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On September 30 2013 23:54 lOstHeaven wrote:
I am wondering if I am moving too fast in my SS progress. Current numbers are
Squat : 135 > 175
Deadlift 95> 165
Bench 95 > 115
OHP 45 > 65. Still can't finished a solid 5 rep on my last set.
My problem is when I try to go to 180, I can't seems to finish my last set. Should I be deloading the weight by 10%-15%? Been eating a lot better, solid 7-8 sleep and lost few inches on the body but gain inches in other area. Should I deload or go n and beast 180?
Don't be afraid of the deload. That's a lot of solid progress on your squat. I'd suggest you try taking just 10% off and crushing it. Maybe do a few extra reps on the last set to let the bar know who's boss, if you feel like it. Go down to like 160, and by the time you work your way up to 175 again I'll bet it feels a little lighter than it does right now.
OHP is the hardest to move up, so just be patient with it. Are the reps ugly when you do 65? time to back off a few lbs then.
Also, since it's a SS post, I am obligated to tell you to eat more. 
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@lOstHeaven: do those numbers mean you went from a 135kg squat to 175kg in 5 weeks? Because that's pretty sick imo.
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On October 01 2013 00:09 Osmoses wrote:
@lOstHeaven: do those numbers mean you went from a 135kg squat to 175kg in 5 weeks? Because that's pretty sick imo.
that would be really sick!
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On October 01 2013 00:09 Osmoses wrote:
@lOstHeaven: do those numbers mean you went from a 135kg squat to 175kg in 5 weeks? Because that's pretty sick imo.
Probably in pounds...... but 5 weeks 3x a week is 15 and that's 16 jumps of 2.5kg or 5 lbs so if it was kgs that would somewhat check out and be pretty cool
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@benKen as for my squat I am going to deload at 160 and add about 1-2 rep. The ohp rep are neither super exciting nor perfect. Seems I will back off 10% and add few more rep as well.
@Osmosis unfortunately its in lbs. If it was in kgs my ego would skyrocket inside a gym.
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Aw, I just thought because you were canadian it might be kilograms :p Either way it's good progress.
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Yeah definately don't be afraid to do a deload - especially as you get more advanced you need them more frequently. It'll do miracles for how much energy etc you have as well.
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Man, if everything goes to plan I'll be highbar squatting 120kg 3x5 on wednesday! big numbers, wooo! (83kg BW atm)
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On October 01 2013 01:56 Ahzz wrote:
Man, if everything goes to plan I'll be highbar squatting 120kg 3x5 on wednesday! big numbers, wooo! (83kg BW atm)
gl hf!
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On September 30 2013 23:35 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 22:35 Najda wrote:On September 30 2013 17:53 Osmoses wrote:
I'm torn on bodybuilding, especially bodybuilding on that kind of professional level.
On the one hand, I think it looks pretty good, that's what space marines ought to look like without their armor. Manly men. I mean, right? On the other hand, prancing around on stage posing and flexing make them look like vain sissies. The panties don't help.
On the one hand, I'd love for everyone to aspire to look like that, it's a body that exhumes the ideals of self-disciplin and hard work. On the other hand, that's just an insecure man-child who's percieved inadequacies caused him to shove dangerous amounts of steroids into his own ass.
It's tricky. Do people outside of bodybuilding actually aspire to look like that? The most common opinion I hear of them is that they look freakish. Don't get me wrong, the amount of work they put in is certainly admirible but I'd much rather have the body of a gymnast than a bodybuilder. People inside of bodybuilding don't want to look like that LOL. I feel like modern bodybuilding since Ronnie Coleman has simply been chemical warfare and genetics. Theres even like a rumor that phil heath has a mild form of that disease you see on super muscular dogs and bulls where myostatin is inhibited.
Having a mutation in one copy of the myostatin gene isn't a "mild form of a disease." It's a rare genetic variation. I wouldn't mind having it myself. Although both copies being deficient can lead to heart problems and early mortality.
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On September 30 2013 17:53 Osmoses wrote:
I'm torn on bodybuilding, especially bodybuilding on that kind of professional level.
On the one hand, I think it looks pretty good, that's what space marines ought to look like without their armor. Manly men. I mean, right? On the other hand, prancing around on stage posing and flexing make them look like vain sissies. The panties don't help.
On the one hand, I'd love for everyone to aspire to look like that, it's a body that exhumes the ideals of self-disciplin and hard work. On the other hand, that's just an insecure man-child who's percieved inadequacies caused him to shove dangerous amounts of steroids into his own ass.
It's tricky.
Firstly, you don't know what a dangerous amount of steroids is. You are ill-informed. Stop acting like you have the moral high ground here. Most of the bodybuilders on the Olympia stage know what they are doing, insofar as it is possible to know about drugs that haven't been around very long or seen much long-term testing. Almost every elite, world-class athlete is taking PEDs. And you certainly can't make the argument that bodybuilding is more dangerous than playing football. But I doubt you would accuse NFL players of taking dangerous risks in some mad bid to shore up their fragile egos.
Secondly, how is bodybuilding different from any other pursuit? Yes, bodybuilders are generally very self-oriented people who are selfish with their time, since they spend so much time in the gym, eating, and recovering. But how is that different from someone who spends inordinate amounts of time writing a book? working to build a corporate empire? working on computer code like Zuckerberg? being a basketball player?
Anyone who is at the very top of their craft, at the zenith of human accomplishment, is focused on what they do, which involves being very selfish, and leaves them open to accusations like the one above. Why do you disparage bodybuilders for having an inferiority complex, a complex that is likely projected by you? Can't the same be said of any rich man? Any dominant, elite athlete? Any great artist?
I doubt you would accuse Michelangelo of being an "insecure man-child" for spending the better part of his life sculpting and painting human figures. But you disparage the bodybuilders who do what 99.8% of humanity could never accomplish, and which the rest don't accomplish because they never put in the effort.
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soooo anyways I squatted my old pr of 175x5 during my 15 minute lunch break and then earlier today I saw a unicorn! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WeShI8c.jpg)
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On October 01 2013 12:23 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 17:53 Osmoses wrote:
I'm torn on bodybuilding, especially bodybuilding on that kind of professional level.
On the one hand, I think it looks pretty good, that's what space marines ought to look like without their armor. Manly men. I mean, right? On the other hand, prancing around on stage posing and flexing make them look like vain sissies. The panties don't help.
On the one hand, I'd love for everyone to aspire to look like that, it's a body that exhumes the ideals of self-disciplin and hard work. On the other hand, that's just an insecure man-child who's percieved inadequacies caused him to shove dangerous amounts of steroids into his own ass.
It's tricky. Firstly, you don't know what a dangerous amount of steroids is. You are ill-informed. Stop acting like you have the moral high ground here. Most of the bodybuilders on the Olympia stage know what they are doing, insofar as it is possible to know about drugs that haven't been around very long or seen much long-term testing. Almost every elite, world-class athlete is taking PEDs. And you certainly can't make the argument that bodybuilding is more dangerous than playing football. But I doubt you would accuse NFL players of taking dangerous risks in some mad bid to shore up their fragile egos. Secondly, how is bodybuilding different from any other pursuit? Yes, bodybuilders are generally very self-oriented people who are selfish with their time, since they spend so much time in the gym, eating, and recovering. But how is that different from someone who spends inordinate amounts of time writing a book? working to build a corporate empire? working on computer code like Zuckerberg? being a basketball player? Anyone who is at the very top of their craft, at the zenith of human accomplishment, is focused on what they do, which involves being very selfish, and leaves them open to accusations like the one above. Why do you disparage bodybuilders for having an inferiority complex, a complex that is likely projected by you? Can't the same be said of any rich man? Any dominant, elite athlete? Any great artist? I doubt you would accuse Michelangelo of being an "insecure man-child" for spending the better part of his life sculpting and painting human figures. But you disparage the bodybuilders who do what 99.8% of humanity could never accomplish, and which the rest don't accomplish because they never put in the effort.
First off, I will say that you make good points. I guess this topic divides some people.
No bodybuilder or anyone can healthily maintain that sort of physique, and competitions like these uphold an image of 'perfection'. People look at it, and learn to think that this is somehow ideal, even though it's not sustainable or healthy. What you do with your own body is your business and nobody elses, and you only are resposible for what you do with it. I get that. Still, I would argue that anything where you want to bring a lot of attention to a 'vain' part of you isn't good practise. Is the focus on you, or you and others.
Well, it's just my take on it. I understand that it's all around us in almost everything, but that doesn't make it any more right.
On October 01 2013 14:10 ragnasaur wrote:soooo anyways I squatted my old pr of 175x5 during my 15 minute lunch break and then earlier today I saw a unicorn!
Magical things are bound to happen!
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On October 01 2013 12:23 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 17:53 Osmoses wrote:
I'm torn on bodybuilding, especially bodybuilding on that kind of professional level.
On the one hand, I think it looks pretty good, that's what space marines ought to look like without their armor. Manly men. I mean, right? On the other hand, prancing around on stage posing and flexing make them look like vain sissies. The panties don't help.
On the one hand, I'd love for everyone to aspire to look like that, it's a body that exhumes the ideals of self-disciplin and hard work. On the other hand, that's just an insecure man-child who's percieved inadequacies caused him to shove dangerous amounts of steroids into his own ass.
It's tricky. Firstly, you don't know what a dangerous amount of steroids is. You are ill-informed. Stop acting like you have the moral high ground here. Most of the bodybuilders on the Olympia stage know what they are doing, insofar as it is possible to know about drugs that haven't been around very long or seen much long-term testing. Almost every elite, world-class athlete is taking PEDs. And you certainly can't make the argument that bodybuilding is more dangerous than playing football. But I doubt you would accuse NFL players of taking dangerous risks in some mad bid to shore up their fragile egos. Secondly, how is bodybuilding different from any other pursuit? Yes, bodybuilders are generally very self-oriented people who are selfish with their time, since they spend so much time in the gym, eating, and recovering. But how is that different from someone who spends inordinate amounts of time writing a book? working to build a corporate empire? working on computer code like Zuckerberg? being a basketball player? Anyone who is at the very top of their craft, at the zenith of human accomplishment, is focused on what they do, which involves being very selfish, and leaves them open to accusations like the one above. Why do you disparage bodybuilders for having an inferiority complex, a complex that is likely projected by you? Can't the same be said of any rich man? Any dominant, elite athlete? Any great artist? I doubt you would accuse Michelangelo of being an "insecure man-child" for spending the better part of his life sculpting and painting human figures. But you disparage the bodybuilders who do what 99.8% of humanity could never accomplish, and which the rest don't accomplish because they never put in the effort.
If you can't see the difference between a real craft and injecting just to get bigger tits then I can't and won't even try to argue with you.
I have no problem with bodybuilding. I'm an edge-case myself, trying to slim down and get more definition. But everything in moderation, and juicing for the sole purpose of vanity is so far past the line of anything you might call health & fitness that, in my opinion, the discussion itself doesn't even belong on this subforum.
I'm not crazy about athletic roiding either.
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On October 01 2013 18:28 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 12:23 IgnE wrote:On September 30 2013 17:53 Osmoses wrote:
I'm torn on bodybuilding, especially bodybuilding on that kind of professional level.
On the one hand, I think it looks pretty good, that's what space marines ought to look like without their armor. Manly men. I mean, right? On the other hand, prancing around on stage posing and flexing make them look like vain sissies. The panties don't help.
On the one hand, I'd love for everyone to aspire to look like that, it's a body that exhumes the ideals of self-disciplin and hard work. On the other hand, that's just an insecure man-child who's percieved inadequacies caused him to shove dangerous amounts of steroids into his own ass.
It's tricky. Firstly, you don't know what a dangerous amount of steroids is. You are ill-informed. Stop acting like you have the moral high ground here. Most of the bodybuilders on the Olympia stage know what they are doing, insofar as it is possible to know about drugs that haven't been around very long or seen much long-term testing. Almost every elite, world-class athlete is taking PEDs. And you certainly can't make the argument that bodybuilding is more dangerous than playing football. But I doubt you would accuse NFL players of taking dangerous risks in some mad bid to shore up their fragile egos. Secondly, how is bodybuilding different from any other pursuit? Yes, bodybuilders are generally very self-oriented people who are selfish with their time, since they spend so much time in the gym, eating, and recovering. But how is that different from someone who spends inordinate amounts of time writing a book? working to build a corporate empire? working on computer code like Zuckerberg? being a basketball player? Anyone who is at the very top of their craft, at the zenith of human accomplishment, is focused on what they do, which involves being very selfish, and leaves them open to accusations like the one above. Why do you disparage bodybuilders for having an inferiority complex, a complex that is likely projected by you? Can't the same be said of any rich man? Any dominant, elite athlete? Any great artist? I doubt you would accuse Michelangelo of being an "insecure man-child" for spending the better part of his life sculpting and painting human figures. But you disparage the bodybuilders who do what 99.8% of humanity could never accomplish, and which the rest don't accomplish because they never put in the effort. If you can't see the difference between a real craft and injecting just to get bigger tits then I can't and won't even try to argue with you. I have no problem with bodybuilding. I'm an edge-case myself, trying to slim down and get more definition. But everything in moderation, and juicing for the sole purpose of vanity is so far past the line of anything you might call health & fitness that, in my opinion, the discussion itself doesn't even belong on this subforum. I'm not crazy about athletic roiding either.
If you can't see the difference between a real craft and incurring brain damage violently throwing yourself into someone else at top speed then I can't and won't even try to argue with you.
I have no problem with football. I'm an edge-case myself, trying to play flag football on the weekend. But everything in moderation, and playing football for the sole purpose of vanity is so far past the line of anything you might call health & fitness that, in my opinion the discussion itself doesn't even belong on this subforum.
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You don't know anything about steroids, do you?
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Lol, like I said, I'm not even gonna try here.
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On October 01 2013 18:55 Osmoses wrote:
Lol, like I said, I'm not even gonna try here.
Osmoses alert: Michelangelo is a vain, insecure man-child because he spent his body and emotional energy doing the Sistine Chapel. To call it art would be to undermine the notion of healthy moderation.
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He has no problem with bodybuilding, because then he can dismiss the bodybuilder's superior physique as the product of an overwrought inferiority complex and a cocktail of chemicals. And all of it just to get bigger tits.
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If I'm coming off as a high and mighty dick here I apologize, but I'm not having this argument.
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The whole idea of the initiatve is to provide an encouraging community so we can all pursue our health and fitness goals better. Let's not turn it into a flame war, no point. Besides, there's very few people in this sub who lift for vanity afaik besides myself so it's not even the right place for it. If you want to argue, do it over PM.
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