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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On August 08 2013 08:18 Scarecrow wrote: If everyone`s equal physically then Nate is the most skilled. Such a dumb, arbitrary way of trying to make kobe out as #1 in anything except attempts in the clutch and marketability Are you kidding me? Nate is fucking jacked and athletic as hell. He just happens to be short. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
Minnesota Timberwolves rookie guard Shabazz Muhammad was sent home from the NBA's Rookie Transition Program for violating of a rule and bringing a female guest into his hotel room Tuesday evening, a person familiar with situation told USA TODAY Sports. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On August 08 2013 08:42 Daozzt wrote: Are you kidding me? Nate is fucking jacked and athletic as hell. He just happens to be short. Dystopia's Miller is a better choice, but being short is a massive deal. The most skilled by the same body definition is almost certainly someone who holds their own in the NBA whilst being under or around 6 ft. Though to be fair the big men might have more 'skill' if they weren't so big. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 08 2013 08:54 Scarecrow wrote: Dystopia's Miller is a better choice, but being short is a massive deal. The most skilled by the same body definition is almost certainly someone who holds their own in the NBA whilst being under or around 6 ft. Though to be fair the big men might have more 'skill' if they weren't so big. Dude's got hops though. Isiah Thomas (king's one, idk how he spells his first name) and John Lucas III are pretty short too. On August 08 2013 08:51 RowdierBob wrote: Lol: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/twolves/2013/08/07/shabazz-muhammad-sent-home-from-nba-rookie-transition-program/2627919/ Man is this an NBA program or a middle school overnight camp | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On August 08 2013 07:55 RowdierBob wrote: I've said I think it's fairly well impossible to gauge who is the most skilled player because it's far too complex to ever measure. Kobe's one of the NBA's most skilled guys. Chandler Parsons is somewhere in the middle. But if you'd ask me to tell you who is more skilled between say Kobe and Lebron--I have no reasonable method of answering that question. I just don't think it's possible to answer. Of course there is no exact correct answer. This isn't science. I didn't run my stuff through algorithms and formulas to figure out what I am saying. But you can give an answer if you really wanted to. We just chatting sports here. And Portland with the most underrated offseason so far tops it off with Mo Williaims. Nice move imo. http://nba.si.com/2013/08/07/mo-williams-signs-agreement-portland-trail-blazers-utah-jazz/?sct=nba_t2_a3 And the NBA schedule is just released, and the conspiracy theories already begin about the NBA setting up the Lakers to tank it good this season. Funny. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
Or Monta. Because he brings the $wag. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
But they are a much improved team from last year. Will def be in the Playoff hunt. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 08 2013 10:29 DystopiaX wrote: Dude's got hops though. Isiah Thomas (king's one, idk how he spells his first name) and John Lucas III are pretty short too. Man is this an NBA program or a middle school overnight camp i believe one of the sessions is to teach them how to avoid people out for their money ie golddigging women, lmao | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On August 08 2013 05:46 Ace wrote: I can not wait for the day the piece of shit NCAA is destroyed. Corrupt as fuck. http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2013/08/07/2425531/ncaa-removes-search-function-after-espns-jay-bilas-exposes-amateurism-myth/ Yes, but Jay Bilas wants to pay the athletes whereas I want them off my fucking campus. Thanks for the money though. http://www.utexas.edu/news/2012/09/12/longhorn-network-earnings-draw-top-scholars-philosophy-math-engineering/ | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
2. My attempt to define "skill" in this context would be something like learned abilities that allow a player to be the best player on the floor. The learned ability part serves to differentiate skill from things like size, speed, strength, athleticism, etc., which I think we can agree some people just have different capacities for due to genetics. The potential hangup is the best player on the floor part, which can be defined differently by different people. As a result, this is the part where the measure becomes more subjective and open to debate. I would argue that best player analysis would include all parts of the game, i.e. shooting, dribbling, footwork, understanding of schemes, court vision, etc. To some extent, I think it'd even be fair to define skill as a measure of how well a player maximizes their physical capabilities. Making the most with what you have if you will. 3. Kobe is my choice as the most skilled because he seems to have the most well-rounded skill set in the NBA. He seems to "know every trick in the book". Whether it's ball handling, shot creation, post offense, footwork, understanding and reading offensive and defensive schemes, rebounding, etc., Kobe seems to have done more than any currently active player to learn everything he can to gain every possible advantage against his opponents. It also seems like there isn't a situation in the game that Kobe doesn't understand or can't handle. Need to win a jump ball? Kobe seems to find ways to do it even against bigger, more athletic players. Stealing rebounds off of missed FTs? I've seen him sneak around much bigger players and steal rebounds consistently. Lock down a perimeter player for one possession? I think we've all seen examples of that. Score in the paint against multiple, larger defenders? Hook shot with either hand? Floaters? Scoop shot? I have no proof of it, but over the years I've gotten the sense that there's nothing in basketball that you could ask Kobe about that he wouldn't already be well-versed in. 4. With that said, Kobe is certainly and indisputably guilty all the time of not making the best use of those skills in games. His personality and decision-making gets in the way, and there's certainly room to argue that the latter should be considered a skill. However, I think that Kobe can basically do anything on the basketball court that he chooses to, and I can't think of many players who you can say that about. His tendency to take over possessions and take bad shots is well known and detrimental to his teams, and it certainly hurts in best player discussions. But I don't think you can really consider that to be an indictment of his skills, so much as his usage of his skills. 5. The fact that Kobe is one of the most experienced players in the league certainly helps him in this regard. Like others have said, it's not fair to expect someone like Rose to be able to compete with Kobe in just the level and extent of skills. However, that doesn't change the fact that Kobe's experience may indeed make him the most skilled player in the league. There's nothing wrong with saying Kobe is more skilled than Rose is even with the experience disparity, so long as you're not using trying to assert that the playing field is even. Rose may very well become as skilled or more skilled than Kobe in the future, but that doesn't change the fact that Kobe is the most skilled player right now. 6. Despite all of this, I still don't expect to really convince anyone of my opinion that Kobe is the most skilled player in the league. There's simply no way to measure NBA skills as a whole, and no way to measure just how much better one player is than every other in the league. As with all of these types of arguments, it's important that everyone understand and accept the limitations of their own opinion and not seek to make it more than it is (i.e. a universal truth that everyone else must accept, or otherwise be doomed to be completely wrong). | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 10 2013 10:07 XaI)CyRiC wrote: There's simply no way to measure NBA skills as a whole, and no way to measure just how much better one player is than every other in the league. Taco Bell Skills Competition, duh! | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Now that everyone is more educated, look at what I wrote in my original post and what I was responding to: On August 07 2013 02:05 MassHysteria wrote: I mean a grenade yes because the statement in itself is objectively wrong. But Kobe is ( or was until this injury) still the most skilled player on the planet. And if we get into guards, what makes him so so special is that he has been able to maintain his greatness consistently this late into his career. In basketball, where it is all about the 'mileage' and how many minutes played, Kobe has surpassed expectations already. And even more special is that he is/was a guard doing it. Haha, I did mean defence, m'bad ;O Everything we have discussed in the last few pages was already thought of. They are just advanced thoughts that I didn't realize I would have to go all the way back to step 1 with others. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On August 10 2013 23:55 MassHysteria wrote: Nice to see Olbermann back on ESPN. The man is the originator of the style of much of what we see now on ESPN. I remember watching him as a kid. ESPN is doing a valuable public service by removing all the annoying people from political coverage. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On August 11 2013 00:57 Jerubaal wrote: ESPN is doing a valuable public service by removing all the annoying people from political coverage. He can supposedly do political stuff on his new show on ESPN2 (or at least allowed to by contract). He says he doesn't plan to though. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On August 11 2013 00:57 Jerubaal wrote: ESPN is doing a valuable public service by removing all the annoying people from political coverage. I'm not really looking forward to having him back on ESPN to be honest. Just isn't the same without DP. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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