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On December 11 2012 05:48 Phelix wrote:
The Yankees will still be on top of the AL East, as zer0das states, because the age factor mostly affects the postseason, where they don't have any short-bursts of offense in a series.
Oh Red Sox, having a payroll of $125+ Million and going to be in last place, while having all of their contracts end in 3 years. Maybe it's time to start rebuilding instead of these silly stop-gap measures.
The Royals-Rays trade basically secures Dayton Moore's job through 2013. If the Royals get to the postseason with Shields, and big leaps from their young players, he'll prove all the doubters wrong. It is a big gamble, and I don't like the trade from the Royals side, but I don't think this was a one-sided trade at all.
Who knows how Myers will develop in the majors? We've all seen how great minor-league numbers doesn't translate to major-league success. What the Royals have traded is big-risk for a proven track-record geared towards the 2013 season. If this doesn't work out, here comes the fire sale of 2014 and rebuild again.
Myers is not a top 3 prospect based solely on numbers, but on ability. Scouts look at things like quickness, bat speed, plate patience, range, growth potential (muscle, etc.), etc. There's a reason he is right behind Jurickson Profar and Dylan Bundy and it isn't because he hit 37 homers between AA and AAA last year. Guy is going to be a monster, though, he does have a lack of plate patience, but hey, we had Pena so he can't be any worse. :p
I still can't fathom how we picked Tim Beckham over Buster Posey though...Posey was about as a sure thing as you're ever going to get (like Mike Trout).
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On December 07 2012 05:27 TriO wrote:Its called supply and demand. With the lack of good free agents out there you're going to have to overpay for trash.
Pagan isn't trash. He was a lead off hitter for the majority of the season, so his primary stat isn't RBI/HRs, it's runs/stolen bases (95 runs; 29/36 steals). If he was a middle of the order hitter, then the Giants front office would have been stupid to sign him at that price. For what his job is, he does more than an adequate job.
I mean Michael Bourn is expected to get a contract up to 100m (or was, before the market dried up). Pagan and Bourn are essentially the same type of player, just that Bourn is significantly better at getting on base and scoring runs.
Not to say that the Giants didn't overpay him though, I would say he's worth 4 years 32m, but hey, the CF market was really short this off-season.
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On December 11 2012 06:21 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 05:48 Phelix wrote:
The Yankees will still be on top of the AL East, as zer0das states, because the age factor mostly affects the postseason, where they don't have any short-bursts of offense in a series.
Oh Red Sox, having a payroll of $125+ Million and going to be in last place, while having all of their contracts end in 3 years. Maybe it's time to start rebuilding instead of these silly stop-gap measures.
The Royals-Rays trade basically secures Dayton Moore's job through 2013. If the Royals get to the postseason with Shields, and big leaps from their young players, he'll prove all the doubters wrong. It is a big gamble, and I don't like the trade from the Royals side, but I don't think this was a one-sided trade at all.
Who knows how Myers will develop in the majors? We've all seen how great minor-league numbers doesn't translate to major-league success. What the Royals have traded is big-risk for a proven track-record geared towards the 2013 season. If this doesn't work out, here comes the fire sale of 2014 and rebuild again. Myers is not a top 3 prospect based solely on numbers, but on ability. Scouts look at things like quickness, bat speed, plate patience, range, growth potential (muscle, etc.), etc. There's a reason he is right behind Jurickson Profar and Dylan Bundy and it isn't because he hit 37 homers between AA and AAA last year. Guy is going to be a monster, though, he does have a lack of plate patience, but hey, we had Pena so he can't be any worse. :p I still can't fathom how we picked Tim Beckham over Buster Posey though...Posey was about as a sure thing as you're ever going to get (like Mike Trout).
Which is why 20 somewhat teams passed on Trout right? haha
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I feel like I'm in some sort of baseball purgatory. I know the Yankees are probably going to make the playoffs, but the chances of them getting past an ALCS opponent... practically nil. I feel like it has been this way since 2009. But they're not really bad enough to blow the team up either (and good luck getting rid of Arod).
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On December 11 2012 06:25 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:21 Wegandi wrote:On December 11 2012 05:48 Phelix wrote:
The Yankees will still be on top of the AL East, as zer0das states, because the age factor mostly affects the postseason, where they don't have any short-bursts of offense in a series.
Oh Red Sox, having a payroll of $125+ Million and going to be in last place, while having all of their contracts end in 3 years. Maybe it's time to start rebuilding instead of these silly stop-gap measures.
The Royals-Rays trade basically secures Dayton Moore's job through 2013. If the Royals get to the postseason with Shields, and big leaps from their young players, he'll prove all the doubters wrong. It is a big gamble, and I don't like the trade from the Royals side, but I don't think this was a one-sided trade at all.
Who knows how Myers will develop in the majors? We've all seen how great minor-league numbers doesn't translate to major-league success. What the Royals have traded is big-risk for a proven track-record geared towards the 2013 season. If this doesn't work out, here comes the fire sale of 2014 and rebuild again. Myers is not a top 3 prospect based solely on numbers, but on ability. Scouts look at things like quickness, bat speed, plate patience, range, growth potential (muscle, etc.), etc. There's a reason he is right behind Jurickson Profar and Dylan Bundy and it isn't because he hit 37 homers between AA and AAA last year. Guy is going to be a monster, though, he does have a lack of plate patience, but hey, we had Pena so he can't be any worse. :p I still can't fathom how we picked Tim Beckham over Buster Posey though...Posey was about as a sure thing as you're ever going to get (like Mike Trout). Which is why 20 somewhat teams passed on Trout right? haha
They passed on Trout because he wasn't a big prep prospect in Jersey. He wasn't adequately scouted, it was a failure of a geographical nature. Drafting is, obviously, never going to be perfect, but after Rookie, A, High-A, AA...on and on, we tend to have more data points to work with.
Anyways, Myers is the only position prospect in Jurickson Profar's league.
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I'M GEEKIN OUT MAN
Looks like the Reds are landing Choo Shin Soo for Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorious.
Been aching to see Stubbs leave Cincinnati for ages. Gregorious could be something special but we needed another OF and Choo brings so much to the table. I might get the chance to use my extremely limited Korean skills at the stadium lol
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On December 12 2012 08:34 p4NDemik wrote:
I'M GEEKIN OUT MAN
Looks like the Reds are landing Choo Shin Soo for Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorious.
Been aching to see Stubbs leave Cincinnati for ages. Gregorious could be something special but we needed another OF and Choo brings so much to the table. I might get the chance to use my extremely limited Korean skills at the stadium lol
Good, you won't have to endure the maddening world of Drew Stubbs and his performance any longer!
In other news, I cannot picture what Kevin Youkilis will look like without any facial hair.
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On December 11 2012 05:48 Phelix wrote:
The Yankees will still be on top of the AL East, as zer0das states, because the age factor mostly affects the postseason, where they don't have any short-bursts of offense in a series.
Oh Red Sox, having a payroll of $125+ Million and going to be in last place, while having all of their contracts end in 3 years. Maybe it's time to start rebuilding instead of these silly stop-gap measures.
The Royals-Rays trade basically secures Dayton Moore's job through 2013. If the Royals get to the postseason with Shields, and big leaps from their young players, he'll prove all the doubters wrong. It is a big gamble, and I don't like the trade from the Royals side, but I don't think this was a one-sided trade at all.
Who knows how Myers will develop in the majors? We've all seen how great minor-league numbers doesn't translate to major-league success. What the Royals have traded is big-risk for a proven track-record geared towards the 2013 season. If this doesn't work out, here comes the fire sale of 2014 and rebuild again.
This is how the sox are rebuilding, holding onto their prospects and signing players that will keep the spot warm until the new guys are ready, while having a chance to compete in 2013. They think that the window for their farm system to turn out a new round of players is 2-3 years from now, but they have the money so that they can sign some pieces that they think will keep the relevant until then. The other thing they are doing in signing guys who do well in a club house so that they have a team that their own fans don't hate. And napoli rakes so freaking hard in Fenway that if he maintains that stat line for three years, he will walk out with 3 all stars and at least one mvp. He hits so well in Fenway its freaking scary.
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Yeah, but napoli in fenway is basically the definition of small sample size.
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On December 12 2012 09:59 Antoine wrote:
Yeah, but napoli in fenway is basically the definition of small sample size.
Fair enough, but its big enough they don't want him hitting against them.
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On December 12 2012 09:58 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 05:48 Phelix wrote:
The Yankees will still be on top of the AL East, as zer0das states, because the age factor mostly affects the postseason, where they don't have any short-bursts of offense in a series.
Oh Red Sox, having a payroll of $125+ Million and going to be in last place, while having all of their contracts end in 3 years. Maybe it's time to start rebuilding instead of these silly stop-gap measures.
The Royals-Rays trade basically secures Dayton Moore's job through 2013. If the Royals get to the postseason with Shields, and big leaps from their young players, he'll prove all the doubters wrong. It is a big gamble, and I don't like the trade from the Royals side, but I don't think this was a one-sided trade at all.
Who knows how Myers will develop in the majors? We've all seen how great minor-league numbers doesn't translate to major-league success. What the Royals have traded is big-risk for a proven track-record geared towards the 2013 season. If this doesn't work out, here comes the fire sale of 2014 and rebuild again. This is how the sox are rebuilding, holding onto their prospects and signing players that will keep the spot warm until the new guys are ready, while having a chance to compete in 2013. They think that the window for their farm system to turn out a new round of players is 2-3 years from now, but they have the money so that they can sign some pieces that they think will keep the relevant until then. The other thing they are doing in signing guys who do well in a club house so that they have a team that their own fans don't hate. And napoli rakes so freaking hard in Fenway that if he maintains that stat line for three years, he will walk out with 3 all stars and at least one mvp. He hits so well in Fenway its freaking scary.
You are correct in the fact that they need better PR with the clubhouse and the fans for the debacles last year with Valentine, but the contracts to those veterans don't make sense at all. I thought the Sox were trying to develop Lavarnaway as the Catcher, but then why sign Napoli? Do they expect Ellsbury to develop as a Corner Outfielder now that Victorino is here? This is the problem of big-market franchises, where teams need to placate their fans and not go into full tank mode, expecially one that spends a lot. I don't believe Napoli will hit like that in Boston, his season in 2011 was fueled by an insanely high BABIP.
Seattle's offseason: Spend $10 Million on a scoreboard. Ok, they re-signed Oliver Perez.
In other news: Where does Anibal Sanchez go from here? I don't see any teams left willing to sign such a big deal for him, now that Greinke picks the Dodgers over the Rangers, and the Rangers are not as enamored about Sanchez. Yankees are attempting to get under the 189 Million Luxury Tax Threshhold. Tigers are likely, but I don't see them signing for such a big deal.
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On December 13 2012 00:42 Phelix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 09:58 Jaaaaasper wrote:On December 11 2012 05:48 Phelix wrote:
The Yankees will still be on top of the AL East, as zer0das states, because the age factor mostly affects the postseason, where they don't have any short-bursts of offense in a series.
Oh Red Sox, having a payroll of $125+ Million and going to be in last place, while having all of their contracts end in 3 years. Maybe it's time to start rebuilding instead of these silly stop-gap measures.
The Royals-Rays trade basically secures Dayton Moore's job through 2013. If the Royals get to the postseason with Shields, and big leaps from their young players, he'll prove all the doubters wrong. It is a big gamble, and I don't like the trade from the Royals side, but I don't think this was a one-sided trade at all.
Who knows how Myers will develop in the majors? We've all seen how great minor-league numbers doesn't translate to major-league success. What the Royals have traded is big-risk for a proven track-record geared towards the 2013 season. If this doesn't work out, here comes the fire sale of 2014 and rebuild again. This is how the sox are rebuilding, holding onto their prospects and signing players that will keep the spot warm until the new guys are ready, while having a chance to compete in 2013. They think that the window for their farm system to turn out a new round of players is 2-3 years from now, but they have the money so that they can sign some pieces that they think will keep the relevant until then. The other thing they are doing in signing guys who do well in a club house so that they have a team that their own fans don't hate. And napoli rakes so freaking hard in Fenway that if he maintains that stat line for three years, he will walk out with 3 all stars and at least one mvp. He hits so well in Fenway its freaking scary. You are correct in the fact that they need better PR with the clubhouse and the fans for the debacles last year with Valentine, but the contracts to those veterans don't make sense at all. I thought the Sox were trying to develop Lavarnaway as the Catcher, but then why sign Napoli? Do they expect Ellsbury to develop as a Corner Outfielder now that Victorino is here? This is the problem of big-market franchises, where teams need to placate their fans and not go into full tank mode, expecially one that spends a lot. I don't believe Napoli will hit like that in Boston, his season in 2011 was fueled by an insanely high BABIP. Seattle's offseason: Spend $10 Million on a scoreboard. Ok, they re-signed Oliver Perez. In other news: Where does Anibal Sanchez go from here? I don't see any teams left willing to sign such a big deal for him, now that Greinke picks the Dodgers over the Rangers, and the Rangers are not as enamored about Sanchez. Yankees are attempting to get under the 189 Million Luxury Tax Threshhold. Tigers are likely, but I don't see them signing for such a big deal.
Victorino is playing the corner, unless els is traded, and napoli is playing first base. And my impression of napolis' hitting has to do with the fact that Fenway is built almost perfectly for him to hit home runs, and in a 50 pa or so sample has hit a a insane clip. And lava still has minor league options, and needs to use them to work on defense. He can't prove much more with his bat in the minors, but his defense and pitch calling could use the time.
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Andres Torres resigned to the Giants - 1 year deal. The Gazelle is back...such a huge part of our 2010 World Series Championship team. I can't wait to see him patrolling the outfield again. It was weird to watch him hit...always used one of the biggest, heaviest bats in the league. Welcome back!
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So Hamilton is heading the Angles after all.
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On December 14 2012 04:40 TheAmazombie wrote:
So Hamilton is heading the Angles after all.
Interesting. I didn't even know they were in contention for him.
That relieves me a little, because I had figured seattle was going to pick him up, and I wasn't too excited about that.
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5 years/ 125 million for Hamilton. He is so not worth that much, especially with all of the baggage he is carrying around.
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The west coast is the new north east coast, the huge contracts are flying like the the al and nl east a few years ago.
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On December 14 2012 07:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
The west coast is the new north east coast, the huge contracts are flying like the the al and nl east a few years ago.
Yeah, that is what they have been building towards, making the Dodgers the new Yanks and the Giants the new Red Sox.
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Also, Ryan Dempster, 2-year deal with the Red Sox. Too bad...I always thought he would have been a good fit with my G-Men.
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Yup, and the Red Sox Giants won 2 of the last 3 titles so that's it for about 70 years or so... Yankees Dodgers dynasty is up next.
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