This performance was indeed somewhat typical for Leverkusen agaisnt top teams.
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
This performance was indeed somewhat typical for Leverkusen agaisnt top teams. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:09 TheDWorm wrote: But also takes away much potential (in regard of developing teams - replacing players) for the rest. Take the BL matches - they are boring why should someone offer the same (or almost the same) money for BL as for EPL where the top matches are not so onesided as in Germany (fe. see the matches in the last years from schalke, leverkusen against Bayern). And lets be honest noone (excluding the team fans) wants to see onesided matches. Edit: that sounds like im blaming bayern for being to good but what i mean is that the BL needs to secure ways for other teams to develop to the top level without making bayern worst cuz at mom its too hard (if not impossible) for any team to keep a positive trend over some years going. Was curious about this, so I just did some calculations about the goals per game of Europe's top five leagues (PL, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1). The Bundesliga has the most goals per game by quite a bit: Premier League: 302 goals in 120 matches, 2.516 goals per game Bundesliga: 383 goals in 117 matches, 3.274 goals per game La Liga: 407 goals in 140 matches, 2.907 goals per game Serie A: 356 goals in 130 matches, 2.738 goals per game Ligue 1: 335 goals in 140 matches, 2.393 goals per game Fun fact: The Bundesliga has only had two 0-0 games in thirteen matchdays. Statistically, it should be the most entertaining :O On November 28 2013 07:38 Twisted wrote: If most goals = most entertaining, then the Scottish league is the most entertaining league in the world with their standard 6-6 scorelines ;o SPL: 209 goals in 82 matches, 2.549 goals per game D: | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
They beat Juventus twice, Barca twice, Dortmund, CSKA Moscow twice, Viktoria Plzen twice, and Manchester City once to beat Barca's record of nine set in 2002. They've outscored the opposition 28-3, with two of the opposition's goals being penalties. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Pretty sick though, they may get another treble this year. | ||
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Norway28674 Posts
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mevshero
911 Posts
it's these 10 championsleague games with beating juve, barcelona, dortmund and so on + that like 40 games unbeaten in the bundesliga right now. that's so impressive. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:09 TheDWorm wrote: But also takes away much potential (in regard of developing teams - replacing players) for the rest. Take the BL matches - they are boring why should someone offer the same (or almost the same) money for BL as for EPL where the top matches are not so onesided as in Germany (fe. see the matches in the last years from schalke, leverkusen against Bayern). And lets be honest noone (excluding the team fans) wants to see onesided matches. Edit: that sounds like im blaming bayern for being to good but what i mean is that the BL needs to secure ways for other teams to develop to the top level without making bayern worst cuz at mom its too hard (if not impossible) for any team to keep a positive trend over some years going. Interestingly enough, if you take out Bayern, then the BL is by far the most competitive league, both in terms of team performance and competitive regulations. That said, that's not the case, so you have to take Bayern into account. The problem is that Bayern steadily built up their financial clout while the BL was still a secondary league. This meant that, like we see in basically every country with a not top-tier league, only one (maybe two) teams reaped the financial benefits. Because of this, the gap between Bayern and the rest continued to grow, and now we have a situation where Bayern has won 22 titles (the next highest being 5 by BVB and BMG) and there's no end in sight. Like I said, the BL probably has some of the best competitive regulations in Europe, but, like all European football, their still incredibly lax (compared to an American PoV). Contrast that with England, where they were the major economic and cultural superpower on the continent for a very long time. This let a number of clubs become strong and develop as financial powerhouses, which has led to the situation we have now. For the BL to become a really good league with a number of internationally competitive teams like England, rules would need to be implemented to somehow tear down some of Bayern's financial dominance and somehow lift other clubs to near that level. Until then, Bayern will continue to spend over double what BVB does and probably over 15 times what Eintracht Braunschweig does, and we won't see competition. As a side note, even with Bayern's dominance, the Bundesliga has still had more different champions (5) since 2000 than the BPL (4), Serie A (4), and La Liga (3). English is the global language, that's the PL's biggest advantage. The Spanish, Italian and German football cultures aren't worse in any way. People tend to underestimate the power of language. The PL's advantage is money. England's advantage always has been money, and that (and language) is their advantage. I find German fans to be much more passionate and fun, and German games to be far more entertaining (not including Bayern games). But when England was the original powerhouse football league, that leads to it being the financial juggernaut among football leagues in Europe, and that leads to better teams and more competition. | ||
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
On November 28 2013 08:07 Copymizer wrote: Don't forget that BL has the highest average fan attendance in the european leagues In my country, the press thinks that its because the average ticket prices. Here sometimes you have to pay 90 € for a match, in the BL the prices are around 30 € (?) How are the prices in your countries, guys (more less)? | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
The game vs ManU demonstrated why this team is not going to win anything (besides maybe a German Cup once in a while). It sounds so clichée but they simply don't have a winning mentallity. I don't even know why I should root for them to get to the Ro16 - they would just get destroyed anyway. My consolation is that I think they are more like the forth best team in Germany. Dortmund is clearly better and I think even Schalke would be much better - but they have to deal with lots of injuries, a not very good coach and an even worse front office (I still cannot comprehend why they fired Stevens). But if everyone was healthy, the team would be very strong regardless. Anyway, yesterday's performance is just inexcusable and I haven't felt so strongly about a football game in forever. This game really puts the Bundesliga in a bad light. I hope they feel the shame. There is a very real possibility that only one german team makes it through to the Ro16... hopefully Dortmund won't let that happen, but I don't have much trust in the other two teams anymore. Basel just looks stronger than Schalke and Leverkusen winning in Spain... I don't think that is going to happen. | ||
sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On November 28 2013 17:59 Malinor wrote: I cannot get over what Leverkusen showed us yesterday. OIf course the team can clearly play much better, but this really has to be a mentallity thing - for years and years, as soon as they play an international team with a big name, they just let themselves get destroyed. And it is not only because the other team is a bit better, they just stand by and watch the other team play football, they don't fight back. The game vs ManU demonstrated why this team is not going to win anything (besides maybe a German Cup once in a while). It sounds so clichée but they simply don't have a winning mentallity. I don't even know why I should root for them to get to the Ro16 - they would just get destroyed anyway. My consolation is that I think they are more like the forth best team in Germany. Dortmund is clearly better and I think even Schalke would be much better - but they have to deal with lots of injuries, a not very good coach and an even worse front office (I still cannot comprehend why they fired Stevens). But if everyone was healthy, the team would be very strong regardless. Anyway, yesterday's performance is just inexcusable and I haven't felt so strongly about a football game in forever. This game really puts the Bundesliga in a bad light. I hope they feel the shame. There is a very real possibility that only one german team makes it through to the Ro16... hopefully Dortmund won't let that happen, but I don't have much trust in the other two teams anymore. Basel just looks stronger than Schalke and Leverkusen winning in Spain... I don't think that is going to happen. Worst thing was leverkusen players being arrogant before the match. I didnt know leverkusen is such a powerhouse to justify this mentality. | ||
Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On November 28 2013 16:53 Stratos_speAr wrote: Interestingly enough, if you take out Bayern, then the BL is by far the most competitive league, both in terms of team performance and competitive regulations. That said, that's not the case, so you have to take Bayern into account. The problem is that Bayern steadily built up their financial clout while the BL was still a secondary league. This meant that, like we see in basically every country with a not top-tier league, only one (maybe two) teams reaped the financial benefits. Because of this, the gap between Bayern and the rest continued to grow, and now we have a situation where Bayern has won 22 titles (the next highest being 5 by BVB and BMG) and there's no end in sight. Like I said, the BL probably has some of the best competitive regulations in Europe, but, like all European football, their still incredibly lax (compared to an American PoV). Contrast that with England, where they were the major economic and cultural superpower on the continent for a very long time. This let a number of clubs become strong and develop as financial powerhouses, which has led to the situation we have now. For the BL to become a really good league with a number of internationally competitive teams like England, rules would need to be implemented to somehow tear down some of Bayern's financial dominance and somehow lift other clubs to near that level. Until then, Bayern will continue to spend over double what BVB does and probably over 15 times what Eintracht Braunschweig does, and we won't see competition. As a side note, even with Bayern's dominance, the Bundesliga has still had more different champions (5) since 2000 than the BPL (4), Serie A (4), and La Liga (3). The PL's advantage is money. England's advantage always has been money, and that (and language) is their advantage. I find German fans to be much more passionate and fun, and German games to be far more entertaining (not including Bayern games). But when England was the original powerhouse football league, that leads to it being the financial juggernaut among football leagues in Europe, and that leads to better teams and more competition. Another thing that is overlooked is the stadiums. Thats also a part of the reason german clubs couldn't make an impact international in the 2000 - 2010 period. For the WM 2006 a lot of stadiums were made, locking up a lot of investment money in that decade. This was mainly because almost all these stadiums were "buyed" and owned by the clubs and the city. The fact that most of the stadiums are part-owned by the city (mostly they have a part of a sub company of the clubs that "own" the stadium) maybe looks weird but is a huge reason why the Bundesliga has the reputation of the fan friendliest league in Europe. Every Stadium has a great infrastructure because the city has an interest to make the Stadium and the Club as successful as possible because it makes money for them. The big, big elephant in the room on that topic is Bayern Munichs Allianz Arena. If nothing goes totally wrong the Stadium will be payed in 2018 (planned was 2028). To have a building worth 300 million without any debts on it as a mid size company makes them a unicorn in football and an insanely healthy company. The financial firepower they will have is almost obscene. | ||
Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On November 28 2013 18:15 sharkie wrote: Worst thing was leverkusen players being arrogant before the match. I didnt know leverkusen is such a powerhouse to justify this mentality. I stopped watching after the first. Their incompetence was only matched by their insecurity. What an abysmal performance... | ||
RvB
Netherlands6216 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:24 Maenander wrote: Why is anyone surprised? That was a typical Leverkusen performance against the "big guys". Just remember the 0-7 against Barca lol. That team has a fragile spirit. English is the global language, that's the PL's biggest advantage. The Spanish, Italian and German football cultures aren't worse in any way. People tend to underestimate the power of language. Spanish is a global language as well and they're still not close to the BPL. | ||
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