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On July 20 2013 02:59 mAKiTO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 02:34 haitike wrote:On July 20 2013 02:32 Steveling wrote:
So sad for tito, feel bad about criticizing the guy now, can't be easy to manage this barcelona of all teams when you have concerns for your life.
Let's see who they'll choose now, will it be a masia product like Roura, Valverde or a foreigner? I hope not Roura xD. He was terrible the months that Tito was in New York with the treatment. I second that please NO roura, Maybe Ernesto Valdverde or I would be soo happy if Marcelo Bielsa takes the team El loco would fit us well also sounding names are AVB and Luis Enrique, some people say Heynckes but thats very improbable IMO
Would be hilarious though.
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On July 20 2013 01:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 01:24 sc4k wrote:
Aiming for a better showing in this the second attempt at a fantasy league, I can't be bothered to make my squad yet because it's all dependant on various factors.
And seriously whoever thinks Martinez is a bigger asset than Toure needs their head examined. Why doesnt Munich go for Toure then if he is so much better then Martinez? I understand you have a different opinion, but your way of ruling out all other opinions is just laughable. Also , if you had read everything you would know that we were talking about the defensive capabilities.
because Martinez is younger?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Breaking News!Barcelona have called a Press Conference for 19:30pm to Announce Tito Vilanova to step Down as Barcelona Manager over concerns of Ill HealthBarcelona have confirmed that head coach Tito Vilanova has stepped down with immediate effect to continue his battle against cancer.
The La Liga side had called an unexpected press conference on Friday as reports emerged that Vilanova, who has fought two bouts of throat cancer, had suffered a setback in his recovery.
Vilanova, who replaced Pep Guardiola at the Nou Camp last summer, had a tumour removed in late 2011, only to suffer a relapse a year later.
He underwent another operation on his parotid gland in December before beginning a course of chemotherapy and radiotherapy in New York, but will now undergo further treatment away from the spotlight.
At a brief media conference that was held with members of Barcelona's first team in attendance, president Sandro Rosell said: "The news I have is something that you never want to give.
"After evaluating Tito's routine tests, the treatment to follow will be incompatible with being the first-team coach.
"I want to ask for respect for the privacy of this process.
"We will most likely announce the name of the next FC Barcelona manager early next week."
More to follow.
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Just joined the TL fantasy football group  now if only I can keep remembering to update my team weekly >.>
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ill try and remind people on Friday, and im sure other people will talk about fantasy in this thread so if you keep coming back you shouldn't forget :D
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man fellaini has been great for everton and all. but toure is on another level.
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On July 20 2013 01:57 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 22:34 sc4k wrote:On July 19 2013 21:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
baines would only cause problems for the other 2 young LBs. fellaini i feel is a last resort if we really cant land anyone. and we recently just got zaha back whos quite young, januzaj seems to have been promoted from reserves too, so i dont think we need any more young signings. What a bizarre set of opinions (imo). Firstly, the first thing you should want is for the new manager to bring in previous personnel who he KNOWS are of top quality. This often yields great results. Secondly, Fellaini is the exact sort of player Man U have been missing for a long time now. Thirdly, what the hell has happened to peoples' memories? Did you guys not see Fellaini's performance and goalscoring record in the PL in the last two seasons? The guy has been playing insanely good, far better than Dembele who has been lauded as a top quality player and a great signing. He is a goalscoring CDM with range. Basically Viera with a fro. Disciplinary record schmisciplinary record...he's better than Suarez!! In terms of Zaha, who cares about Zaha, he won't get more than a handful of games in man U he should be loaned out to Fulham or Southampton or something. Fellaini isn't a young signing and obviously Baines isn't. He's an experienced player who would teach the younger players an INCREDIBLE work ethic. He's one of the best and hardest workers in English football and if it weren't for the fact that arguably the best LB in the world is playing for England already, he would be a certified starter for the national team come rain or shine. Fellaini is not the exact sort of player we need at all. He's got issues on field which doesn't fit with the utd ethos, and not as skilled as rooney, keano or cantona to make up for it before you cite them. What we need is someone who dictates the play and holds the ball very well. Fellaini is good in defence, when we have a good defence already, and scores good highlight goals, but we already have a very good striking force, we don't need a goalscorer from midfield. He such an "english" type of midfielder, strong, scores, unintelligent(in a play sense), looks for the holywood pass instead of the smart one. What we need is a thiago, intesta, xavi, ces, someone who passes very well, doesn't loose the ball, holds the ball up well, can take on their man (except xavi lol), plays intelligently, has vision. I don't know much about the German midfield attributes so im sorry if i didnt mention them. He is overrated because he scores a lot of good goals for a midfield player, which lies the problem. Theres no doubt he'd be brilliant in certain world class teams, team where players can pick up the slack, dictate the play for him, and keep possession and make the smart passes he cant, so that he can be an goal threat that the other team has to worry about. But thats not what utd need, we need a scholes. Scholes couldn't tackle, felliani can well, but he could dictate the game like a god. The only thing in common is that they score a lot of goals for a midfielder, but he's never going to be scholes' replacement.
Fellaini is a similar player to Roy Keane, and has just as much skill as him, he fits perfectly with Man United. You act as if Man U are famous for not having players with attitude. Fellaini is a swashbuckling out and out midfielder who can go forwards and backwards, which is exactly what Man U needs. I just hope that the people making the personnel choices are of the same opinion as you because Man U with Fellaini would be frightening.
You have probably only see a few games with Fellaini if you just brand him as a player who goes for hollywood passes. He plays a very adaptable game, which is why Moyes comfortably played him as a striker, a defensive midfielder and a commanding central player. And I believe you should get away with needing to replace a type of player for a type of player - a sensible manager takes what is available and works with it, rather than sitting around waiting for the second coming of a previously successful player.
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On July 20 2013 01:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 01:24 sc4k wrote:
Aiming for a better showing in this the second attempt at a fantasy league, I can't be bothered to make my squad yet because it's all dependant on various factors.
And seriously whoever thinks Martinez is a bigger asset than Toure needs their head examined. Why doesnt Munich go for Toure then if he is so much better then Martinez? I understand you have a different opinion, but your way of ruling out all other opinions is just laughable. Also , if you had read everything you would know that we were talking about the defensive capabilities.
How would Munich get Toure from Man City??? Of course they would get Toure if they could, Toure is far more big time and just generally more of an asset. Martinez is a quality player but Toure is a total beast.
On July 20 2013 02:17 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 22:59 sc4k wrote:On July 19 2013 22:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:On July 19 2013 22:34 sc4k wrote:On July 19 2013 21:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
baines would only cause problems for the other 2 young LBs. fellaini i feel is a last resort if we really cant land anyone. and we recently just got zaha back whos quite young, januzaj seems to have been promoted from reserves too, so i dont think we need any more young signings. What a bizarre set of opinions (imo). Firstly, the first thing you should want is for the new manager to bring in previous personnel who he KNOWS are of top quality. This often yields great results. Secondly, Fellaini is the exact sort of player Man U have been missing for a long time now. Thirdly, what the hell has happened to peoples' memories? Did you guys not see Fellaini's performance and goalscoring record in the PL in the last two seasons? The guy has been playing insanely good, far better than Dembele who has been lauded as a top quality player and a great signing. He is a goalscoring CDM with range. Basically Viera with a fro. Disciplinary record schmisciplinary record...he's better than Suarez!! In terms of Zaha, who cares about Zaha, he won't get more than a handful of games in man U he should be loaned out to Fulham or Southampton or something. Fellaini isn't a young signing and obviously Baines isn't. He's an experienced player who would teach the younger players an INCREDIBLE work ethic. He's one of the best and hardest workers in English football and if it weren't for the fact that arguably the best LB in the world is playing for England already, he would be a certified starter for the national team come rain or shine. i never said fellaini was bad. i said hes a last resort. strootman would have been a good choice, thiago too, but we missed our chance. and id be willing to bet that most other man utd fans would probably take fabregas over fellaini if we could too. and who cares about zaha? how about the guys who bought him. why wouldnt he get more than a handful of games? if our current wingers dont pick up their form this season either, it could easily be a chance for zaha to earn himself a regular spot in the starting 11. baines is good too, but we already have 3 other LBs. evra is still useful and fabio and buttner are young. no space for baines unless we sell evra now or plan on selling on of the younger players later. Okay I don't know why Fellaini would be a last resort. His position is the ONLY ONE you don't have quality in!!!!! And he's cheap as chips AND the manager knows him and can get the best out of him AND he wants to move there. Why just some random player like strootman when you could get a proven thoroughbred for bargain basement price?! He's as valuable as Toure but cheaper and younger. Cesc and Thiago are far less needed than Fellaini. Kagawa, Nani, Young, Zaha (edit: okay maybe not zaha on this list owing to my later comments ), Valencia all quality attacking players, you need some better defensive midfielders other than carrick anderson and Cleverly (actually where the hell does he play he seems kinda lame, like a poor man's Wilshere). Zaha just isn't good enough to take a place off Valencia or Nani, or Young. He's slower with less team sense and way too little experience. Regarding LB - play fabio RB, ship evra to PSG for a tasty fee, and use buttner as understudy to Baines, who will get the entire defensive line focused and be a good role model for Jones. zaha isnt any ronaldo in terms of speed, but at least he has shown that he has the skills to beat his man. if youve watched valencia and nani in the past seasons, you would know that theyve put on too much weight to just outrun their opponent anymore. valencia hardly gets past anyone now, and nani still has consistency problems to make him a regular. cesc and thiago arent in the same group as these guys anyway, we want them so they can hold the ball for us. this is also the reason why fellaini isnt the best option, he doesnt play like a spaniard. cant make passes/hold possession. he might do what park used to do so well, win balls off players in the midfield, but other than that he doesnt really add much to the team as we are already strong in other departments.
Fellaini doesn't need to play in a spanish tiki taka style, he's an awesome player and can make a huge impact, you don't just have to play Spanish to win. If you haven't been paying attention to how Toure has been dominating with his rangey, physically aggressive, languid swashbuckling (as did Viera back a few years ago) then you need to check some tape and realise that Fellaini is in the exact same mould as these grand players.
Zaha looked great at the start of the season last year but started to look pretty lame in the second half and really just started to look like a normal player. He was banging in goals but then again so was Glen Murray and is Murray really the sort of person who should be played for Man U?
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On July 20 2013 01:31 mAKiTO wrote:
I think martinez needs to show a lil more, How was his 1st season at Bayern? To be honest I only watched the champions league games nothing else.
Toure was a key piece at barcelona, until bossquest got promoted, and he is key piece at man city as well. proven in both leagues
Toure didnt leave Barca because of Busquets, he left coz he didnt want to play so far back like he was there, wanted to have a more attacking role. Also, its ur opinion but they arent even close on skill, comparing Busquets to Toure is heresy imo
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On July 20 2013 07:49 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 01:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 20 2013 01:24 sc4k wrote:
Aiming for a better showing in this the second attempt at a fantasy league, I can't be bothered to make my squad yet because it's all dependant on various factors.
And seriously whoever thinks Martinez is a bigger asset than Toure needs their head examined. Why doesnt Munich go for Toure then if he is so much better then Martinez? I understand you have a different opinion, but your way of ruling out all other opinions is just laughable. Also , if you had read everything you would know that we were talking about the defensive capabilities. How would Munich get Toure from Man City??? Of course they would get Toure if they could, Toure is far more big time and just generally more of an asset. Martinez is a quality player but Toure is a total beast.
You really think Bayern Munich, the winner of the tripple and financially best looking club in Europe couldnt get Toure if they wanted to? I know you guys all think PL >>>>>>> else and it really really gets on my nerves.
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Fuck that Tito news 
Despite not liking the Neymar transfer, I was very optimistic for the season to come, as I believe Tito was the man we needed...
Fuck cancer, hope he beats it. From what I read it's because he found a good treatment, not because it was getting worse.
Now who's gonna be Barca's coach??? No clue Luis Enrique just signed with Vigo. He got a ~5M€ but I don't see him leave, and that would be hilarious if he did and that the youngsters from Barça that went and signed there found themselves without him :D
I like Bielsa but I don't think he would work for long, this team would probably not react well to a very strong personality on the bench. Or maybe it's exactly what they need to get their shit together :D
The rest of the candidates would be the ex-Barca like Laudrup and Koeman or an internal solutions with Rubi the ex-new Tito's assistant.
The issue is it's too late to get a 'fresh' coach, because the team project is still the same and we don't need any revolution (on the coaching point of view), that's why I think Luis Enrique and Rubi are the best ones for this job. Bielsa comes 3rd, but only on a short-term contract, as he's really good at tiring spirits
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On July 20 2013 10:05 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 07:49 sc4k wrote:On July 20 2013 01:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 20 2013 01:24 sc4k wrote:
Aiming for a better showing in this the second attempt at a fantasy league, I can't be bothered to make my squad yet because it's all dependant on various factors.
And seriously whoever thinks Martinez is a bigger asset than Toure needs their head examined. Why doesnt Munich go for Toure then if he is so much better then Martinez? I understand you have a different opinion, but your way of ruling out all other opinions is just laughable. Also , if you had read everything you would know that we were talking about the defensive capabilities. How would Munich get Toure from Man City??? Of course they would get Toure if they could, Toure is far more big time and just generally more of an asset. Martinez is a quality player but Toure is a total beast. You really think Bayern Munich, the winner of the tripple and financially best looking club in Europe couldnt get Toure if they wanted to? I know you guys all think PL >>>>>>> else and it really really gets on my nerves.
Yes, I think that and know that because it's true. Munich couldn't just take Man City's best player. PL does >>>>> everything else but that's beside the point.
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Oh man, feel so bad for Villanova... I was a bit disappointed when they appointed him manager last year because I felt that they could have gotten a bigger name, but he did everything right to make me eat my words. Now, I hope they choose someone inside the camp, but not roura.
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Poor Roura, so much hate I think with Tito in Barcelona at that period, the team wouldn't have performed a lot better than what they have anyway... Roura is good but he cannot be Barcelona's coach because he's too close with the players, he would end up being their puppet (I guess that's what happened last year). It's the problem when you decide to appoint an assistant to the manager position, they are 'friends' with the players and one day they become their boss...
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yaya toure is the best DM in England, and I'm and Man Utd fan.
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Surely Toure is a box-to-box Midfielder and not a DM....
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definitely box-to-box but even if you plop him on the pitch as a pure holding/defensive midfielder he's still probably the best in the english game at the moment.
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On July 20 2013 10:05 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 07:49 sc4k wrote:On July 20 2013 01:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 20 2013 01:24 sc4k wrote:
Aiming for a better showing in this the second attempt at a fantasy league, I can't be bothered to make my squad yet because it's all dependant on various factors.
And seriously whoever thinks Martinez is a bigger asset than Toure needs their head examined. Why doesnt Munich go for Toure then if he is so much better then Martinez? I understand you have a different opinion, but your way of ruling out all other opinions is just laughable. Also , if you had read everything you would know that we were talking about the defensive capabilities. How would Munich get Toure from Man City??? Of course they would get Toure if they could, Toure is far more big time and just generally more of an asset. Martinez is a quality player but Toure is a total beast. You really think Bayern Munich, the winner of the tripple and financially best looking club in Europe couldnt get Toure if they wanted to? I know you guys all think PL >>>>>>> else and it really really gets on my nerves.
sc4k certainly has his PL goggles on from post to post, but still you are wrong here.
Barcelona can't get Thiago Silva from PSG, despite all their success in the last decade and their huge standing in the football world. It would be the same for Toure, Bayern and ManCity.
On the other hand I agree with you, Martinez might have just one CL season under his belt, but what a season it was! He came to Munich and improved a midfield that already outplayed Real Madrid in the previous season. He is also much younger than Toure and I see no reason why Bayern would replace him with Toure even if they could.
It's funny that Guardiola probably does not want any one of those two in midfield, he sees them more as defenders ^^
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On July 20 2013 10:05 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 07:49 sc4k wrote:On July 20 2013 01:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 20 2013 01:24 sc4k wrote:
Aiming for a better showing in this the second attempt at a fantasy league, I can't be bothered to make my squad yet because it's all dependant on various factors.
And seriously whoever thinks Martinez is a bigger asset than Toure needs their head examined. Why doesnt Munich go for Toure then if he is so much better then Martinez? I understand you have a different opinion, but your way of ruling out all other opinions is just laughable. Also , if you had read everything you would know that we were talking about the defensive capabilities. How would Munich get Toure from Man City??? Of course they would get Toure if they could, Toure is far more big time and just generally more of an asset. Martinez is a quality player but Toure is a total beast. You really think Bayern Munich, the winner of the tripple and financially best looking club in Europe couldnt get Toure if they wanted to? I know you guys all think PL >>>>>>> else and it really really gets on my nerves.
Let them think what they want, reading them is quite funny 
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