Holy shit there is a lot of but hurt United fans here.
Yes Nani's red was questionable (he did kick someone in the chest stud first mind you) but you fail to neglect the fact that Rafael stopped a goal with his arm a few minutes after. That is a red and a penalty right there.
Also disgraceful behavior from Fergie and Ferdinand
This is the kind of shit that makes me embarrassed to be a football fan at times, and I don't even like Man U. Any RM fans that take joy or pride out of that win should be ashamed of themselves. The ref literally handed them that game.
On March 06 2013 06:43 Patrio wrote: Holy shit there is a lot of but hurt United fans here.
Yes Nani's red was questionable (he did kick someone in the chest stud first mind you) but you fail to neglect the fact that Rafael stopped a goal with his arm a few minutes after. That is a red and a penalty right there.
Also disgraceful behavior from Fergie and Ferdinand
Srsly? if that was red and penalty then Khedira and ramos should've been sent of also and 2 pens given to man u.
On March 06 2013 06:43 Patrio wrote: Holy shit there is a lot of but hurt United fans here.
Yes Nani's red was questionable (he did kick someone in the chest stud first mind you) but you fail to neglect the fact that Rafael stopped a goal with his arm a few minutes after. That is a red and a penalty right there.
Also disgraceful behavior from Fergie and Ferdinand
He probably saw it and tried to compensate for an undeserved red (refs do this a lot). Plus there was at least 1 penalty not called by the ref. He probably was consciously lax after the red because the match was gonna get out of his hands.
But the fact is that reds like this one change matches, and it was definitely a yellow because Nani didn't see and thus had no control over the situation. It just sucks, but that's football, this happens all the time.
RM didn't have a clear chance until Nani was sent off. Having more possession didn't mean they were playing better (see: Real vs Barca - 2nd leg Copa De Rey). The ref definitely ruined this game for everyone (maybe except for hardcore Real fans and MU haters). A red card is never necessary in higher caliber game unless it's a very serious foul.
A red in that situation would have only sufficed if Nani was intentionally on taking down Albeloa but he was obviously going for the ball (he wasn't even looking at Albeloa jumping toward him). Sure it was a high kick and all but there's no way in hell that's a red deserving foul.
Real is a better team, with better players but MU was playing a better game up to the red card.
Meh, it was a reckless challenge. He left the ground with both feet, had a leg high with the studs showing, and didn't win the ball. Personally I would have given a yellow, but I think that foul can merit a red, and as someone here mentioned, people have gotten reds for much less than that.
On March 06 2013 06:42 Kotreb wrote: well at least refs got the applause from ferdinand
Roy Keane, Man U hero has been saying in the analysis that he thinks it was a clear red card. Dangerous play. I can see his point, the general idea is that you shouldn't stick your foot up that high. Regardless of whether or not you intended to hurt the guy.
And the two goals from Madrid were quality, you can't downplay Modric's shot, it was incredible.
nowhere in the rule book does it say intent,just dangerous play is enough to give a red card to the player. i do not agree with the red,its still the rule.
On March 06 2013 06:47 Pandemona wrote: WTF Mourinho?
"The best team lost, im sorry. We didn't play well at all, the best team lost" .... walks out
WUT? Stop giving Mancs more reason to shout xD Guess he is the king of the trolls and that but still that was a bit over the top xD
He saw the match, stating the facts
On March 06 2013 06:48 sc4k wrote: Roy Keane, Man U hero has been saying in the analysis that he thinks it was a clear red card. Dangerous play. I can see his point, the general idea is that you shouldn't stick your foot up that high. Regardless of whether or not you intended to hurt the guy.
And the two goals from Madrid were quality, you can't downplay Modric's shot, it was incredible.
It was an amazing shot, of course, but maybe with 1 more man there, he wouldn't have had the space, MU defenders took a couple seconds before covering his space.
On March 06 2013 06:47 Ferrose wrote: Meh, it was a reckless challenge. He left the ground with both feet, had a leg high with the studs showing, and didn't win the ball. Personally I would have given a yellow, but I think that foul can merit a red, and as someone here mentioned, people have gotten reds for much less than that.
You missed the gif of him going up to ref after and shaking his hand like he his best friend. Fucking Ferdinand ;_;
Anyway, Modric changed the game when he came on. Fuck me, guy reminded us why Madrid bought him and why Chelsea (season before) wanted to pay so much for his services, absolutely destroyed united. His goal, world class, but his touches and passes he was wiping the floor with that Man Utd midfield. Touch of class he was.
On March 06 2013 06:48 sc4k wrote: Roy Keane, Man U hero has been saying in the analysis that he thinks it was a clear red card. Dangerous play. I can see his point, the general idea is that you shouldn't stick your foot up that high. Regardless of whether or not you intended to hurt the guy.
And the two goals from Madrid were quality, you can't downplay Modric's shot, it was incredible.
It was an amazing shot, of course, but maybe with 1 more man there, he wouldn't have had the space, MU defenders took a couple seconds before covering his space.
No way you can argue that the exact same thing "could not" happen if Nani was still on the pitch though. Modric changed the game, he could of done what he did with 11men on the ball with how well he was playing. Of course we will never know and United fans have all right to say that it wouldn't of happened if 11 men where on the field, but the 2 goals Madrid scored were undefendable...with 15 or 11men.
So well that red card was unfortunate for ManU and everyone but Madrid fans. But I think while it's harsh, but it's also justifiable. The whole "he didn't see him" talk going on, do you even know if this is in any way relevant to the rules (disclaimer: I don't know either way, but feel free to enlighten us) and not just how you feel it should be? As long as neither another ref says different nor he receives the absolute minimum ban, it's quite sure the right decision. Nani played with fire, now people complain he got burned.
On March 06 2013 06:50 Mafe wrote: So well that red card was unfortunate for ManU and everyone but Madrid fans. But I think while it's harsh, but it's also justifiable. The whole "he didn't see him" talk going on, do you even know if this is in any way relevant to the rules (disclaimer: I don't know either way, but feel free to enlighten us) and not just how you feel it should be? As long as neither another ref says different nor he receives the absolute minimum ban, it's quite sure the right decision. Nani played with fire, now people complain he got burned.
It's a question of criteria. I think he's clearly within the rulebook with that red, but in a high caliber match like that you don't red someone for an "accident", you just leave him with a yellow and a very short leash. Otherwise shit like this hits the fan.
the red card was quite questionable, but the two goals from RM were superb. considering that RM were the better team in the first leg as well, i think they did in fact deserve to go through.
On March 06 2013 06:50 Mafe wrote: So well that red card was unfortunate for ManU and everyone but Madrid fans. But I think while it's harsh, but it's also justifiable. The whole "he didn't see him" talk going on, do you even know if this is in any way relevant to the rules (disclaimer: I don't know either way, but feel free to enlighten us) and not just how you feel it should be? As long as neither another ref says different nor he receives the absolute minimum ban, it's quite sure the right decision. Nani played with fire, now people complain he got burned.
It's a question of criteria. I think he's clearly within the rulebook with that red, but in a high caliber match like that you don't red someone for an "accident", you just leave him with a yellow and a very short leash. Otherwise shit like this hits the fan.
Pretty much this. Besides, if we're gonna stick by rulebook than a shitload of challenges in every match should result in red, and not just talking about CL matches.
On March 06 2013 06:50 Mafe wrote: So well that red card was unfortunate for ManU and everyone but Madrid fans. But I think while it's harsh, but it's also justifiable. The whole "he didn't see him" talk going on, do you even know if this is in any way relevant to the rules (disclaimer: I don't know either way, but feel free to enlighten us) and not just how you feel it should be?
given that a high kick like that with nobody around won't give a booking, i would think it would somehow be dependent at least on some relation between two players. but exactly where the lines goes i am not sure. i would tend to think that the line between a foul and no foul goes a few notches higher than what the red card was given for.
it's not an outrageous decision, but i would be raging if it was my team on the business end of that call.