive side overall they are not as good with only 17th Total Defense, mainly caused by the huge lack of run defense. I would say that is a major difference from 0-16. I was not claiming that the browns will be making a superbowl run or anything like that. They are slowly getting better though. Also looking at last season the lions lost 5 games by 3 points or less.

AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 16:43:43
February 24 2014 16:40 GMT
#22
On February 25 2014 01:31 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 01:22 AgentW wrote:
On February 25 2014 01:03 y0su wrote:
On February 24 2014 23:49 AgentW wrote:
I agree with you to an extent, but let's not go too far. No team who loses 10 out of their last 11 games is a QB away from being legit, unless it's Peyton Manning, and everyone is a Peyton Manning away from being legit.

how about elite qb AND coach?

I like Cowherd's point on the matter: in the NFL, the QB's far more important than the coach. In college, it's the opposite, but in the pros, I don't think it matters that much. I would agree that they would become a contender if they got a top 5 QB, but everyone would, which really means you need a really good QB to win (duh).

On February 25 2014 01:10 Ouija wrote:
On February 24 2014 23:49 AgentW wrote:
I agree with you to an extent, but let's not go too far. No team who loses 10 out of their last 11 games is a QB away from being legit, unless it's Peyton Manning, and everyone is a Peyton Manning away from being legit.


No where near a cleveland fan but think about detroit years back going 0-16 and look at them now. The browns have been quite bad for some time and it only seems reasonable to think that with high draft picks each year, you can build a fairly strong football team as those years go by. LOL at the comment about the Choke Artist. Playing well in the regular season is nice, but it all comes down to winning championships.

Yeah, that mighty Detroit team has gone 29-51 (average of 5.8 wins per year) since going 0-16. Really lighting the world on fire.

What about Choke Artist?


look at when they won and lost. Detroit is a great example of why a coach matters. You need to be able to motivate and adjust in the second half of the season. Especially after a bad loss.

Fair, but I think as long as your coach is passable (which Schwartz definitely wasn't), you're in the clear. Stafford on the other hand looked brutal in some of those games.

On February 25 2014 01:35 Ouija wrote:
Serious? 5 years ago lions go 0-16. Today, according to stats of last season, they have 7th ranked offense in terms of total yards and 13th in scoring. On the defensive side overall they are not as good with only 17th Total Defense, mainly caused by the huge lack of run defense. I would say that is a major difference from 0-16. I was not claiming that the browns will be making a superbowl run or anything like that. They are slowly getting better though.

Detroit finished 19th in offensive DVOA and 14th in defensive DVOA via Football Outsiders. Sounds like a 7-9 team to me.

I don't see what your point is. A team can go from terrible to mediocre in 5 years? Of course they can.

EDIT: Also LOL you think Detroit had a bad rushing defense last year. 5th in rush defense DVOA.
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Ouija
Profile Joined December 2011
United States129 Posts
February 24 2014 16:53 GMT
#23
Ok. Made a mistake when looking at the stats..

So Detroit is even better than I have been claiming. I don't use DVOA or even know what it is. I go by NFL's stats since that's the league. My whole point, which is why I responded to Y0su originally was that Clevland does not need a peyton manning legit quaterback to be good. I was using detroit as my example of how a team can go from horrible to a pretty good football team without the choke artist I mentioned before.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 24 2014 16:55 GMT
#24
The fact that you refer to Peyton Manning as "the choke artist" tells me all I need to know about you.

Have a good one.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 17:05:42
February 24 2014 17:02 GMT
#25
On February 25 2014 01:40 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 01:31 y0su wrote:
On February 25 2014 01:22 AgentW wrote:
On February 25 2014 01:03 y0su wrote:
On February 24 2014 23:49 AgentW wrote:
I agree with you to an extent, but let's not go too far. No team who loses 10 out of their last 11 games is a QB away from being legit, unless it's Peyton Manning, and everyone is a Peyton Manning away from being legit.

how about elite qb AND coach?

I like Cowherd's point on the matter: in the NFL, the QB's far more important than the coach. In college, it's the opposite, but in the pros, I don't think it matters that much. I would agree that they would become a contender if they got a top 5 QB, but everyone would, which really means you need a really good QB to win (duh).

On February 25 2014 01:10 Ouija wrote:
On February 24 2014 23:49 AgentW wrote:
I agree with you to an extent, but let's not go too far. No team who loses 10 out of their last 11 games is a QB away from being legit, unless it's Peyton Manning, and everyone is a Peyton Manning away from being legit.


No where near a cleveland fan but think about detroit years back going 0-16 and look at them now. The browns have been quite bad for some time and it only seems reasonable to think that with high draft picks each year, you can build a fairly strong football team as those years go by. LOL at the comment about the Choke Artist. Playing well in the regular season is nice, but it all comes down to winning championships.

Yeah, that mighty Detroit team has gone 29-51 (average of 5.8 wins per year) since going 0-16. Really lighting the world on fire.

What about Choke Artist?


look at when they won and lost. Detroit is a great example of why a coach matters. You need to be able to motivate and adjust in the second half of the season. Especially after a bad loss.

Fair, but I think as long as your coach is passable (which Schwartz definitely wasn't), you're in the clear. Stafford on the other hand looked brutal in some of those games.

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On February 25 2014 01:35 Ouija wrote:
Serious? 5 years ago lions go 0-16. Today, according to stats of last season, they have 7th ranked offense in terms of total yards and 13th in scoring. On the defensive side overall they are not as good with only 17th Total Defense, mainly caused by the huge lack of run defense. I would say that is a major difference from 0-16. I was not claiming that the browns will be making a superbowl run or anything like that. They are slowly getting better though.

Detroit finished 19th in offensive DVOA and 14th in defensive DVOA via Football Outsiders. Sounds like a 7-9 team to me.

I don't see what your point is. A team can go from terrible to mediocre in 5 years? Of course they can.

EDIT: Also LOL you think Detroit had a bad rushing defense last year. 5th in rush defense DVOA.


Werd. People who played fantasy last year know that you don't run on the Lions.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 24 2014 17:09 GMT
#26
Peter King, always politically correct, seemingly always clueless.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/24/johnny-manziel-monday-morning-quarterback/5/

The league’s Competition Committee meets in Florida beginning Friday, and one of the items on the agenda will be discussion on a rule to flag players for using the n-word on the field during games. I’m unequivocally in favor of it, and can see no reason why it wouldn’t be enacted …


The last thing the NFL wants is refs to be throwing more flags that the fans have no idea why they were thrown.
Freeeeeeedom
Ouija
Profile Joined December 2011
United States129 Posts
February 24 2014 17:11 GMT
#27
On February 25 2014 01:55 AgentW wrote:
The fact that you refer to Peyton Manning as "the choke artist" tells me all I need to know about you.

Have a good one.


The fact that you think 1 sentence in an argument about football can tell you everything you need to know about a person is mind blowing. Unless all you think you need to know is whether or not someone likes peyton manning.

I have been watching peyton manning play in the NFL just like everyone else for at least the past 10-12 years. While I am not going to argue with anyone how good he is because I know he is one of the greatest ever. I have watched him in the playoffs countless times and he always ends up what I like to call "choking" and end up losing after his more often than not stellar regular season performance.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 17:29:04
February 24 2014 17:23 GMT
#28
On February 25 2014 02:11 Ouija wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 01:55 AgentW wrote:
The fact that you refer to Peyton Manning as "the choke artist" tells me all I need to know about you.

Have a good one.


The fact that you think 1 sentence in an argument about football can tell you everything you need to know about a person is mind blowing. Unless all you think you need to know is whether or not someone likes peyton manning.

I have been watching peyton manning play in the NFL just like everyone else for at least the past 10-12 years. While I am not going to argue with anyone how good he is because I know he is one of the greatest ever. I have watched him in the playoffs countless times and he always ends up what I like to call "choking" and end up losing after his more often than not stellar regular season performance.

Don't take my wording too literally. I'm not judging your character, merely your knowledge of football.

First you cite general, counting stats, which is becoming accepted as an outdated phenomenon. Next, you say that Detroit can't play run D which is either anecdotal or simply incorrect. Last, you refer to someone as "the choke artist" because he doesn't win the majority of his playoff games.

I don't want to turn this into a Peyton Manning debate (because we were originally talking about the Browns) but I'll lay down the points really quickly. Manning has the most playoff appearances of all time, and the most bye weeks earned of all time. So, if he wins the divisional round game, and loses in the AFC title game, he goes 1-1 in the playoffs, leading to the conclusion that if he gets a bye every year (which he has done for the majority of the year), he has to go to the Super Bowl more often than he loses in the divisional round to have a >0.500 record, which is a ridiculous thing to ask (unless you're Jim Kelly ). When you think beyond the raw number, he's no choker, just a guy who's on the wrong side of history because it took him 8 or so years to win his first one and won too many games in the regular season to pad his playoff record against lousy teams.

On February 25 2014 02:09 cLutZ wrote:
Peter King, always politically correct, seemingly always clueless.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/24/johnny-manziel-monday-morning-quarterback/5/

Show nested quote +
The league’s Competition Committee meets in Florida beginning Friday, and one of the items on the agenda will be discussion on a rule to flag players for using the n-word on the field during games. I’m unequivocally in favor of it, and can see no reason why it wouldn’t be enacted …


The last thing the NFL wants is refs to be throwing more flags that the fans have no idea why they were thrown.

I was fine with the rule, but I hadn't considered this angle. People think the refs are bad enough, adding more fuel to that fire probably isn't a great idea. Perhaps if they just name a penalty after it? Personal Foul, Language Abuse?

Also, is it only if a white guy says it or is it across the board zero tolerance?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 24 2014 17:27 GMT
#29
On February 25 2014 02:23 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 02:11 Ouija wrote:
On February 25 2014 01:55 AgentW wrote:
The fact that you refer to Peyton Manning as "the choke artist" tells me all I need to know about you.

Have a good one.


The fact that you think 1 sentence in an argument about football can tell you everything you need to know about a person is mind blowing. Unless all you think you need to know is whether or not someone likes peyton manning.

I have been watching peyton manning play in the NFL just like everyone else for at least the past 10-12 years. While I am not going to argue with anyone how good he is because I know he is one of the greatest ever. I have watched him in the playoffs countless times and he always ends up what I like to call "choking" and end up losing after his more often than not stellar regular season performance.

Don't take my wording too literally. I'm not judging your character, merely your knowledge of football.

First you cite general, counting stats, which is becoming accepted as an outdated phenomenon. Next, you say that Detroit can't play run D which is either anecdotal or simply incorrect. Last, you refer to someone as "the choke artist" because he doesn't win the majority of his playoff games.

I don't want to turn this into a Peyton Manning debate (because we were originally talking about the Browns) but I'll lay down the points really quickly. Manning has the most playoff appearances of all time, and the most bye weeks earned of all time. So, if he wins the divisional round game, and loses in the AFC title game, he goes 1-1 in the playoffs, leading to the conclusion that if he gets a bye every year (which he has done for the majority of the year), he has to go to the Super Bowl more often than he loses in the divisional round to have a >0.500 record, which is a ridiculous thing to ask (unless you're Jim Kelly ). When you think beyond the raw number, he's no choker, just a guy who's on the wrong side of history because it took him 8 or so years to win his first one and won too many games in the regular season to pad his playoff record against lousy teams.


And spent his time in an organization that subsequent history is showing to be...overrated at best.
Freeeeeeedom
FatChicksUnited
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada214 Posts
February 24 2014 19:19 GMT
#30
On February 25 2014 02:09 cLutZ wrote:
Peter King, always politically correct, seemingly always clueless.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/24/johnny-manziel-monday-morning-quarterback/5/

Show nested quote +
The league’s Competition Committee meets in Florida beginning Friday, and one of the items on the agenda will be discussion on a rule to flag players for using the n-word on the field during games. I’m unequivocally in favor of it, and can see no reason why it wouldn’t be enacted …


The last thing the NFL wants is refs to be throwing more flags that the fans have no idea why they were thrown.

It's going to be fantastic when some O-Lineman decides to pick up ventrilloquism as a hobby, or when the networks start showing close-up replays of players' faces after a flag, and you have hundreds of thousands of fans trying to lipread the players in slow motion.
Fat chicks need love too.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
February 24 2014 22:03 GMT
#31
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000328862/Clowney-s-outstanding-combine-performance

fuck so beast
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 25 2014 21:54 GMT
#32
This idea is a little weird and maybe I don't understand all the ins and outs of it, but here's my idea:

The Cowboys should trade Tony Romo to the Texans for the first pick (and probably other things). Dallas isn't going anywhere the next few years; their books are a mess. The Texans have a lot of pieces but Schaub has gone downhill quickly. The Texans can make a leap and the Cowboys can develop a QB while fixing their cap situation.

Granted, good QBs rarely move and a decent part of Dallas' motivation would be out of charity to Romo. Even if it made sense, I don't see Jones doing it because 1) Romo guarantees a few more years of .500 seasons and 2) It would admit his significant failings.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
February 25 2014 22:37 GMT
#33
I heard a good bit of radio from Cowherd the other day, regarding the image that NFL players are putting out and what the media likes to focus on.

basically what he said is, look at the legal problems NFL players have had in the last few years. murder, rape, assault, domestic abuse, drug trafficking, DUI, and more. And yet, you barely hear anything about that stuff. Ray Rice, the most recent player to face legal trouble, is barely mentioned on the news anymore and the story isn't 2 weeks old yet. No one talks about Aaron Hernandez, Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Johnson, or any of the countless other players who've allegedly committed crimes.

But Michael Sam is an everyday story now. I realize that he would be the first openly gay NFL player, but if society and the media are as progressive as they make themselves out to be, this would be a non-story. Yet another reason I dropped out of journalism school...
:-)
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
February 25 2014 22:45 GMT
#34
On February 26 2014 07:37 LeeDawg wrote:
I heard a good bit of radio from Cowherd the other day, regarding the image that NFL players are putting out and what the media likes to focus on.

basically what he said is, look at the legal problems NFL players have had in the last few years. murder, rape, assault, domestic abuse, drug trafficking, DUI, and more. And yet, you barely hear anything about that stuff. Ray Rice, the most recent player to face legal trouble, is barely mentioned on the news anymore and the story isn't 2 weeks old yet. No one talks about Aaron Hernandez, Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Johnson, or any of the countless other players who've allegedly committed crimes.

But Michael Sam is an everyday story now. I realize that he would be the first openly gay NFL player, but if society and the media are as progressive as they make themselves out to be, this would be a non-story. Yet another reason I dropped out of journalism school...

I dunno I love making allegedly jokes about all of the above, but maybe thats just me.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 25 2014 23:14 GMT
#35
It really grates on me when people who are in one field start talking as if their opinion was fit to be heard on other issues. ESPN is a sports website. The only people that command an ounce of gravitas on issues outside of sports on that site are Whitlock and to some extent Lipsyte or whoever else happens to be the ombudsman. Why then are people who barely count as journalists talking as if they are experts on society? Besides, nobody else in that organization is paid to or equipped to, and in fact are discouraged from, raising dissenting opinions. That's what we call a soapbox. That's why I think Bob Costas is irresponsible- nobody cares about his opinion, he's only an expert in talking, and nobody is allowed to directly contradict him. So what happens is whatever is P.C. at the moment floats to the top. Arnovitz's first article on Jason Collins wasn't an invitation to open discussion- it was a notice that discussion was closed and dissenters would be dealt with harshly. I agree Michael Sam that should be a non-story, but if you think that what drives the highest levels of social and political issues is the happiness and welfare of individuals, I have news for you.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 25 2014 23:59 GMT
#36
On February 26 2014 06:54 Jerubaal wrote:
This idea is a little weird and maybe I don't understand all the ins and outs of it, but here's my idea:

The Cowboys should trade Tony Romo to the Texans for the first pick (and probably other things). Dallas isn't going anywhere the next few years; their books are a mess. The Texans have a lot of pieces but Schaub has gone downhill quickly. The Texans can make a leap and the Cowboys can develop a QB while fixing their cap situation.

Granted, good QBs rarely move and a decent part of Dallas' motivation would be out of charity to Romo. Even if it made sense, I don't see Jones doing it because 1) Romo guarantees a few more years of .500 seasons and 2) It would admit his significant failings.

Romo's too old and makes too much money to command the number one pick. The Texans laugh as they hang up on Jerry Jones.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
February 26 2014 00:28 GMT
#37
So what exactly is going on with Ray Rice. If it's determined he really did KO his fiancee in an elevator he has to get in some sort of trouble with the league... right?

I wonder if Ray thought about running from the cops but knew he'd only get about 1.4 yards.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
February 26 2014 00:32 GMT
#38
On February 26 2014 09:28 DannyJ wrote:
So what exactly is going on with Ray Rice. If it's determined he really did KO his fiancee in an elevator he has to get in some sort of trouble with the league... right?

I wonder if Ray thought about running from the cops but knew he'd only get about 1.4 yards.

Then he tried to carry her to the car, but he only went about 1 yard before he gave up and dragged her.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 26 2014 00:32 GMT
#39
So you're saying that people still overvalue potential? Look at the last 10 or so QBs taken with the #1 pick. Going by that, what odds do you give the Texans for getting a QB that will ever be as good as Romo, let alone in the next couple of years? 20%? The Texans can laugh now and cry as it takes them another 10 years to rebuild.

I don't know if Romo would restructure his contract to go to another team, but it's worth asking him. The thought occured to me because we have one good QB on a team that's going nowhere and a team that's a QB away from being much better. You know any other teams/players that fit that bill? Maybe the Vikings for the team that needs a QB? What other QB would leave though?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
February 26 2014 00:56 GMT
#40
On February 26 2014 09:28 DannyJ wrote:
I wonder if Ray thought about running from the cops but knew he'd only get about 1.4 yards.

rofl... that gave me a good laugh.
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