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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 30 2014 19:10 GMT
#1021
I did the P90x ab ripper workout and my hip flexors were so atrociously sore I couldn't even fully extend either leg for 3-4 days. This is despite hitting legs twice a week for years and having donea bunch of core work before. I would really not recommend doing P90x; just do a solid weightlifting program.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 19:27:45
March 30 2014 19:27 GMT
#1022
Haha yes Ab ripper x does wreck your hip flexors, can confirm. Is there a quick credible write-up on creating use anyone would recommend? I'll just follow what it says
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 30 2014 20:24 GMT
#1023
On March 31 2014 04:27 mordek wrote:
Haha yes Ab ripper x does wreck your hip flexors, can confirm. Is there a quick credible write-up on creating use anyone would recommend? I'll just follow what it says


I've always heard people go back and forth on loading or not loading. It's cheap enough that I guess you might as well?

25g the first day spread into 5 doses. 4 doses the second. 3 the third. 2 the 4th, then 5g a day indefinitely. As Igne said, taken post workout with something that spikes insulin (carbs or whey or BCAAs) you'll get better absorption.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 31 2014 03:41 GMT
#1024
IgnE's guide to taking creatine: take 1 or 2 scoops (5-10g) in a protein shake 5-7 times a week. Creatine is cheap, effective, and not very sensitive to supplementation protocols. It's dummy-proof.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 31 2014 07:30 GMT
#1025
I got the impression you're supposed to take it pre-workout as it's a performance booster. Yes/no?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 31 2014 08:03 GMT
#1026
At steady state, you are theoretically replacing creatine/phosphocreatine that was metabolized during the workout. If you haven't been supplementing with creatine already, you could take it before your workout and it would help, obviously. But honestly, if you just take it every day you will eventually reach supplemental levels that will enhance performance.

If you want to really optimize it, however, uptake is highest after a workout with an insulin spike.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5469 Posts
March 31 2014 09:37 GMT
#1027
Thanks for the responses... I took some today after the gym. It gave me quite a rush actually. I'm sure my body will get used to it and it'll feel like nothing.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
March 31 2014 09:49 GMT
#1028
So I switched from only high bar to a front squat / low bar combination a while ago. I really wanted to do front squats and I felt together with high bar my squatting would become too quad heavy.

Unfortunately now I am running into the same issue that made me stop doing low bar 2 years ago: I get this insane pain in both of my arms. Basically my entire arm hurts, with intense spots just below the elbow and below the shoulder. It's so bad I can't do any push or pulling after, and keeps hurting for several days.

I have really no idea what the hell I am doing wrong. I take so much care to not ever hold the bar with my hands. I believe I have a very good overall setup and I feel very confident about squatting in general. But still my arms get this stupid pain at weights 90kg and more. Lower weights or high bar at any weight and I have zero problems.

Any ideas? Is there something like a nerve in the shoulder than I might press on with the bar that could cause this pain?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 31 2014 09:58 GMT
#1029
Take a video and hope that IgnE/GoTunk! will chip in I guess. Tbh though, if you just add some more deadlift variations/hamstring isolation you can squat highbar and front squat without having to worry about being overly quad dominant.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 31 2014 11:36 GMT
#1030
On March 31 2014 18:49 zatic wrote:
So I switched from only high bar to a front squat / low bar combination a while ago. I really wanted to do front squats and I felt together with high bar my squatting would become too quad heavy.

Unfortunately now I am running into the same issue that made me stop doing low bar 2 years ago: I get this insane pain in both of my arms. Basically my entire arm hurts, with intense spots just below the elbow and below the shoulder. It's so bad I can't do any push or pulling after, and keeps hurting for several days.

I have really no idea what the hell I am doing wrong. I take so much care to not ever hold the bar with my hands. I believe I have a very good overall setup and I feel very confident about squatting in general. But still my arms get this stupid pain at weights 90kg and more. Lower weights or high bar at any weight and I have zero problems.

Any ideas? Is there something like a nerve in the shoulder than I might press on with the bar that could cause this pain?

I got crazy armpain as well when I did lowbar, and I put it down to the way I twisted my arms back to steady the bar. If not a nerv, maybe it has something to do with interrupting bloodflow?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
March 31 2014 11:47 GMT
#1031
I had some problems with my arms/shoulders on heavy squats before, guess it's caused by inflexibility in my case. I just put my hands all the way out by the collars of the bar and it forces you to really hold the weight with your back and only use the hands to prevent rotation of the bar. You probably lose out on some tightness in the back but I haven't had any problems since.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
March 31 2014 13:25 GMT
#1032
On March 31 2014 18:49 zatic wrote:
So I switched from only high bar to a front squat / low bar combination a while ago. I really wanted to do front squats and I felt together with high bar my squatting would become too quad heavy.

Unfortunately now I am running into the same issue that made me stop doing low bar 2 years ago: I get this insane pain in both of my arms. Basically my entire arm hurts, with intense spots just below the elbow and below the shoulder. It's so bad I can't do any push or pulling after, and keeps hurting for several days.

I have really no idea what the hell I am doing wrong. I take so much care to not ever hold the bar with my hands. I believe I have a very good overall setup and I feel very confident about squatting in general. But still my arms get this stupid pain at weights 90kg and more. Lower weights or high bar at any weight and I have zero problems.

Any ideas? Is there something like a nerve in the shoulder than I might press on with the bar that could cause this pain?


Solution: don't low bar back squat
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
March 31 2014 13:27 GMT
#1033
That is not a solution and what I did two years ago. I'd rather fix this silly thing. If I don't like low bar after I can still switch back to high bar - but just avoiding it isn't solving anything for me.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 31 2014 13:30 GMT
#1034
I've never had any issues with my arms when I low bar squatted. I think you'll need to describe the pain onset and point out the exact locations with a picture or something to get anything more constructive. I'd imagine its your shoulder mobility but I mean anyone here is shooting in the dark unless they've experienced the exact same thing and can tell its the same based on your post.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
March 31 2014 17:59 GMT
#1035
Hit a 5 lb PR on my deadlift today. I don't think my form was amazing, but it felt way worse when I was actually lifting. My hips are still a bit tight (you can see my lower back rising as soon as I start to pull), but it's getting way better than before. It takes me a while to get into a decent starting position due to my lack of mobility, so I think I'm going to have to work harder to be able to drop down into that position a little faster. Still, this was when of my better looking "heavy" deadlifts, and it's also 2xBW for me, which is kind of cool (and also kind of sad that I weigh that little).

IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 31 2014 19:34 GMT
#1036
Looked too easy. Probably could have gone heavier. One thing I would keep in mind is that you don't want to be looking up at the bottom like that. Keep your head in line with your back.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
March 31 2014 19:40 GMT
#1037
On April 01 2014 04:34 IgnE wrote:
Looked too easy. Probably could have gone heavier. One thing I would keep in mind is that you don't want to be looking up at the bottom like that. Keep your head in line with your back.

I thought it felt easy too, but then when I tried to do more reps I couldn't even pull the bar off the floor, lol. Next time I deadlift I'll try to go a bit heavier. Also, was my back in an acceptable position in terms of rounding? Sometimes I see people saying that even having your back rounded to that degree is really bad for you, but it feels really hard to keep my back properly arched when the weight gets heavier.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 31 2014 19:44 GMT
#1038
On April 01 2014 04:40 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 04:34 IgnE wrote:
Looked too easy. Probably could have gone heavier. One thing I would keep in mind is that you don't want to be looking up at the bottom like that. Keep your head in line with your back.

I thought it felt easy too, but then when I tried to do more reps I couldn't even pull the bar off the floor, lol. Next time I deadlift I'll try to go a bit heavier. Also, was my back in an acceptable position in terms of rounding? Sometimes I see people saying that even having your back rounded to that degree is really bad for you, but it feels really hard to keep my back properly arched when the weight gets heavier.


There is no such thing as max effort deadlifts with straight back. Just remember to keep abs as tight as possible and squeezing ur butt trough the entire lift; what you want to avoid is extra rounding of the back as you pull.

A good cue for the head is to "drive your head into your traps"
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
March 31 2014 20:11 GMT
#1039
On April 01 2014 04:34 IgnE wrote:
Looked too easy. Probably could have gone heavier. One thing I would keep in mind is that you don't want to be looking up at the bottom like that. Keep your head in line with your back.


Agreed. I've strained my neck doing this ~~
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
March 31 2014 22:12 GMT
#1040
How tall are you guitarist? You look fairly well built for a 150 lb. guy
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