EPTOn March 06 2013 07:35 Epx wrote:
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Borussia Dortmund, heja BVB!
EUROPE BEWARE.
Borussia Dortmund, heja BVB!
EUROPE BEWARE.
thats a fucking scary tifosi
Champions League/Europa League Thread 2012-13 - Page 62
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
thats a fucking scary tifosi | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
https://twitter.com/RefereeCuneyt/following | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On March 06 2013 06:59 mordk wrote: PL has hype in part because of huge bucks, and in part because, even if big teams aren't THAT good, the league is BY FAR the most fun out of the big ones in europe, it's awesome, very few matches are boring to watch, and stadiums are always packed giving an amazing ambience. I've still got the feeling that these past few years have been a transition for the PL, a period of weakness, but the teams will be regaining form in the coming years. Especially with the ludicrous amount of spending money due to the teams with the TV deal. | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4177 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:49 mAKiTO wrote: well honestly, I dont see why anyone is not talking about SAF poor decisions. after having the lead 1-0 and getting that red card, a substitution needed to be done asap and re adjust the team.We all know how real plays, he shouldve adjusted better. See, this is the problem with football. there are cases of bribery, horrific calls, constant diving and play-acting, and many other things that tarnish the reputation and integrity of this game, and fans just say, "Well let's not really focus on those things and brush them aside with talk of other things." Yes, you play on. Yes, it's part of the game to be able to handle a bullshit call like that. But I think it's starting to get a little ridiculous that we have events that consistently put into question the integrity of this game and people just keep chalking it to "it's a part of the game". This is the kind of thing that enables football organizations to just keep on going like nothing's wrong. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Wow omg I didn't realise, in the last 8 clasicos RM have won 4, drawn 3, lost 1. That's impressive. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:49 mAKiTO wrote: well honestly, I dont see why anyone is not talking about SAF poor decisions. after having the lead 1-0 and getting that red card, a substitution needed to be done asap and re adjust the team.We all know how real plays, he shouldve adjusted better. He probably anticipated Madrid scoring and saved his subs for offense. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:35 Epx wrote: Borussia Dortmund, heja BVB! EUROPE BEWARE. jaeh  so now i can sleep well in my BVB blanket | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:49 mAKiTO wrote: well honestly, I dont see why anyone is not talking about SAF poor decisions. after having the lead 1-0 and getting that red card, a substitution needed to be done asap and re adjust the team.We all know how real plays, he shouldve adjusted better. What substitution? He already had his most defensive team on the pitch, except for Nani, the man who got sent off! | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:40 La1 wrote: Just letting everybody know todays match ref for united vs madrid is actually only following 38 people on twitter including real madrid and ronaldo ... hmm https://twitter.com/RefereeCuneyt/following Won't help his case '~' | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:35 Epx wrote: Borussia Dortmund, heja BVB! EUROPE BEWARE. And this is why we love Dortmund. | ||
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zf
231 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:49 mAKiTO wrote: well honestly, I dont see why anyone is not talking about SAF poor decisions. after having the lead 1-0 and getting that red card, a substitution needed to be done asap and re adjust the team.We all know how real plays, he shouldve adjusted better. Who do you bring on and why? No one is obviously tired. Nani, given his position, is the most expendable player in a 10 v. 11 situation. A case could be made for replacing Welbeck, but I don't think that replacing him with, say, Rooney, would have made a difference. | ||
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zf
231 Posts
On March 06 2013 08:09 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yes, you play on. Yes, it's part of the game to be able to handle a bullshit call like that. But I think it's starting to get a little ridiculous that we have events that consistently put into question the integrity of this game and people just keep chalking it to "it's a part of the game". This is the kind of thing that enables football organizations to just keep on going like nothing's wrong. Yes, I think that the confederations and federations are poorly run, but I don't think there's much they can do to prevent incidents like this except for maybe insisting on more consistent refereeing guidelines across leagues. There isn't any evidence of corruption -- Twitter followings aren't that -- and until there is, there's no reason to think that the controversy results from anything other than a genuine lack of consensus on how the rules ought to be applied. One referee's warning is another referee's red card and, unfortunately for United fans, Cüneyt Çakır happened to be that referee. | ||
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Sigmur
Poland497 Posts
On March 06 2013 08:00 Maenander wrote: Real was lucky to advance to the next round in that manner, but the referee's decision was certainly justifiable. How so? | ||
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zf
231 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:13 Sigmur wrote: How so? If you stick your boot that high and hit someone with your studs, some referees will see it as "excessive force" even if you do so to control the ball. I didn't think it deserved a red card, but I understand why others might. | ||
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archonOOid
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Sabu113
United States11111 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:13 zf wrote: Yes, I think that the confederations and federations are poorly run, but I don't think there's much they can do to prevent incidents like this except for maybe insisting on more consistent refereeing guidelines across leagues. There isn't any evidence of corruption -- Twitter followings aren't that -- and until there is, there's no reason to think that the controversy results from anything other than a genuine lack of consensus on how the rules ought to be applied. One referee's warning is another referee's red card and, unfortunately for United fans, Cüneyt Çakır happened to be that referee. I think it's another shady event in a history of shady events happening in UEFA and FIFA events. When Drogba complained that his tie in the champions league was a disgrace, that wasn't far from the mark. As an impartial observer (not a chelsea fan at the least) Barca had clearly gotten the better end of the refereeing along with some dodgy calls. Consistently it seems that Barca and Spanish teams receive more favorable reffing. Now the call tonight is being made into more of a debate than it really should be. Everton manager David Moyes: "I think tonight Sir Alex Ferguson will be rightly as angry as he has ever been. The decision changed the game. "I am looking from a manager's point of view and Manchester United have had a hard time tonight. I think they have a right to surround the referee. The decision was poor and it has cost them the biggest prize in football." Former Liverpool and Germany midfielder Dietmar Hamann: "He wants to bring it down, I think no Real Madrid player expected it, nobody was claiming a red card. He didn't see him he didn't mean to do it, it's not even a booking." It's misleading to call it a tackle in the same way you would call DeJong's assault a tackle. Nani was trapping the ball and Arbeloa challenged him. Maybe a yellow allowing for continental sensibilities but that was by no means dangerous play. It wasn't a lofted kick- it was a leg held out to trap the ball. Now put that in the context of iffy reffing in the first leg (most clear cut example is the failure to give the final corner) and the betting scandal involving group stages, and we are left with a lot of shadiness in soccer's international organizations. At the very least, they have failed to stamp out the scourge of fixed matches. At the very worst, they are abetting them. It seems more like incompetence than corruption but there have been doubts raised about this ref before. http://www.totalbarca.com/2012/news/cakir-controversially-refereeing-spain-v-portugal/ There should be hell to pay. For this man and the people who put him on the pitch. I am hoping for some sort of organized boycott against Heinekin. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On March 06 2013 09:13 zf wrote: Yes, I think that the confederations and federations are poorly run, but I don't think there's much they can do to prevent incidents like this except for maybe insisting on more consistent refereeing guidelines across leagues. There isn't any evidence of corruption -- Twitter followings aren't that -- and until there is, there's no reason to think that the controversy results from anything other than a genuine lack of consensus on how the rules ought to be applied. One referee's warning is another referee's red card and, unfortunately for United fans, Cüneyt Çakır happened to be that referee. Referees are human and they get one full speed look--that's the problem and that will always be the problem as long as straight red cards exist, and it's a flaw in the game that the entire rest of the game can change cause of one instantaneous decision after one look at a play. Random proposal in this light: For the big league/cup matches, the referee provisionally sends someone off, and in the next few minutes there's a backup referee that looks at it on video and can decide that it doesn't warrant a red and then the red card is not "complete" and the player can come back on and it's modified to a yellow. Or he does say it's a red card and it is completed and he stays sent off. I don't really see how that infringes the spirit of the game very much at all, it's just like moving the appeal process into a lot quicker action while the game can be salvaged.. The backup referee can even be in radio communication with the center, to clarify if anything else went into it like abusive language or whatever. | ||
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zf
231 Posts
On March 06 2013 11:23 Sabu113 wrote: It seems more like incompetence than corruption... I don't think it's just incompetence. FIFA and UEFA are clearly willing to appoint referees that issue cards liberally. I would be surprised if the referee believed that he made a mistake after reviewing the incident. I don't like it, but I can't see UEFA doing anything about that. I'm not arguing that there's no incompetence or corruption. There's both. I just think that there are additional factors. (I completely agree with you about Ovrebro.) | ||
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