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On February 26 2014 09:32 Jerubaal wrote: So you're saying that people still overvalue potential? Look at the last 10 or so QBs taken with the #1 pick. Going by that, what odds do you give the Texans for getting a QB that will ever be as good as Romo, let alone in the next couple of years? 20%? The Texans can laugh now and cry as it takes them another 10 years to rebuild.
I don't know if Romo would restructure his contract to go to another team, but it's worth asking him. The thought occured to me because we have one good QB on a team that's going nowhere and a team that's a QB away from being much better. You know any other teams/players that fit that bill? Maybe the Vikings for the team that needs a QB? What other QB would leave though? Okay there's a lot of points here so I'll try to take them on one by one:
-I don't know if people overvalue potential, it's more of that Romo's going to be 34 in two months. That's too old to be giving up for a guy who very likely has the potential to be the starting QB of your franchise for a decade, given the right environment/coaching. Basically, the upside's too high for not a good enough return. -Last 10 QBs drafted first overall: Luck, Newton, Bradford, Stafford, Russell, Smith, Manning, Palmer, Carr, Vick. Of that group, I would say Vick, Palmer, Smith, and Stafford have had similar careers to Romo, Manning has had a better one, and Russell and Carr have flamed out. The jury's still out on Luck, Newton, and Bradford, but the first two look like they're going to project ahead and Bradford is probably Romo at best. So pretty much, the odds look pretty darn good of the guy being Romo or better, plus he's 12 years younger and playing for 1/4 of the price. I can't emphasize enough how much of an advantage that extra $15M is to a team (see Seattle and SF for great examples). -If it takes the Texans ten years to rebuild, they missed on this draft pick which is their fault in some way.
-I don't know if it's in the NFL CBA, but I don't know if players can leave money off the table that's already been agreed to. It doesn't feel like it would be allowed. -Bradford's the QB that I would see going somewhere and potentially making them very good, very quickly. If the Rams had any sense, they'd cut him, save the $10M this season and $12M(?) for next season, and draft a QB at the second slot. -This is a homer pick, but I think the Bills are a QB away from being terrifying, though I'm discourage by the loss of Pettine and our schedule for this upcoming season.
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They would need to find someone willing to take Bradford. Bradford will perform better than Manzeil and Bridgewater this year, one of the two qb's I'd imagine that would be taken at the second slot. I'm a believer that ATL trades picks with STL anyways.
In any other division the Rams are easily a 10+ win team. This year having 2 more early first round picks makes them scarier in the NFC West. They aren't in a spot they need to fish for a QB when they have what they believe is their legacy QB.
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In Bradford I believe. Just give him a legit deep threat to couple with Tavon Austin.
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On February 26 2014 12:31 Irave wrote: They would need to find someone willing to take Bradford. Bradford will perform better than Manzeil and Bridgewater this year, one of the two qb's I'd imagine that would be taken at the second slot. I'm a believer that ATL trades picks with STL anyways.
In any other division the Rams are easily a 10+ win team. This year having 2 more early first round picks makes them scarier in the NFC West. They aren't in a spot they need to fish for a QB when they have what they believe is their legacy QB. Those numbers I gave are if they cut Bradford. I personally don't think that he's the answer there, but most, and of greatest importance, the Rams, do.
The issue that I have with Bradford is he's never proven to be top flight and he was drafted under the old CBA, so he makes like $16M annually. He's going to be up for a raise, and I don't think he's going to be worth nearly $20M moving forward to about 2020, so I'd rather go forward with a cheaper option.
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On February 26 2014 12:42 Souma wrote: In Bradford I believe. Just give him a legit deep threat to couple with Tavon Austin.
It would be hilarious if they signed Edelman during the off season. Not a deep threat but you know the whole Amendola thing. Even with all the WR talent, I don't see them taking a WR early in the draft. Fair amount of FA talent that won't cost heaps, better going that route I think.
On February 26 2014 12:54 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:31 Irave wrote: They would need to find someone willing to take Bradford. Bradford will perform better than Manzeil and Bridgewater this year, one of the two qb's I'd imagine that would be taken at the second slot. I'm a believer that ATL trades picks with STL anyways.
In any other division the Rams are easily a 10+ win team. This year having 2 more early first round picks makes them scarier in the NFC West. They aren't in a spot they need to fish for a QB when they have what they believe is their legacy QB. Those numbers I gave are if they cut Bradford. I personally don't think that he's the answer there, but most, and of greatest importance, the Rams, do. The issue that I have with Bradford is he's never proven to be top flight and he was drafted under the old CBA, so he makes like $16M annually. He's going to be up for a raise, and I don't think he's going to be worth nearly $20M moving forward to about 2020, so I'd rather go forward with a cheaper option. Bradford was coming to form before he got injured. You don't draft a QB this early if you have one you like. Gambling on Manziel or Bridgewater is more of a risk than paying Bradford. Is Bradford getting paid too much yes. Too much that its worth gambling on the future of the team, no.
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I think you're underselling Romo. In my mind he's been the 5th best QB the last few years.
It may be that they can't swing the capspace or have to give up too much, but I think, as I said, the concept of valuing potential so highly is flawed. You're a) betting that you pick a topflight QB and b) hoping you can keep the ship afloat the several years you need for that QB to develop. I don't know the NFL as well, but you see this all the time in the NBA: A team dumps all of their veterans for draft picks, they make the picks and wait for them to develop, then a few years later they dump and pick again. Just keep kickin' that can down the road. IF I could swing that trade, I would KNOW that I was going to be in a good situation, instead of the a lot of what ifs.
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I guess it's just a matter of philosophical difference then. I'd rather take the chance at giving my team a (for example's sake) 10% improvement to win in the next 10 years versus a 50% improvement in the next 3 years. You feel the opposite, and that's fine. There's no right answer here!
As for your Romo point, it's fairly clear who the top four are. Perhaps it's because I watch him more than most, but I strongly disagree with anyone who would take Romo over Roethlisberger. I don't think they're very close, either. I'd take Romo over Stafford (from the guys I mentioned earlier), and Eli's a tough argument as well. I'd take Romo over Cutler, but at this point I'm rambling. Is there anyone I missed?
Lastly, I don't think the NBA comparison is quite apt because of the differences in the games. In the NBA, one draft pick can completely change the course of a franchise, whereas in football, one pick is much less likely to make a difference that large.
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Just the way the NFL is, you have to invest in giving yourself the best chance to win now. All of it gets answered with time. Sticking with what you have now, I believe gives you the best chance at that. If Bradford is disappointing this year, its possible the QB's in next years draft are better than what this one has to offer. None of the ones this year, seem worth taking for the Rams. Best to draft elsewhere. Plus with what we've seen of RG3 the Rams have come out from that looking great, still reaping the rewards this year. They're smart people.
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The Seahawks should really take him just to fuck with everyone.
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haha.
it won't end his career, cause in the NFL, if you can play, someone will pick you.
the fact he's a mid 20th ranked prospect at his position means he might not get drafted, but he'll get a shot.
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I don't think he said God called him on his cell phone.
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The article says "[God] told me to sit down, be quiet, and enjoy the peace,".
I am pretty sure a psychologist will say you that this can be a bit problematic. As a mangager i would say "hmm and what happens if god tells him to give the other guys the ball?"
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If he chooses not to work out and teams end up not drafting him there's a pretty good chance he could sign with Seattle as an undrafted fa... Someone with that sort of conviction might not actually care that he's making a fraction of the money he would otherwise.
Fwiw, I am a religious spiritual person but am still highly skeptical here...
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On February 26 2014 19:08 y0su wrote: If he chooses not to work out and teams end up not drafting him there's a pretty good chance he could sign with Seattle as an undrafted fa... Someone with that sort of conviction might not actually care that he's making a fraction of the money he would otherwise.
Fwiw, I am a religious spiritual person but am still highly skeptical here...
Even if you are assuming that doesn´t have a mental illness would a GM and a coach really risk having him in the locker room with 50 other guys who most likely will not share his religion? There could be muslims, other very religious christs from other churches and even gay people. Would you really take you team chemistry at risk for a mediocre player?
Or just draft him in the 7th round and yell "where is your god now muhahaha".
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I'm sure he'll feel right at home with Stevie Johnson.
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On February 26 2014 20:07 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 19:08 y0su wrote: If he chooses not to work out and teams end up not drafting him there's a pretty good chance he could sign with Seattle as an undrafted fa... Someone with that sort of conviction might not actually care that he's making a fraction of the money he would otherwise.
Fwiw, I am a religious spiritual person but am still highly skeptical here...
Even if you are assuming that doesn´t have a mental illness would a GM and a coach really risk having him in the locker room with 50 other guys who most likely will not share his religion? There could be muslims, other very religious christs from other churches and even gay people. Would you really take you team chemistry at risk for a mediocre player? Or just draft him in the 7th round and yell "where is your god now muhahaha". Since religion hardly ever gets mentioned as a locker room issue I doubt it would be a concern...
I assume he had a mental breakdown from the anxiety surrounding the combine. I think this would be a rather straight forward issue for a psychologist to help him with. He obviously hurt his value but by no means killed his career chances.
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So all of the Niners brass is in Miami right now for an "NFL meeting." The scuttlebutt among the Niners beat-writers is that they're talking with Dolphins ownership about trading Harbaugh.
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What do you guys think of all the attention that the n-word is getting in the sport right now? Sherman thinks that banning just that word is almost racist itself, I kinda see where hes coming from
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