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Ouija
United States129 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On February 25 2014 01:31 y0su wrote: look at when they won and lost. Detroit is a great example of why a coach matters. You need to be able to motivate and adjust in the second half of the season. Especially after a bad loss. Fair, but I think as long as your coach is passable (which Schwartz definitely wasn't), you're in the clear. Stafford on the other hand looked brutal in some of those games. On February 25 2014 01:35 Ouija wrote: Serious? 5 years ago lions go 0-16. Today, according to stats of last season, they have 7th ranked offense in terms of total yards and 13th in scoring. On the defensive side overall they are not as good with only 17th Total Defense, mainly caused by the huge lack of run defense. I would say that is a major difference from 0-16. I was not claiming that the browns will be making a superbowl run or anything like that. They are slowly getting better though. Detroit finished 19th in offensive DVOA and 14th in defensive DVOA via Football Outsiders. Sounds like a 7-9 team to me. I don't see what your point is. A team can go from terrible to mediocre in 5 years? Of course they can. EDIT: Also LOL you think Detroit had a bad rushing defense last year. 5th in rush defense DVOA. | ||
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Ouija
United States129 Posts
So Detroit is even better than I have been claiming. I don't use DVOA or even know what it is. I go by NFL's stats since that's the league. My whole point, which is why I responded to Y0su originally was that Clevland does not need a peyton manning legit quaterback to be good. I was using detroit as my example of how a team can go from horrible to a pretty good football team without the choke artist I mentioned before. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
Have a good one. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On February 25 2014 01:40 AgentW wrote: Fair, but I think as long as your coach is passable (which Schwartz definitely wasn't), you're in the clear. Stafford on the other hand looked brutal in some of those games. Detroit finished 19th in offensive DVOA and 14th in defensive DVOA via Football Outsiders. Sounds like a 7-9 team to me. I don't see what your point is. A team can go from terrible to mediocre in 5 years? Of course they can. EDIT: Also LOL you think Detroit had a bad rushing defense last year. 5th in rush defense DVOA. Werd. People who played fantasy last year know that you don't run on the Lions. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/24/johnny-manziel-monday-morning-quarterback/5/ The league’s Competition Committee meets in Florida beginning Friday, and one of the items on the agenda will be discussion on a rule to flag players for using the n-word on the field during games. I’m unequivocally in favor of it, and can see no reason why it wouldn’t be enacted … The last thing the NFL wants is refs to be throwing more flags that the fans have no idea why they were thrown. | ||
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Ouija
United States129 Posts
On February 25 2014 01:55 AgentW wrote: The fact that you refer to Peyton Manning as "the choke artist" tells me all I need to know about you. Have a good one. The fact that you think 1 sentence in an argument about football can tell you everything you need to know about a person is mind blowing. Unless all you think you need to know is whether or not someone likes peyton manning. I have been watching peyton manning play in the NFL just like everyone else for at least the past 10-12 years. While I am not going to argue with anyone how good he is because I know he is one of the greatest ever. I have watched him in the playoffs countless times and he always ends up what I like to call "choking" and end up losing after his more often than not stellar regular season performance. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On February 25 2014 02:11 Ouija wrote: The fact that you think 1 sentence in an argument about football can tell you everything you need to know about a person is mind blowing. Unless all you think you need to know is whether or not someone likes peyton manning. I have been watching peyton manning play in the NFL just like everyone else for at least the past 10-12 years. While I am not going to argue with anyone how good he is because I know he is one of the greatest ever. I have watched him in the playoffs countless times and he always ends up what I like to call "choking" and end up losing after his more often than not stellar regular season performance. Don't take my wording too literally. I'm not judging your character, merely your knowledge of football. First you cite general, counting stats, which is becoming accepted as an outdated phenomenon. Next, you say that Detroit can't play run D which is either anecdotal or simply incorrect. Last, you refer to someone as "the choke artist" because he doesn't win the majority of his playoff games. I don't want to turn this into a Peyton Manning debate (because we were originally talking about the Browns) but I'll lay down the points really quickly. Manning has the most playoff appearances of all time, and the most bye weeks earned of all time. So, if he wins the divisional round game, and loses in the AFC title game, he goes 1-1 in the playoffs, leading to the conclusion that if he gets a bye every year (which he has done for the majority of the year), he has to go to the Super Bowl more often than he loses in the divisional round to have a >0.500 record, which is a ridiculous thing to ask (unless you're Jim Kelly ). When you think beyond the raw number, he's no choker, just a guy who's on the wrong side of history because it took him 8 or so years to win his first one and won too many games in the regular season to pad his playoff record against lousy teams.On February 25 2014 02:09 cLutZ wrote: Peter King, always politically correct, seemingly always clueless. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/24/johnny-manziel-monday-morning-quarterback/5/ The last thing the NFL wants is refs to be throwing more flags that the fans have no idea why they were thrown. I was fine with the rule, but I hadn't considered this angle. People think the refs are bad enough, adding more fuel to that fire probably isn't a great idea. Perhaps if they just name a penalty after it? Personal Foul, Language Abuse? Also, is it only if a white guy says it or is it across the board zero tolerance? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 25 2014 02:23 AgentW wrote: Don't take my wording too literally. I'm not judging your character, merely your knowledge of football. First you cite general, counting stats, which is becoming accepted as an outdated phenomenon. Next, you say that Detroit can't play run D which is either anecdotal or simply incorrect. Last, you refer to someone as "the choke artist" because he doesn't win the majority of his playoff games. I don't want to turn this into a Peyton Manning debate (because we were originally talking about the Browns) but I'll lay down the points really quickly. Manning has the most playoff appearances of all time, and the most bye weeks earned of all time. So, if he wins the divisional round game, and loses in the AFC title game, he goes 1-1 in the playoffs, leading to the conclusion that if he gets a bye every year (which he has done for the majority of the year), he has to go to the Super Bowl more often than he loses in the divisional round to have a >0.500 record, which is a ridiculous thing to ask (unless you're Jim Kelly ). When you think beyond the raw number, he's no choker, just a guy who's on the wrong side of history because it took him 8 or so years to win his first one and won too many games in the regular season to pad his playoff record against lousy teams.And spent his time in an organization that subsequent history is showing to be...overrated at best. | ||
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On February 25 2014 02:09 cLutZ wrote: Peter King, always politically correct, seemingly always clueless. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/24/johnny-manziel-monday-morning-quarterback/5/ The last thing the NFL wants is refs to be throwing more flags that the fans have no idea why they were thrown. It's going to be fantastic when some O-Lineman decides to pick up ventrilloquism as a hobby, or when the networks start showing close-up replays of players' faces after a flag, and you have hundreds of thousands of fans trying to lipread the players in slow motion. | ||
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GTR
51574 Posts
fuck so beast | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
The Cowboys should trade Tony Romo to the Texans for the first pick (and probably other things). Dallas isn't going anywhere the next few years; their books are a mess. The Texans have a lot of pieces but Schaub has gone downhill quickly. The Texans can make a leap and the Cowboys can develop a QB while fixing their cap situation. Granted, good QBs rarely move and a decent part of Dallas' motivation would be out of charity to Romo. Even if it made sense, I don't see Jones doing it because 1) Romo guarantees a few more years of .500 seasons and 2) It would admit his significant failings. | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
basically what he said is, look at the legal problems NFL players have had in the last few years. murder, rape, assault, domestic abuse, drug trafficking, DUI, and more. And yet, you barely hear anything about that stuff. Ray Rice, the most recent player to face legal trouble, is barely mentioned on the news anymore and the story isn't 2 weeks old yet. No one talks about Aaron Hernandez, Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Johnson, or any of the countless other players who've allegedly committed crimes. But Michael Sam is an everyday story now. I realize that he would be the first openly gay NFL player, but if society and the media are as progressive as they make themselves out to be, this would be a non-story. Yet another reason I dropped out of journalism school... | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On February 26 2014 07:37 LeeDawg wrote: I heard a good bit of radio from Cowherd the other day, regarding the image that NFL players are putting out and what the media likes to focus on. basically what he said is, look at the legal problems NFL players have had in the last few years. murder, rape, assault, domestic abuse, drug trafficking, DUI, and more. And yet, you barely hear anything about that stuff. Ray Rice, the most recent player to face legal trouble, is barely mentioned on the news anymore and the story isn't 2 weeks old yet. No one talks about Aaron Hernandez, Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Johnson, or any of the countless other players who've allegedly committed crimes. But Michael Sam is an everyday story now. I realize that he would be the first openly gay NFL player, but if society and the media are as progressive as they make themselves out to be, this would be a non-story. Yet another reason I dropped out of journalism school... I dunno I love making allegedly jokes about all of the above, but maybe thats just me. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On February 26 2014 06:54 Jerubaal wrote: This idea is a little weird and maybe I don't understand all the ins and outs of it, but here's my idea: The Cowboys should trade Tony Romo to the Texans for the first pick (and probably other things). Dallas isn't going anywhere the next few years; their books are a mess. The Texans have a lot of pieces but Schaub has gone downhill quickly. The Texans can make a leap and the Cowboys can develop a QB while fixing their cap situation. Granted, good QBs rarely move and a decent part of Dallas' motivation would be out of charity to Romo. Even if it made sense, I don't see Jones doing it because 1) Romo guarantees a few more years of .500 seasons and 2) It would admit his significant failings. Romo's too old and makes too much money to command the number one pick. The Texans laugh as they hang up on Jerry Jones. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
I wonder if Ray thought about running from the cops but knew he'd only get about 1.4 yards. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On February 26 2014 09:28 DannyJ wrote: So what exactly is going on with Ray Rice. If it's determined he really did KO his fiancee in an elevator he has to get in some sort of trouble with the league... right? I wonder if Ray thought about running from the cops but knew he'd only get about 1.4 yards. Then he tried to carry her to the car, but he only went about 1 yard before he gave up and dragged her. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I don't know if Romo would restructure his contract to go to another team, but it's worth asking him. The thought occured to me because we have one good QB on a team that's going nowhere and a team that's a QB away from being much better. You know any other teams/players that fit that bill? Maybe the Vikings for the team that needs a QB? What other QB would leave though? | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On February 26 2014 09:28 DannyJ wrote: I wonder if Ray thought about running from the cops but knew he'd only get about 1.4 yards. rofl... that gave me a good laugh. | ||
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). When you think beyond the raw number, he's no choker, just a guy who's on the wrong side of history because it took him 8 or so years to win his first one and won too many games in the regular season to pad his playoff record against lousy teams.