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So Hall of Fame voting today...no one got in this year in the standard balloting process. Here are the results:
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A player is eligible for 15 years on the standard ballot if they receive at least 5% of the vote the previous year. In order to get in, a player must receive at least 75% of the vote. What do you guys think? Any surprises here? Seeing the votes that Biggs got, I think he is a shoe in either next year of the following. Morris might actually get in next year as well, it will be his last shot.
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Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton falling off is really sad. Neither really deserves to be in the HoF, if it was MY Hall of Fame, but they were both very very good players. Don Mattingly at least got his years on the Ballot. I'm also mildly surprised that the voters didn't just push Morris in a dying gasp attempt to validate antiquated narrative building.
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United States13896 Posts
My childhood hatred of the Yankees kind of clouds my judgment concerning Williams so I won't comment one way or the other on him. It definitely feels odd that Kenny Lofton garnered so little support. He was exceptional in his role, it just so happens his role didn't really involve hitting tons of home runs or driving in bunches of runs. He was either always playing his way into the playoffs on a great team, or playing his way into a trade to a team that was going to the playoffs. I can understand him not making it, I just can't understand him having so little support.
Was his name somehow connected to steroids and I haven't heard it/don't remember it?
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Roffles
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Don't believe Lofton was connected to roids, but he played during the era, which might lead to lower appreciation for what he brought to the table since everyone else was roided up and producing ridiculous numbers.
Also, who gave Aaron Sele a vote? Holy fuck lol.
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On January 10 2013 16:00 slyboogie wrote: Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton falling off is really sad. Neither really deserves to be in the HoF, if it was MY Hall of Fame, but they were both very very good players. Don Mattingly at least got his years on the Ballot. I'm also mildly surprised that the voters didn't just push Morris in a dying gasp attempt to validate antiquated narrative building.
I have to agree with you. Both of those guys (Lofton and Williams) were amazing players (as well as Finley) that were great baseball men as well as people you knew would always contribute to your teams. Yeah, maybe not Hall material, but definitely examples of how the game really should be played.
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On January 10 2013 17:32 Roffles wrote: Also, who gave Aaron Sele a vote? Holy fuck lol. That 4.61 Career ERA deserves a vote.
Honestly, this type of year was going to come out of the steroid scandal, where the voters would not vote anyone associated in that era. Of course, there will be a few that get in eventually, like Biggio and Piazza.
On the other hand, I don't know if Morris will ever make it. I don't see writers would vote for him after the 15 Year Eligibility is up, and there are a few candidates that are practically shoo-ins for next year. His career accomplishments are about the playoffs, but his regular season stats aren't very good (3.90 Career ERA).
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On January 11 2013 14:59 Phelix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 17:32 Roffles wrote: Also, who gave Aaron Sele a vote? Holy fuck lol. That 4.61 Career ERA deserves a vote. Honestly, this type of year was going to come out of the steroid scandal, where the voters would not vote anyone associated in that era. Of course, there will be a few that get in eventually, like Biggio and Piazza. On the other hand, I don't know if Morris will ever make it. I don't see writers would vote for him after the 15 Year Eligibility is up, and there are a few candidates that are practically shoo-ins for next year. His career accomplishments are about the playoffs, but his regular season stats aren't very good (3.90 Career ERA).
I do really hope (and am convinced) that Biggs will get in, but I was never sold on Piazza...pretty good hitter, but not outstanding, and he was a god-awful catcher. I always saw him as an overrated player, but then again because it was the steroid era, it might earn him a few extra points.
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About time he got a deal...opted out a $14 Million Option, to get a 2 Yr, $14-Mil Average contract. I think he priced himself out of the market since all the other relievers were grabbed early, but a good deal nonetheless to compete with Atlanta's bullpen. Clippard, Storen, and Soriano makes a fierce 7-8-9 combination.
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And their rotation is so loaded they won't even need to use relievers in those innings half the time >____>
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Didn't he want a significant raise over his last contract of $3 Million? I guess since Texas didn't have any interest in him, he didn't have many other options but to play in Toronto. Good for the Jays and him as well.
Michael Morse rumored to be traded in a three-way deal to Seattle...This move makes zero sense for Seattle at all, since they don't have a spot for him except DH, and he has stated that he doesn't like it.
C - Jesus Montero 1B/DH - Justin Smoak 1B/DH - Kendrys Morales 1B - Mike Carp (Yes, I know he's the backup 1B, but Smoak can go one of those terrible slumps) LF/DH - Raul Ibanez
Where will they stick Morse unless they have decided to end the experiment of developing Smoak/Carp...none of the players have great defense. Seattle really prays that Montero can catch; if they don't, they will even have bigger problems.
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On January 17 2013 13:47 Phelix wrote:Didn't he want a significant raise over his last contract of $3 Million? I guess since Texas didn't have any interest in him, he didn't have many other options but to play in Toronto. Good for the Jays and him as well. Michael Morse rumored to be traded in a three-way deal to Seattle...This move makes zero sense for Seattle at all, since they don't have a spot for him except DH, and he has stated that he doesn't like it. C - Jesus Montero 1B/DH - Justin Smoak 1B/DH - Kendrys Morales 1B - Mike Carp (Yes, I know he's the backup 1B, but Smoak can go one of those terrible slumps) LF/DH - Raul Ibanez Where will they stick Morse unless they have decided to end the experiment of developing Smoak/Carp...none of the players have great defense. Seattle really prays that Montero can catch; if they don't, they will even have bigger problems. It was confirmed quite a while ago. I'm sad about the trade - loved having Morse on the team, great guy. Disastrous fielder, especially in the OF, but tons of fun, massive bat. Maybe SEA could stick him at SS? That's where he originally was in their organization
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On January 17 2013 13:47 Phelix wrote:Didn't he want a significant raise over his last contract of $3 Million? I guess since Texas didn't have any interest in him, he didn't have many other options but to play in Toronto. Good for the Jays and him as well. Michael Morse rumored to be traded in a three-way deal to Seattle...This move makes zero sense for Seattle at all, since they don't have a spot for him except DH, and he has stated that he doesn't like it. C - Jesus Montero 1B/DH - Justin Smoak 1B/DH - Kendrys Morales 1B - Mike Carp (Yes, I know he's the backup 1B, but Smoak can go one of those terrible slumps) LF/DH - Raul Ibanez Where will they stick Morse unless they have decided to end the experiment of developing Smoak/Carp...none of the players have great defense. Seattle really prays that Montero can catch; if they don't, they will even have bigger problems.
Darren Oliver denied he "personally" asked for a raise in the interview i alluded to in my post. He threw his Agent under the bus.. .and then drove the bus over his agent 3 or 4 times. Darren is a good pitcher.. and really bad liar.
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On January 17 2013 13:47 Phelix wrote:Didn't he want a significant raise over his last contract of $3 Million? I guess since Texas didn't have any interest in him, he didn't have many other options but to play in Toronto. Good for the Jays and him as well. Michael Morse rumored to be traded in a three-way deal to Seattle...This move makes zero sense for Seattle at all, since they don't have a spot for him except DH, and he has stated that he doesn't like it. C - Jesus Montero 1B/DH - Justin Smoak 1B/DH - Kendrys Morales 1B - Mike Carp (Yes, I know he's the backup 1B, but Smoak can go one of those terrible slumps) LF/DH - Raul Ibanez Where will they stick Morse unless they have decided to end the experiment of developing Smoak/Carp...none of the players have great defense. Seattle really prays that Montero can catch; if they don't, they will even have bigger problems.
Not a lot is making sense for the Mariners right now. I still think they have another trade in the works.
Enjoy John Jason, Oakland fans. That mofo is clutch
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On January 17 2013 16:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 13:47 Phelix wrote:Didn't he want a significant raise over his last contract of $3 Million? I guess since Texas didn't have any interest in him, he didn't have many other options but to play in Toronto. Good for the Jays and him as well. Michael Morse rumored to be traded in a three-way deal to Seattle...This move makes zero sense for Seattle at all, since they don't have a spot for him except DH, and he has stated that he doesn't like it. C - Jesus Montero 1B/DH - Justin Smoak 1B/DH - Kendrys Morales 1B - Mike Carp (Yes, I know he's the backup 1B, but Smoak can go one of those terrible slumps) LF/DH - Raul Ibanez Where will they stick Morse unless they have decided to end the experiment of developing Smoak/Carp...none of the players have great defense. Seattle really prays that Montero can catch; if they don't, they will even have bigger problems. Darren Oliver denied he "personally" asked for a raise in the interview i alluded to in my post. He threw his Agent under the bus.. .and then drove the bus over his agent 3 or 4 times. Darren is a good pitcher.. and really bad liar.
if he does want to retire, why wouldnt you want your final year to be with a [potentially] blockbuster team? an extra 3 mill in the bank wont hurt either
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Oh dear, Napoli lost $34 Million guaranteed due to a physical (The reason was that he has a bad hip). Now with the Red Sox for 1 Yr-5 Mil with incentives up to 13 Mil.
And here comes the arbitration signings...
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