On February 04 2013 15:59 Jibba wrote: I agree about football, especially since there's often so many people involved and it can get messy, but fights in hockey are amazing and they serve a different purpose. Fighting in football/basketball is just hotheaded people who can't control themselves. Fighting in hockey is a mini-game that's meant to impact how other players are treated.
The problem isn't the fighting, but what leads to it. These players are emotional and nervous, as someone said, amped up on all the hype and whatever else we may or may not know about, playing in the biggest game of their careers. If someone makes a cheap shot or says something about somebody's mama, I can't really blame them for losing their cool.
I think we have to accept that players are going to act like scumbags, and that we can all agree that Cary Williams deserved an ejection for shoving an official like that. Justice will be served however, and knowing Roger Goodell, I'm sure he'll get fined $500,000 or something ridiculous like that.
And about the bitching about the Niners last play, you can't call that holding or PI or whatever and ignore that Crabtree was making a lot of contact as well. I can't find a video or gif so I'm going off my memory here, but I'm pretty sure he was pushing off and/or had his hand on the CB's helmet. Better to not call it and not be "that ref who ruined the Super Bowl."
On February 04 2013 16:32 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On February 04 2013 16:15 Signus wrote:
On February 04 2013 15:59 semantics wrote:
On February 04 2013 15:00 Adreme wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:56 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:38 Adreme wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:30 Jaaaaasper wrote: Did you guys see that raven shove a ref and not get called at all?
Like I said they really werent calling anything on either team that wasnt a completely blatent penalty.
Pretty sure shoving the ref qualified as blatant lol
Thats not the kind of blatent I meant because the refs in NFL are really really lenient when it comes to what they will take. They typically wont take physical contact but again the refs seemed to really not want to be a factor in this football game so they only called really the basic stuff (offsides, illeagal formation) and personal fouls.
I'd say it's odd that someone actually pushes a ref, a real push and not get ejected esp after a big fight when they want to establish the law of the land. Refs weren't screwing anyone except screwing everyone by not controlling the game.
The Super Bowl is different than any other game, because everyone can't just move onto next week like nothing big happened. No Ref wants to be the cause of ire for the entire offseason if they make a call that hurts the losing team. This is why that guy didn't get ejected and why there wasn't a flag thrown on the Fourth Down play at the end of the game. They don't want to be the center of attention, so they won't go out of their way to enforce the rules unless they it's an absolute given. That's why the game got out of control at times as well, no one is going to get a personal foul for a little roughhousing in the Super Bowl, so things escalate pretty fast.
Isnt instant replay an option for a reason? Or are you saying that making a negative call even if it is the right call is a bad thing?
You can't challenge penalties.
It covers some penalties... number of players on field and forward passes for example, right?
The NFL replay system currently only covers the following situations:
Scoring plays Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted Runner/receiver out of bounds Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds Touching of a forward pass, either by an ineligible receiver or a defensive player Quarterback pass or fumble Illegal forward pass Forward or backward pass Runner ruled not down by contact Forward progress in regard to a first down Touching of a kick Other plays involving placement of the football Whether a legal number of players is on the field at the time of the snap
On February 04 2013 15:59 Jibba wrote: I agree about football, especially since there's often so many people involved and it can get messy, but fights in hockey are amazing and they serve a different purpose. Fighting in football/basketball is just hotheaded people who can't control themselves. Fighting in hockey is a mini-game that's meant to impact how other players are treated.
The problem isn't the fighting, but what leads to it. These players are emotional and nervous, as someone said, amped up on all the hype and whatever else we may or may not know about, playing in the biggest game of their careers. If someone makes a cheap shot or says something about somebody's mama, I can't really blame them for losing their cool.
I think we have to accept that players are going to act like scumbags, and that we can all agree that Cary Williams deserved an ejection for shoving an official like that. Justice will be served however, and knowing Roger Goodell, I'm sure he'll get fined $500,000 or something ridiculous like that.
And about the bitching about the Niners last play, you can't call that holding or PI or whatever and ignore that Crabtree was making a lot of contact as well. I can't find a video or gif so I'm going off my memory here, but I'm pretty sure he was pushing off and/or had his hand on the CB's helmet. Better to not call it and not be "that ref who ruined the Super Bowl."
On February 04 2013 16:32 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On February 04 2013 16:15 Signus wrote:
On February 04 2013 15:59 semantics wrote:
On February 04 2013 15:00 Adreme wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:56 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:38 Adreme wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:30 Jaaaaasper wrote: Did you guys see that raven shove a ref and not get called at all?
Like I said they really werent calling anything on either team that wasnt a completely blatent penalty.
Pretty sure shoving the ref qualified as blatant lol
Thats not the kind of blatent I meant because the refs in NFL are really really lenient when it comes to what they will take. They typically wont take physical contact but again the refs seemed to really not want to be a factor in this football game so they only called really the basic stuff (offsides, illeagal formation) and personal fouls.
I'd say it's odd that someone actually pushes a ref, a real push and not get ejected esp after a big fight when they want to establish the law of the land. Refs weren't screwing anyone except screwing everyone by not controlling the game.
The Super Bowl is different than any other game, because everyone can't just move onto next week like nothing big happened. No Ref wants to be the cause of ire for the entire offseason if they make a call that hurts the losing team. This is why that guy didn't get ejected and why there wasn't a flag thrown on the Fourth Down play at the end of the game. They don't want to be the center of attention, so they won't go out of their way to enforce the rules unless they it's an absolute given. That's why the game got out of control at times as well, no one is going to get a personal foul for a little roughhousing in the Super Bowl, so things escalate pretty fast.
Isnt instant replay an option for a reason? Or are you saying that making a negative call even if it is the right call is a bad thing?
You can't challenge penalties.
It covers some penalties... number of players on field and forward passes for example, right?
The NFL replay system currently only covers the following situations:
Scoring plays Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted Runner/receiver out of bounds Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds Touching of a forward pass, either by an ineligible receiver or a defensive player Quarterback pass or fumble Illegal forward pass Forward or backward pass Runner ruled not down by contact Forward progress in regard to a first down Touching of a kick Other plays involving placement of the football Whether a legal number of players is on the field at the time of the snap
On February 04 2013 17:06 Brett wrote: 49ers fans should be thankful they were even in the game instead of bitching about certain calls and how they should have 'won' it.
If the Ravens had lost following that power outage, it would have been an absolute travesty. They deserved it.
Why? And why "won" in quotes? 9ers turned it on and Ravens couldn't do anything about it. That's all there is to it.
I agree that bitching about calls is kind of pointless (especially when we had 3 other chances to run it in from 5 freaking yards) but how did the Ravens "deserve" it more then the 9ers? Because they played a better first half? Last I heard it's what happens in the end that matters. And if anyone truly "deserved" it it would have been the 9ers for almost coming back from a 20 point deficit and not the Ravens for almost blowing it.
Because, let's face it, the only reason the 49ers got in the game was a freakish blackout.
I'll play your useless speculation game: if it didn't happen 9ers probably lose by 30.
But you're right, it's what happens in the end that matters and unfortunately for you, you lost by 3 points.
Edit: Won was in quotation marks because even if some of those calls go your way, it doesn't guarantee you win. You might have coughed the ball up on the next play.
I don't support either team, but there are way too many whinging 9ers fans in here. Suck it up. You don't lose a game on one play: You had the rest of the match to outplay your opponent and didn't. If the Ravens lost and were whining about the blackout costing them the superbowl and ignoring the fact that their team got heavily outplayed on resumption of the game, I'd be calling them out too.
On February 04 2013 15:59 Jibba wrote: I agree about football, especially since there's often so many people involved and it can get messy, but fights in hockey are amazing and they serve a different purpose. Fighting in football/basketball is just hotheaded people who can't control themselves. Fighting in hockey is a mini-game that's meant to impact how other players are treated.
The problem isn't the fighting, but what leads to it. These players are emotional and nervous, as someone said, amped up on all the hype and whatever else we may or may not know about, playing in the biggest game of their careers. If someone makes a cheap shot or says something about somebody's mama, I can't really blame them for losing their cool.
I think we have to accept that players are going to act like scumbags, and that we can all agree that Cary Williams deserved an ejection for shoving an official like that. Justice will be served however, and knowing Roger Goodell, I'm sure he'll get fined $500,000 or something ridiculous like that.
And about the bitching about the Niners last play, you can't call that holding or PI or whatever and ignore that Crabtree was making a lot of contact as well. I can't find a video or gif so I'm going off my memory here, but I'm pretty sure he was pushing off and/or had his hand on the CB's helmet. Better to not call it and not be "that ref who ruined the Super Bowl."
On February 04 2013 16:32 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On February 04 2013 16:15 Signus wrote:
On February 04 2013 15:59 semantics wrote:
On February 04 2013 15:00 Adreme wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:56 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:38 Adreme wrote:
On February 04 2013 14:30 Jaaaaasper wrote: Did you guys see that raven shove a ref and not get called at all?
Like I said they really werent calling anything on either team that wasnt a completely blatent penalty.
Pretty sure shoving the ref qualified as blatant lol
Thats not the kind of blatent I meant because the refs in NFL are really really lenient when it comes to what they will take. They typically wont take physical contact but again the refs seemed to really not want to be a factor in this football game so they only called really the basic stuff (offsides, illeagal formation) and personal fouls.
I'd say it's odd that someone actually pushes a ref, a real push and not get ejected esp after a big fight when they want to establish the law of the land. Refs weren't screwing anyone except screwing everyone by not controlling the game.
The Super Bowl is different than any other game, because everyone can't just move onto next week like nothing big happened. No Ref wants to be the cause of ire for the entire offseason if they make a call that hurts the losing team. This is why that guy didn't get ejected and why there wasn't a flag thrown on the Fourth Down play at the end of the game. They don't want to be the center of attention, so they won't go out of their way to enforce the rules unless they it's an absolute given. That's why the game got out of control at times as well, no one is going to get a personal foul for a little roughhousing in the Super Bowl, so things escalate pretty fast.
Isnt instant replay an option for a reason? Or are you saying that making a negative call even if it is the right call is a bad thing?
You can't challenge penalties.
It covers some penalties... number of players on field and forward passes for example, right?
The NFL replay system currently only covers the following situations:
Scoring plays Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted Runner/receiver out of bounds Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds Touching of a forward pass, either by an ineligible receiver or a defensive player Quarterback pass or fumble Illegal forward pass Forward or backward pass Runner ruled not down by contact Forward progress in regard to a first down Touching of a kick Other plays involving placement of the football Whether a legal number of players is on the field at the time of the snap
To simplify what you are saying, in the NFL you cant challenge a "judgement call". Ill use holding as an example. What is holding to one person might not be a flag from another so its not a call that can be challenged. The same thing with PI. The only things that can be challenged are things that are definitive such as did the ball come out before his knee hit the ground or were both feet inbounds on a catch.
On February 04 2013 17:50 Brett wrote: Because, let's face it, the only reason the 49ers got in the game was a freakish blackout.
I'll play your useless speculation game: if it didn't happen 9ers probably lose by 30.
But you're right, it's what happens in the end that matters and unfortunately for you, you lost by 3 points.
Edit: Won was in quotation marks because even if some of those calls go your way, it doesn't guarantee you win. You might have coughed the ball up on the next play.
I don't support either team, but there are way too many whinging 9ers fans in here. Suck it up. You don't lose a game on one play: You had the rest of the match to outplay your opponent and didn't. If the Ravens lost and were whining about the blackout costing them the superbowl and ignoring the fact that their team got heavily outplayed on resumption of the game, I'd be calling them out too.
don't forget the akers flop, he was practically on the ground before he was touched
edit: the fake fg was bad 4&9 or 32 yards fg with a hot kicker
I watched the game on ESPN America which only had repetitive ESPN related commercials on it. After seeing that Go Daddy commercial... they actually aired that? I can't put into words how uneasy I felt watching that, I have no reactions to gore threads on 4chan but that... Anyway watched the game till the end of the 3rd quarter, could not be bothered watching anymore (and it was 4am). Felt absolutely no hype before the game so I came out of the game with a feeling of 'meh'... For me the power outage was a highlight.
On February 04 2013 17:50 Brett wrote: Because, let's face it, the only reason the 49ers got in the game was a freakish blackout.
I'll play your useless speculation game: if it didn't happen 9ers probably lose by 30.
But you're right, it's what happens in the end that matters and unfortunately for you, you lost by 3 points.
Edit: Won was in quotation marks because even if some of those calls go your way, it doesn't guarantee you win. You might have coughed the ball up on the next play.
I don't support either team, but there are way too many whinging 9ers fans in here. Suck it up. You don't lose a game on one play: You had the rest of the match to outplay your opponent and didn't. If the Ravens lost and were whining about the blackout costing them the superbowl and ignoring the fact that their team got heavily outplayed on resumption of the game, I'd be calling them out too.
Not sure if you realize the contradiction in saying the only reason the 49ers got back in the game was the blackout but you would call out a Ravens fan for blaming things on the blackout rather than the "fact" that they got "heavily outplayed".
Still can't get over Jacoby Jones. Are you kidding me??? SB 109 yard (now 108 wtf) TD run AND THAT PLAY. Wrongfooted two defenders from a standstill like a pro. I could watch that movement again and again, his hands flail around like in this vid
On February 04 2013 17:50 Brett wrote: Because, let's face it, the only reason the 49ers got in the game was a freakish blackout.
I'll play your useless speculation game: if it didn't happen 9ers probably lose by 30.
But you're right, it's what happens in the end that matters and unfortunately for you, you lost by 3 points.
Edit: Won was in quotation marks because even if some of those calls go your way, it doesn't guarantee you win. You might have coughed the ball up on the next play.
I don't support either team, but there are way too many whinging 9ers fans in here. Suck it up. You don't lose a game on one play: You had the rest of the match to outplay your opponent and didn't. If the Ravens lost and were whining about the blackout costing them the superbowl and ignoring the fact that their team got heavily outplayed on resumption of the game, I'd be calling them out too.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. 9ers are comeback specialists. And it's not like you even need to go that far back to see what I'm talking about. We were down 17-0 in the first quuarter and outscored 24-7 in the first half just two weeks ago and we all know how that turned out. And there were no blackouts to somehow "help" us then and Atlanta offense was way better then the Ravens. The 9ers defense is great at second half-adjustments. And Kaepernick's rocket for an arm can make things happen at any point of the game so it's dumb to say oh the blackout helped the 9ers. And it's not even like the 9ers marched the ball down the field as soon as the balckout was over. After the blackout the 9ers very promptly punted the ball away two plays later so oops there goes that theory. Ravens then go 3-n-out because of the 9ers defense and we get the ball back. I can pretty much guarantee you: no blackout, same game.
If we do get the holding call then we're on the 2 yard line with 4 fresh downs and 1:45 left to play (and we have one more time out) if we don't score after that then the 9ers shouldn't even play in the NFL next year. So you can take the quotation marks out.
And as I said before I completely agree with you on the pointlessness of whining about one play that didn't go our way. The holding call was painful but the 3 calls before that (how the hell do you call 3 passing plays from the 5 yard line with over 2 minutes left when you actually want to take time off the clock and you have a running back like Gore and a running quarterback like Kaep) were horrible and that's what lost us the game.
On February 04 2013 17:50 Brett wrote: Because, let's face it, the only reason the 49ers got in the game was a freakish blackout.
I'll play your useless speculation game: if it didn't happen 9ers probably lose by 30.
But you're right, it's what happens in the end that matters and unfortunately for you, you lost by 3 points.
Edit: Won was in quotation marks because even if some of those calls go your way, it doesn't guarantee you win. You might have coughed the ball up on the next play.
I don't support either team, but there are way too many whinging 9ers fans in here. Suck it up. You don't lose a game on one play: You had the rest of the match to outplay your opponent and didn't. If the Ravens lost and were whining about the blackout costing them the superbowl and ignoring the fact that their team got heavily outplayed on resumption of the game, I'd be calling them out too.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. 9ers are comeback specialists. And it's not like you even need to go that far back to see what I'm talking about. We were down 17-0 in the first quuarter and outscored 24-7 in the first half just two weeks ago and we all know how that turned out. And there were no blackouts to somehow "help" us then and Atlanta offense was way better then the Ravens. The 9ers defense is great at second half-adjustments. And Kaepernick's rocket for an arm can make things happen at any point of the game so it's dumb to say oh the blackout helped the 9ers. And it's not even like the 9ers marched the ball down the field as soon as the balckout was over. After the blackout the 9ers very promptly punted the ball away two plays later so oops there goes that theory. Ravens then go 3-n-out because of the 9ers defense and we get the ball back. I can pretty much guarantee you: no blackout, same game.
If we do get the holding call then we're on the 2 yard line with 4 fresh downs and 1:45 left to play (and we have one more time out) if we don't score after that then the 9ers shouldn't even play in the NFL next year. So you can take the quotation marks out.
And as I said before I completely agree with you on the pointlessness of whining about one play that didn't go our way. The holding call was painful but the 3 calls before that (how the hell do you call 3 passing plays from the 5 yard line with over 2 minutes left when you actually want to take time off the clock and you have a running back like Gore and a running quarterback like Kaep) were horrible and that's what lost us the game.
I think it was smart not to run against the Ravens when they expect it :p. They put faith in Kaep's arm and it almost paid off, although that last throw was pretty horrendous.
After looking at the frame by frame it was a good no call, or if it was called should've been penalties on both (but it's better to let them play it out since the throw was so high)
Because, let's face it, the only reason the 49ers got in the game was a freakish blackout.
Lol this some kind of vodoo-doll superstitious thinking. These guys are trained pros. Shit like that while a temp distraction for BOTH teams is meaningless.
I think it was smart not to run against the Ravens when they expect it
Expect doesn't prevent. You might not get ALL 5 yards on the 1st carry, but you'll most likely get 5 yards on 3 carries. Roman or whatever his name is (49er offensive cord) is an "all or nothing guy". This is a case of over thinking instead of relying on basics.
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