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HolydaKing
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:20 cecek wrote: "Favored by far" is a stretch that only exists in my mind, but "France should have got this race in the bag" is completely reasonable. Sure, mate. Also, gratz on your 4k post. You said they were favored, I said they were supposed to win. You are talking of odds, I'm talking of what should happen in order for the world to be right :D Anyway I thought Anais Bescond could at least stop shouting like a 12y old for once and let her skis time and the men do the work but it seems she can't handle the pressure. I can't blame Dorin-Habert too much, she is coming back from an injury but I would have prefered to have Brunet in her stead, at least the latter shoots like a robot. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On February 19 2014 16:36 L1ghtning wrote: You shouldn't speak about things that you don't know much about. Now, I'm not a huge figure skating fan, but that's exactly why I assume the americans to be not guilty until proven otherwise. They caught the bribed judge in 2002, and they changed the scoring system afterwards, to make it easier in the future to expose corrupt judges. If Davis/White got their gold because of bribes, then it means that they've successfully bribed the judges in all the events that they have participated in, in the last 2 years, without ever getting caught. That's just a ridiculous accusation. Davis/White went into the olympics undeafeated for 2 years. That's what you call a almost certain gold. And pretty much everybody agrees that Davis/White were on par or better than they've been in prior events. If a pair is almost a lock for gold, and they perform flawlessly, then why do you assume that they won because of corrupt judging? It makes no sense to assume this. You assume this because that's what a few very vocal fans of Virtue/Moir (where almost all of them are canadians) are saying. Show some respect for these two olympic gold winners for crying out loud. If you want to put blame on someone, then blame their coach. Yes, Davis/White and Virtue/Moir have the same coach, and many fans of Virtue/Moir's are saying that their current programs aren't as good as their Olympic programs from Vancouver. This to me seems like a more logical explanation to why they've been nr 2 in all the competitions lately. While I tried to refrain from posting regarding this sensitive topic... I have to chip in here and say that the quoted poster (JimmyJRaynor) and the video broadcaster does not directly accuse the American pair of successfully bribing the judges in all the events that they have participated in the past 2 years. Even in the video, I think the accusations on bribery only pertains to the current 2014 Sochi olympics (with 2002 Salt Lake considered a "solved case"), while the corruption and ambiguity in judging issues are stretched to the past. Prior events can be used as a good preliminary indicator of expectations, that's something that can be accepted by the common masses. I do follow major figure skating events around the year and yes the American pair have been fantastic. Even so, I think most casters and ice skating experts in this olympics went as far as to describe the American pair as "dominant in the past few years" and "the team to beat", while "certain gold" sounds like a stretch to me. Well, that's individual judgement, I'll leave it at that. The point is, in the two programs, the American pair were not flawless. As explained in the video, there's something called "Finnstep" that the Americans did not execute as well as the Canadians, but the scoring told the opposite story. I'm not an expert on the scoring components of ice dancing pairs, so in the lack of counter-evidence, I'm compelled to believe the argument presented in the video. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
 Germany is pretty bad in Biathlon these days, but at least a pretty good showing from the men. Sadly, especially the women team was our strength not too long ago. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4033 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:38 HolydaKing wrote: Yay, gg Norway! Grats Germany is pretty bad in Biathlon these days, but at least a pretty good showing from the men. Sadly, especially the women team was our strength not too long ago. Yes really strange. You had an ex-skier last year who was really good, what happened to her this season? Henkel is already done, and the rest are equally bad as russian female team ... | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
 Hey, at least they tried. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:40 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Yes really strange. You had an ex-skier last year who was really good, what happened to her this season? Henkel is already done, and the rest are equally bad as russian female team ... I guess you mean Gössner, she had a cycling accident which fractured three vertebrae last summer, she couldn't finish this season because the pain was just too much. No one knows if she will ever be fit enough to compete at the highest levels again. So that's what happens when the 2 best German women of their generation - who are in their mid twenties - are missing. Basically one generation of female biathletes is lost to us with Neuners retirement and Gössners horrible injury. What we have left are 32+ biathletes with Henkel and Sachenbacher who are beyond their prime, and talents like Laura Dahlmeier and Franziska Preuss who are 21- and not there yet. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On February 19 2014 23:53 cecek wrote: Fuck yeah, Sablikova! Congratz! Really good race. She is incredible! | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
I only found a korean stream http://kpopstreamonline.blogspot.de/p/sbs.html Kim Yuna up next. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:26 Otolia wrote: You said they were favored, I said they were supposed to win. You are talking of odds, I'm talking of what should happen in order for the world to be right :D Anyway I thought Anais Bescond could at least stop shouting like a 12y old for once and let her skis time and the men do the work but it seems she can't handle the pressure. I can't blame Dorin-Habert too much, she is coming back from an injury but I would have prefered to have Brunet in her stead, at least the latter shoots like a robot. I don't think France had a very good shot at reaching silver or gold. Norway were huge favorites for gold, and so was Czech Republic for silver. Norway had no weakness on their lineup. The czech had the strongest women's lineup, plus Moravec, who is easily top 5 among the men. Fourcade is a beast, but I think you're overestimating the french women. They were going to lag behind the czech and norwegian women by a lot. Dorin-Habert was a huge question mark and could have performed a lot worse than she did, and Bescond is not strong enough, atleast not consistently. Even without the extra loop, Moravec would have had over a 1 min lead on Fourcade, and that is too much for a sprint. A bad day for the czech and a good day for the french, and France would have gotten the silver, but Norway and Czech Republic were heavy Gold and Silver favorites. France will have a legit mixed relay team when Dorin-Habert gets back in form though. France also have a realistic shot in the men's relay imo, although Austria and Norway are probably the favorites there. | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:28 OpticalShot wrote: While I tried to refrain from posting regarding this sensitive topic... I have to chip in here and say that the quoted poster (JimmyJRaynor) and the video broadcaster does not directly accuse the American pair of successfully bribing the judges in all the events that they have participated in the past 2 years. Even in the video, I think the accusations on bribery only pertains to the current 2014 Sochi olympics (with 2002 Salt Lake considered a "solved case"), while the corruption and ambiguity in judging issues are stretched to the past. Prior events can be used as a good preliminary indicator of expectations, that's something that can be accepted by the common masses. I do follow major figure skating events around the year and yes the American pair have been fantastic. Even so, I think most casters and ice skating experts in this olympics went as far as to describe the American pair as "dominant in the past few years" and "the team to beat", while "certain gold" sounds like a stretch to me. Well, that's individual judgement, I'll leave it at that. The point is, in the two programs, the American pair were not flawless. As explained in the video, there's something called "Finnstep" that the Americans did not execute as well as the Canadians, but the scoring told the opposite story. I'm not an expert on the scoring components of ice dancing pairs, so in the lack of counter-evidence, I'm compelled to believe the argument presented in the video. I trust the average rating of the judges more than a few random experts opinions. Just because some guy says that the canadians should have had a higher score on a specific component doesn't mean that his opinion is the truth. He might be biased himself, or he might not be fully aware at the criterias that the judges use in their ratings. When two pairs are this closely matched, it's only natural that ppl disagrees with the judging. The canadians accused them of using bribes in the team events too. Did they do bad finn-steps there too, or what was the issue then? | ||
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Chaosu
Poland404 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:40 AsnSensation wrote: For the people that want to watch figure skating (at least in germany it's showing bobsleigh instead currently) I only found a korean stream http://kpopstreamonline.blogspot.de/p/sbs.html Kim Yuna up next. I don't know if it will work for you but Poland streams everything, some of the transmissions are just video feed without commentary. http://sport.tvp.pl/soczi/13010508/transmisje | ||
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dgsdm
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