EPT2012 - 2013 Football Thread! - Page 59
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DragoonPK
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On August 24 2012 20:53 sc4k wrote: Fair point, he does fit well as a CB/RB backup. Aside from left back, it's going to be pretty hard to choose a Chelsea defensive player who's going to play in fantasy any given week lol. I think Porto just hates us?! Haha to true, i don't think Porto like us no more xD Robbed 2 managers and many a player and after more haha! Yeah, another good point. Ashley is only guranteed starter each week i think. Good competition, but a big headache for Robbie! I always put Ashley in my fantasy teams though xD guranteed points! | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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haitike
Spain2713 Posts
Are they neutral or partially neutral? I mean, in Spain the four main sport newspaper are pettry biased ("Marca" and "As" -> Madrid and in second place Atletico Madrid) ("Sport" and "Mundo Deportivo" -> Barcelona and in second place Espanyol). It is quite sad how much biased they are. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:46 haitike wrote: I have a question about sport/football newspapers in your countrys. Are they neutral or partially neutral? I mean, in Spain the four main sport newspaper are pettry biased ("Marca" and "As" -> Madrid and in second place Atletico Madrid) ("Sport" and "Mundo Deportivo" -> Barcelona and in second place Espanyol). It is quite sad how much biased they are. the UK ones seem to just kick anyone when they're down | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:46 haitike wrote: I have a question about sport/football newspapers in your countrys. Are they neutral or partially neutral? I mean, in Spain the four main sport newspaper are pettry biased ("Marca" and "As" -> Madrid and in second place Atletico Madrid) ("Sport" and "Mundo Deportivo" -> Barcelona and in second place Espanyol). It is quite sad how much biased they are. As far as I can tell, the only thing the UK press cares about is what sort of shit pun can you make out of the footballer's name, ie. 'Roo havin' a laugh?', 'Top Drog', or 'Barca in Messi situation' None of the big papers show any bias because they are national papers and don't want to lose readership. The papers in the UK are strictly divided by political leanings. Although, of course, being English papers they always make sure to laud the efforts of English teams in the ECL or the England team in the Euros. | ||
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Pads
England3228 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:09 Lyter wrote: Thats liverpool for ya, they need to get someone to look after the funds that knows something about football I'm fairly sure the high loan fee will have something to do with Xabi Alonso going to Liverpool next year on a free (Sahin is seen as a long term replacement at Madrid), we won't know until next season though. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 24 2012 18:10 Kotreb wrote: I don't know. I'm more inclined to believe that he is not that good goalkeeper. He has beastly protection up front and when he does get called to action it's not that big of a deal (if i'm wrong feel free to prove it, i'm just saying what i've saw). Personally i believe that Casillas, Reina, de Gea and Alves are better goalkeepers (i put de Gea here because he also sometimes can have brainfarts like Valdes, but i think he has much better reflexes and is generally better shot stopper, just give him time to develop even more) so i'm a bit baffled why does he get called up to representation so much, except the fact that he is Barca keeper. So If I start showing you Casillas, Reina and Alves gaffes that outnumber his would that make him a better keeper ? No As for playing against a "beastly" defense. Barca have barely been the way they are for what 4 years now ? Valdez has seen through alot of shitty defenses and done reasonably well. Certainly well enough to be forgiven for this. And believe me there were some really bad defenses. Not going to bother to try to prove you wrong because theres literally zero ways to do it aside from telling you that you are. | ||
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Mavkar
Germany592 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:46 haitike wrote: I have a question about sport/football newspapers in your countrys. Are they neutral or partially neutral? I mean, in Spain the four main sport newspaper are pettry biased ("Marca" and "As" -> Madrid and in second place Atletico Madrid) ("Sport" and "Mundo Deportivo" -> Barcelona and in second place Espanyol). It is quite sad how much biased they are. In Germany we have the magazine 'kicker', they are pretty close to Bayern München. Of course Bayern was the club where the most stuff happened in the last decades, so maybe it's just natural. In the last years a new magazine emerged '11 Freunde', focussing alot more on football culture. I guess you could say they have a close bond to all traditional 'worker clubs' like Schalke, Dortmund etc. The sole german Sports only TV Channel 'Sport 1' is basicly sucking Bayerns tits. It gets really annoying when in the biggest german football talk the only topic is Bayern despite big events for other clubs. On 2 hours broadcast it's like 1:30h Bayern, 30 minutes everything else. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
I knew JT was hurt against Reading, dammit! He is facing a late fitness test for Saturdays game vs Newcastle. Luiz is fit though so we have Cahill and Luiz more than likely being CBs for the game. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:46 haitike wrote: I have a question about sport/football newspapers in your countrys. Are they neutral or partially neutral? I mean, in Spain the four main sport newspaper are pettry biased ("Marca" and "As" -> Madrid and in second place Atletico Madrid) ("Sport" and "Mundo Deportivo" -> Barcelona and in second place Espanyol). It is quite sad how much biased they are. Here there's only one newspaper trying to play neutral, all the others are affiliated towards a team. But I don't like the neutral one, cause I know that the editors and journalists are just suppresing their inner fan and are writing fake stuff to promote their ''objectivism''. So I stick to my biased towads Olympiakos paper. xD | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:12 Sated wrote: So you'll have one centre-back against Newcastle? *trollface* No the other CB we have is playing RB in Ivanovic xD so we will have 2 on the pitch :3 Better than having CMs playing there.... :D | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
They seem to just hate every club from what I can tell, mostly the top 4 though, any 'scandals' regarding the players and the papers are all over it | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
England boss Roy Hodgson has confirmed John Terry will be selected for next month's World Cup qualifying double-header against Moldova and Ukraine. Lol well thats obvious no? Don't understand why this is news xD Source Wenger targets something special Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger insists if the club conduct any more transfer activity it will only be for a 'special player' as the window reaches its conclusion. He thinks his squad is good enough Source | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:39 Rebs wrote: So If I start showing you Casillas, Reina and Alves gaffes that outnumber his would that make him a better keeper ? No As for playing against a "beastly" defense. Barca have barely been the way they are for what 4 years now ? Valdez has seen through alot of shitty defenses and done reasonably well. Certainly well enough to be forgiven for this. And believe me there were some really bad defenses. Not going to bother to try to prove you wrong because theres literally zero ways to do it aside from telling you that you are. Err what? I'm saying they are better goalkeepers because i think they are better, they prevent goals in situations where Valdes usually concedes goals (again, from what i've seen) and i'm not basing my decision on his recent blunder (as you can see where i've compared him to de Gea). I'm not saying he's a shitty/bad goalkeeper, but i do say he's not that good as other people may think and good enough to represent spain. And please explain your last words...i can't understand what you meant. Aside from telling me that i'm what? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:25 Kotreb wrote: Err what? I'm saying they are better goalkeepers because i think they are better, they prevent goals in situations where Valdes usually concedes goals (again, from what i've seen) and i'm not basing my decision on his recent blunder (as you can see where i've compared him to de Gea). I'm not saying he's a shitty/bad goalkeeper, but i do say he's not that good as other people may think and good enough to represent spain. And please explain your last words...i can't understand what you meant. Aside from telling me that i'm what? Valdez is actually pretty clutch, the rare occasion he does get called on its because Barcelona has been caught badly out of position and the other team has very clear goal scoring oppurtunities. And he has a pretty good rate that considered because most teams do get atleast 1-2 very very good chances every game. Early on in his career he was a real weak link, not so much now. Your saying he concedes from situations people better than him save. Im saying that its the other way around. The only realistic way I can make that argument is simply by telling you are wrong and that you take my word for it. Or you could accept I watch more la liga and consider that a good reason to believe me. But again all of that is pointless. Even posting highlight vids would lack context and isnt really a good way to say how good someone is. For lack of a better option though here. + Show Spoiler + So aside from telling you that you are wrong there isnt any tangible way to prove you wrong, atleast not one that would require more effort than I give a shit to make. So its rather pointless to challenge someone to do it. The general consensus is that hes a top goal keeper. A gaffe here or there is an occurrence all top keepers with long careers have to deal with. Rating him lower because you happened to see it recently and its fresh in your mind is rather narrow, because to me thats what seems like what your doing even if you disclaimered it. De Gea may or may not be better than him in the future but his ability to read the game is not even close, shot stopping not quite there but could be, handling and distribution will probably not ever come even close. O and Valdez is probably the only genuine sweeper keeper in the game. Hes the third best keeper from Spain, that is fact. Infact I think between him and Reina there isnt much of a gap if at all, infact recently hes been better but thats just me. Casillas is undeniably better. But the 2 guys behind him barring a few exceptions would be number ones most other team's in the world. Finally heres some food for thought. I love how theres this thing where some people call Barca's defense shit but then there's also that little caveat that Valdez isnt a great keeper from others. So all those clean sheets and Zamora trophies just happen because they keep hold of the ball so much. The counter intutiveness should frankly slap anyone who thinks about it in the face, atleast one of the two has to be performing at a high level, even if people arent willing to admit its both. + Show Spoiler + http://notbottomline.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/is-spains-number-1-also-spains-best-goalkeeper/ | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:50 Rebs wrote: Valdez is actually pretty clutch, the rare occasions he does get called on its because Barcelona has been caught badly out of position and the other team has very clear goal scoring oppurtunities. And he has a pretty good rate that considered because most teams do get atleast 1-2 very very good chances every game. Early on in his career he was a real weak link, not so much now. Your saying he concedes from situations people better than him save. Im saying that its the other way around. The only realistic way I can make that argument is simply by telling you are wrong and that you take my word for it. Or you could accept I watch more la liga and consider that a good reason to believe me. But again all of that is pointless. Even posting highlight vids would lack context and isnt really a good way to say how good someone is. For lack of a better option though here. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gswiev_JjqM&feature=related So aside from telling you are wrong there isnt any tangible way to prove you wrong, atleast not one that would require more effort than I give a shit to make. So its rather pointless to challenge someone to do it. The general consensus is that hes a top goal keeper. A gaffe here or there is an occurrence all top keepers with long careers have to deal with. Rating him lower because you happened to see it recently and its fresh in your mind is rather narrow, because to me thats what seems like what your doing even if you disclaimered it. De Gea may or may not be better than him in the future but his ability to read the game is not even close, shot stopping not quite there but could be, handling and distribution will probably not ever come even close. O and Valdez is probably the only genuine sweeper keeper in the game. Hes the third best keeper from Spain, that is fact. Infact I think between him and Reina there isnt much of a gap if at all. Casillas is undeniably better. But the 2 guys behind him barring a few exceptions would be number ones in almost every other team in the world. Finally heres some food for thought.. + Show Spoiler + http://notbottomline.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/is-spains-number-1-also-spains-best-goalkeeper/ I would semi-disagree with you on first paragraph. Opposing teams do get 1-2 chances against barca per game but i wouldn't say that they are very very good. There are some pretty good ones, but there are some semi chances (shots from out wide etc.) We obviously disagree on part about saving opportunities. So basically you're saying that saves Valdes makes Casillas/Reina/de Gea... couldn't make? Unless you're having in mind all la liga gk's but then this makes little sense since i'm comparing top gk's and you would compare all the gk's (bad,mediocre,top). So i'm guessing you do mean only top gk's, but in that case it just doesn't make sense to me, like stated before. It is most likely that you watch more la liga games but unless you're focused most of the time on barca (valdes in this case) it doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of knowledge. For example, if one person looks at a lot of movies it doesn't necessarily make him movie expert, right? If you are focused mostly on barca then it would mean that either you are their fan or you are person whose work is closely or directly related to football and you're researching their style of play and players. Since you never mentioned (at least from what i've saw) that you are working as football coach/manager/closely related to that i'm gonna exclude that option which leaves us that you maybe are just fan which then makes this discussion rather pointless (from obvious reasons). Note that i'm not calling you barca fan boy, i'm just stating two possibilities: either you are fan or that amount of games one watches does not make him more competent/ bring knowledge to talk about something. Yes, general consensus is that he's top gk, but general consensus and personal opinion are two very different things as i'm sure you undoubtedly know. We absolutely agree that every keeper has gaffes here and there, but my opinion on him is not based on his recent one. I had that opinion about him for a longer period of time and i'm bringing it now since there was discussion here about him. You can, like you said, take my word for it or ignore it since there's no real way to prove it, but i doubt either of us care. De Gea is still very young and i wouldn't make such predictions yet, but only time will tell. And i see no point here about him being the only sweeper keeper. We do agree though about gk ranking in national team. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
You will see a very very strong pattern emerging, usually involving Danny Alvez being a cunt and getting caught wayyy out of position or Pique deciding he wants to play left win or upfront. No I didnt say he would make saves they cant make. Im saying he makes them more frequently, mostly because he has to. Let me repeat that the first 2-3 years in his career he would probably give De Gea a run for clangers and just general bad keeping sense but his improvement since for whatever reasons has been absurd. I dont see the point in explaining in such depth why watching alot of football means little because I already stated that its irrelevant and not really a sound argument. On August 25 2012 01:50 Rebs wrote: . The only realistic way I can make that argument is simply by telling you are wrong and that you take my word for it. Or you could accept I watch more la liga and consider that a good reason to believe me. But again all of that is pointless. As for Barca, If we talk about Madrid Ill talk about Madrid, or anything else really. It just so happens that Barca gets talked about alot more and is a really polarizing team when it comes to opinions. Also by general consensus I dont just mean people, I mean pundits (who ofcourse ones takes with a grain of salt at times) but you will be hard pressed to find one who doesnt consider him one of the best keepers in the world. As for their being a difference between an opinion and a consensus, usually its the latter that holds more weight if enough respectable smart people agree on it, its probably right. A personal opinion while respectable doesnt quite cut it sadly.Especially when the only thing that support that opinion is something to the effect of "thats just how I feel" if I may be so bold as to paraphrase the sentiment. On August 24 2012 18:10 Kotreb wrote: I don't know. I'm more inclined to believe that he is not that good goalkeeper. Also saying from what you've seen that he doesnt make very many saves other good keepers make just means you havent seen very much.You dont need an expert to be able to distinguish how difficult the saves they make and the saves he makes are. Again I encourage you read the article and maybe present an argument as to why you think hes not a great goalkeeper. Otherwise in the absence of sound reasoning (or hell in this case any reasoning) an opinion is pretty worthless. Also if you dont value sweeper keeper qualities ask Arsenal fans about how they cringe everytime Szczeny has to distribute. Its a huge momentum killer and something Barca in particular relies on heavily. You asked someone to prove you wrong, here Im doing it. Prove yourself right because frankly all youve presented is that hes not good and he gets called up because he plays for Barca + Show Spoiler + (whose defense people here think is pretty bad aswell another view that is pretty misplaced frankly but fuck that). | ||
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