On March 06 2013 06:57 clementdudu wrote: keane chipping in the league argument we had on the football thread;) lots of hype over the pl,when spanish and german leagues are better/equal
Yes this has always been the case. And cards and penalties have a big part in that history as well. Of course, English teams normally aren't as good as german, italian and spanish teams.
PL has hype in part because of huge bucks, and in part because, even if big teams aren't THAT good, the league is BY FAR the most fun out of the big ones in europe, it's awesome, very few matches are boring to watch, and stadiums are always packed giving an amazing ambience.
Whatever you think of the refereeing,which I thought was alright,(apart from giving a red for hurting Arbeloa, which I can't quite understand, and which probably didn't happen to begin with) you have to admit Ferguson lost the tactical battle even before the red card. There were a few players who failed to make an impact all game long and a few others who simply ran out of steam early in the second half. Maybe the 1-0 lead made the Manu side feel way too good.
On March 06 2013 07:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Whatever you think of the refereeing,which I thought was alright,(apart from giving a red for hurting Arbeloa, which I can't quite understand, and which probably didn't happen to begin with) you have to admit Ferguson lost the tactical battle even before the red card. There were a few players who failed to make an impact all game long and a few others who simply ran out of steam early in the second half. Maybe the 1-0 lead made the Manu side feel way too good.
The beggining of the second half is usually the moment when the team that needs the goal the most pushes the hardest. Ferguson played a fine tactical game for the first half, had better chances, kept Madrid at bay, and after the initial storm in the second half I wouldn't have been surprised in a second ManU goal, or many many many awesome blocks by Diego Lopez, who was stellar.
In the last 10-12 mins, if you didn't watch the match, you wouldn't have known ManU was playing with 10.
On March 06 2013 07:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Whatever you think of the refereeing,which I thought was alright,(apart from giving a red for hurting Arbeloa, which I can't quite understand, and which probably didn't happen to begin with) you have to admit Ferguson lost the tactical battle even before the red card. There were a few players who failed to make an impact all game long and a few others who simply ran out of steam early in the second half. Maybe the 1-0 lead made the Manu side feel way too good.
I think you've been hit by the usual bias that forms after one side wins a contest. 60 minutes Utd defended well as a group and played well as a group and had Madrid well controlled.
With the unorthodox choices ferguson had out thought Mourinho. Then it all went to shit.
we were easily in control of the game up until the red
also a lot of people are blaming nani, Arbeola sees nani putting his foot up and see's nani is watching the ball and just RUNS into nanis foot.. wtf? why is everybody looking at it like Oh nani shouldnt be going for that ball, nani HAD the ball, it was dropping down to him and arbeloa just runs into him like a twat and gets nani sent off
also are all overhead kicks reds now because of a high foot? joke.
On March 06 2013 07:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Whatever you think of the refereeing,which I thought was alright,(apart from giving a red for hurting Arbeloa, which I can't quite understand, and which probably didn't happen to begin with) you have to admit Ferguson lost the tactical battle even before the red card. There were a few players who failed to make an impact all game long and a few others who simply ran out of steam early in the second half. Maybe the 1-0 lead made the Manu side feel way too good.
The beggining of the second half is usually the moment when the team that needs the goal the most pushes the hardest. Ferguson played a fine tactical game for the first half, had better chances, kept Madrid at bay, and after the initial storm in the second half I wouldn't have been surprised in a second ManU goal, or many many many awesome blocks by Diego Lopez, who was stellar.
In the last 10-12 mins, if you didn't watch the match, you wouldn't have known ManU was playing with 10.
Well to be fair with a 2-goal lead, Real could comfortably give the whole field for MU to do whatever the fuck they wanted as long as the ball was out of the net. The last 10 minutes of MU's pressure was obvious when Real had no motivation to keep their offense going on anymore.
It's funny how both teams own some of the best forwards in the world and it's the goalkeepers that took all of their credits by the end of the day.
On March 06 2013 07:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Whatever you think of the refereeing,which I thought was alright,(apart from giving a red for hurting Arbeloa, which I can't quite understand, and which probably didn't happen to begin with) you have to admit Ferguson lost the tactical battle even before the red card. There were a few players who failed to make an impact all game long and a few others who simply ran out of steam early in the second half. Maybe the 1-0 lead made the Manu side feel way too good.
The beggining of the second half is usually the moment when the team that needs the goal the most pushes the hardest. Ferguson played a fine tactical game for the first half, had better chances, kept Madrid at bay, and after the initial storm in the second half I wouldn't have been surprised in a second ManU goal, or many many many awesome blocks by Diego Lopez, who was stellar.
In the last 10-12 mins, if you didn't watch the match, you wouldn't have known ManU was playing with 10.
Well to be fair with a 2-goal lead, Real could comfortably give the whole field for MU to do whatever the fuck they wanted as long as the ball was out of the net. The last 10 minutes of MU's pressure was obvious when Real had no motivation to keep their offense going on anymore.
It's funny how both teams own some of the best forwards in the world and it's the goalkeepers that took all of their credits by the end of the day.
Hahahah I'd say it is unwise to give the ball to a team known for reversing a final in 2 mins, in theory the best plan in Madrid's situation is to get the ball, and keep it forever, pass back, to the sides, then back, then to the keeper, then get someone to the opposing corner and force corner kicks, etc.
Plus, if MU got that goal with the header by Carrick, suddenly the game becomes epic. Diego Lopez was the key to the match. Even more so than the terrible red.
On March 06 2013 07:11 ZeroChrome wrote: If this was a La Liga match and it was Pepe getting the red everybody would call him a monster and say good riddance as he serves his ban.
On March 06 2013 07:11 ZeroChrome wrote: If this was a La Liga match and it was Pepe getting the red everybody would call him a monster and say good riddance as he serves his ban.
I wasn't talkng about defence wise, and maybe I shouldn't have used plural when I only had 2 people in mind. Still I think lulling yourself after being 1-0 up against RM was a big mistake. Up until the goal ManU was way better. And thinking back on it,it's a clear red, there's just no way around it. First I thought it's a clear red if it's any higher than that but honestly it isn't any better if your foot is any lower either. Unlucky yes, but also unnecessary.
On March 06 2013 07:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Whatever you think of the refereeing,which I thought was alright,(apart from giving a red for hurting Arbeloa, which I can't quite understand, and which probably didn't happen to begin with) you have to admit Ferguson lost the tactical battle even before the red card. There were a few players who failed to make an impact all game long and a few others who simply ran out of steam early in the second half. Maybe the 1-0 lead made the Manu side feel way too good.
I think you've been hit by the usual bias that forms after one side wins a contest. 60 minutes Utd defended well as a group and played well as a group and had Madrid well controlled.
With the unorthodox choices ferguson had out thought Mourinho. Then it all went to shit.
Can you point a reputable source pointing that such bias exist? I'd like to read up on them.
On March 06 2013 07:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I wasn't talkng about defence wise, and maybe I shouldn't have used plural when I only had 2 people in mind. Still I think lulling yourself after being 1-0 up against RM was a big mistake. Up until the goal ManU was way better. And thinking back on it,it's a clear red, there's just no way around it. First I thought it's a clear red if it's any higher than that but honestly it isn't any better if your foot is any lower either. Unlucky yes, but also unnecessary.
It was criminally clever from Arbeloa as well. Unlike Nani who stretched his leg to get the ball, Arbeloa went full bodied into the challenge.
Man United are a great team but player for player Madrid are better. Going all out attack would have been suicide. Fergie did everything right in my opinion, but ultimately the decision changed the course of the game.
The referee had a choice to give a yellow or a red but chose a red card, mainly because of the assistant saying to give a red. That's football, that's the rules and it's dumb. Champions league let down once again. Too much at stake with dumb rules. I just don't get why people in football allow this to happen year after year after year. It makes me just wanna never watch football - which I probably won't for another 6 months, too many much better sports.
On March 06 2013 06:47 Ferrose wrote: Meh, it was a reckless challenge. He left the ground with both feet, had a leg high with the studs showing, and didn't win the ball. Personally I would have given a yellow, but I think that foul can merit a red, and as someone here mentioned, people have gotten reds for much less than that.
On March 06 2013 06:42 Kotreb wrote: well at least refs got the applause from ferdinand
You missed the gif of him going up to ref after and shaking his hand like he his best friend. Fucking Ferdinand ;_;
Anyway, Modric changed the game when he came on. Fuck me, guy reminded us why Madrid bought him and why Chelsea (season before) wanted to pay so much for his services, absolutely destroyed united. His goal, world class, but his touches and passes he was wiping the floor with that Man Utd midfield. Touch of class he was.
On March 06 2013 06:47 Pandemona wrote: WTF Mourinho?
"The best team lost, im sorry. We didn't play well at all, the best team lost" .... walks out
WUT? Stop giving Mancs more reason to shout xD Guess he is the king of the trolls and that but still that was a bit over the top xD
He saw the match, stating the facts
On March 06 2013 06:48 sc4k wrote: Roy Keane, Man U hero has been saying in the analysis that he thinks it was a clear red card. Dangerous play. I can see his point, the general idea is that you shouldn't stick your foot up that high. Regardless of whether or not you intended to hurt the guy.
And the two goals from Madrid were quality, you can't downplay Modric's shot, it was incredible.
It was an amazing shot, of course, but maybe with 1 more man there, he wouldn't have had the space, MU defenders took a couple seconds before covering his space.
No way you can argue that the exact same thing "could not" happen if Nani was still on the pitch though. Modric changed the game, he could of done what he did with 11men on the ball with how well he was playing. Of course we will never know and United fans have all right to say that it wouldn't of happened if 11 men where on the field, but the 2 goals Madrid scored were undefendable...with 15 or 11men.
What a load of crap. Modric came on when United had 10 men. And if Nani was still on the pitch, they wouldn't be compensating for being a man down. He would have been closed down a lot quicker and United wouldn't have been sitting so deep defending. Look at what happened after the two goals and United had to attack. Modric did hardly nothing and it was all United.
Modric didn't change the game when he came on. The ref changed the game when he sent Nani off.
On March 06 2013 07:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I wasn't talkng about defence wise, and maybe I shouldn't have used plural when I only had 2 people in mind. Still I think lulling yourself after being 1-0 up against RM was a big mistake. Up until the goal ManU was way better. And thinking back on it,it's a clear red, there's just no way around it. First I thought it's a clear red if it's any higher than that but honestly it isn't any better if your foot is any lower either. Unlucky yes, but also unnecessary.
Ok, but then give it also to Arbeloa for that challenge on Evra. He hit him right into the thigh with his foot, and it wasn't that he couldn't avoid that.
On March 06 2013 07:10 La1 wrote: also a lot of people are blaming nani, Arbeola sees nani putting his foot up and see's nani is watching the ball and just RUNS into nanis foot.. wtf? why is everybody looking at it like Oh nani shouldnt be going for that ball, nani HAD the ball, it was dropping down to him and arbeloa just runs into him like a twat and gets nani sent off
What is this rofl. Yes it was a bad call, stop blaming the players who had no control over it, should Arbeloa (who got to the ball first) just allowed Nani to take his touch and counter?
Calm down, I understand you're upset about a bullshit call but this is just ridiculous.