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On February 28 2012 00:27 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 00:46 Luxae wrote:
Look into liquid chalk, Deadeight. I haven't had any experience with it myself, but I've heard it's as useful as actual chalk and obviously not as messy. I'd like to thank you again for this post. Using it today on deadlift was amazing, couldn't believe my grip. Grip strength as it turns out really isn't an issue for me as long as I'm using it, was limited only in all the places I should be. I used to use a powerball a lot so I guess that helped. If anyone else isn't allowed to use chalk at their gym I recommend liquid chalk. Just use lots of water to get it off, it's quite easy to dissolve it all in water then as your hands dry the chalk comes out again.
I would like to ask what brand of liquid chalk your using and where it is available to purchase. Right now I just use regular chalk, not allowed, but just run into locker room and put it on in there before a heavy dead lift. But im interested in definitely trying liquid chalk.
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On February 28 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 00:27 Deadeight wrote:On February 18 2012 00:46 Luxae wrote:
Look into liquid chalk, Deadeight. I haven't had any experience with it myself, but I've heard it's as useful as actual chalk and obviously not as messy. I'd like to thank you again for this post. Using it today on deadlift was amazing, couldn't believe my grip. Grip strength as it turns out really isn't an issue for me as long as I'm using it, was limited only in all the places I should be. I used to use a powerball a lot so I guess that helped. If anyone else isn't allowed to use chalk at their gym I recommend liquid chalk. Just use lots of water to get it off, it's quite easy to dissolve it all in water then as your hands dry the chalk comes out again. I would like to ask what brand of liquid chalk your using and where it is available to purchase. Right now I just use regular chalk, not allowed, but just run into locker room and put it on in there before a heavy dead lift. But im interested in definitely trying liquid chalk.
Well, I'm from the UK and just used amazon.co.uk. Ran a search for "liquid chalk". Mine is made by "mega grip" and it gives a site: www.megagrip.co.uk
I see you're from Canada so not sure how helpful that is. I ran a search on amazon.com and it came up with sharpies and stuff, got a few results with "liquid chalk weight" though.
Maybe an NA TLer might be able to give you better advice.
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On February 28 2012 03:08 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote:On February 28 2012 00:27 Deadeight wrote:On February 18 2012 00:46 Luxae wrote:
Look into liquid chalk, Deadeight. I haven't had any experience with it myself, but I've heard it's as useful as actual chalk and obviously not as messy. I'd like to thank you again for this post. Using it today on deadlift was amazing, couldn't believe my grip. Grip strength as it turns out really isn't an issue for me as long as I'm using it, was limited only in all the places I should be. I used to use a powerball a lot so I guess that helped. If anyone else isn't allowed to use chalk at their gym I recommend liquid chalk. Just use lots of water to get it off, it's quite easy to dissolve it all in water then as your hands dry the chalk comes out again. I would like to ask what brand of liquid chalk your using and where it is available to purchase. Right now I just use regular chalk, not allowed, but just run into locker room and put it on in there before a heavy dead lift. But im interested in definitely trying liquid chalk. Well, I'm from the UK and just used amazon.co.uk. Ran a search for "liquid chalk". Mine is made by "mega grip" and it gives a site: www.megagrip.co.ukI see you're from Canada so not sure how helpful that is. I ran a search on amazon.com and it came up with sharpies and stuff, got a few results with "liquid chalk weight" though. Maybe an NA TLer might be able to give you better advice.
I've found some similar alternatives on amazon.ca only other real question is how long is this gunna last. It seems pretty small for the price and I don't know if I want to have to buy it every month or so haha.
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On February 28 2012 00:27 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 00:46 Luxae wrote:
Look into liquid chalk, Deadeight. I haven't had any experience with it myself, but I've heard it's as useful as actual chalk and obviously not as messy. I'd like to thank you again for this post. Using it today on deadlift was amazing, couldn't believe my grip. Grip strength as it turns out really isn't an issue for me as long as I'm using it, was limited only in all the places I should be. I used to use a powerball a lot so I guess that helped. If anyone else isn't allowed to use chalk at their gym I recommend liquid chalk. Just use lots of water to get it off, it's quite easy to dissolve it all in water then as your hands dry the chalk comes out again.
Glad to hear it worked out well!
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On February 28 2012 01:26 Deadeight wrote:
Yeah, what's everyone's opinion on benching with dumbbells vs a barbell? Purely for rugby performance really. I've always done it with dumbbells as I was once told it works more of the small muscles, and I just found it more comfortable. I'm on 37.5kg for 5x5, sometimes doing a set with the 40kg dumbbells. Sometimes do incline and decline when my friends do it.
Switching it up is the best way to do it. One month this, one month that, I did incline dumbbell press for a long time, and when I switched back to bench-press it was 20lb higher. I'm not expert and I'm doing 215lb for 3-4 reps, but it's what I've heard from a lot of the gym regulars too.
In the end they are very similar, once you're at the high weights it's easy to lose a lot of energy bringing the dumbbells up, and I think doing regular bench-press will put on more size for your chest, but people underestimate the importance of the little stabilizer muscles.
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On February 28 2012 01:26 Deadeight wrote:
Yeah, what's everyone's opinion on benching with dumbbells vs a barbell? Purely for rugby performance really. I've always done it with dumbbells as I was once told it works more of the small muscles, and I just found it more comfortable. I'm on 37.5kg for 5x5, sometimes doing a set with the 40kg dumbbells. Sometimes do incline and decline when my friends do it.
I would say barbell > dumbbell. You are in the gym to get stronger for rugby, so lifting heavier things will be more effective. You could work with dumbbells after your main workout if you feel like it works too.
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On February 28 2012 03:15 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 03:08 Deadeight wrote:On February 28 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote:On February 28 2012 00:27 Deadeight wrote:On February 18 2012 00:46 Luxae wrote:
Look into liquid chalk, Deadeight. I haven't had any experience with it myself, but I've heard it's as useful as actual chalk and obviously not as messy. I'd like to thank you again for this post. Using it today on deadlift was amazing, couldn't believe my grip. Grip strength as it turns out really isn't an issue for me as long as I'm using it, was limited only in all the places I should be. I used to use a powerball a lot so I guess that helped. If anyone else isn't allowed to use chalk at their gym I recommend liquid chalk. Just use lots of water to get it off, it's quite easy to dissolve it all in water then as your hands dry the chalk comes out again. I would like to ask what brand of liquid chalk your using and where it is available to purchase. Right now I just use regular chalk, not allowed, but just run into locker room and put it on in there before a heavy dead lift. But im interested in definitely trying liquid chalk. Well, I'm from the UK and just used amazon.co.uk. Ran a search for "liquid chalk". Mine is made by "mega grip" and it gives a site: www.megagrip.co.ukI see you're from Canada so not sure how helpful that is. I ran a search on amazon.com and it came up with sharpies and stuff, got a few results with "liquid chalk weight" though. Maybe an NA TLer might be able to give you better advice. I've found some similar alternatives on amazon.ca only other real question is how long is this gunna last. It seems pretty small for the price and I don't know if I want to have to buy it every month or so haha.
Well I guess look at the volume. A teaspoon is 5ml, and I'd say I used that or less for one workout, and it stayed there. My bottle is 250ml so that give me at worst 50 dead lift workouts from it.
My friend borrowed some and used way too much and had completely white hands and it wasn't any better. Work out how long the pot would last from that and see if it's a reasonable price. Mine worked out for the whole pot to be less than an hours worth of wages from the summer which is I think will turn out to be good value for money.
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@ sJarl, FiWiFaKi, DumSum
Thanks for the advice. Maybe I'll try out bench press with the bar next time. If it goes fine I'll do a month of using it (provided queues for a cage aren't too bad...).
Maybe it'll help me move up weight, I feel like I've been floating around at 37.5-40kg dumbbells a long time.
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Benching for rugby pretty overrated IMO, I have done strictly squats + clean and jerks + snatches for the last 14 months (no benching) and i feel much better on the field than before. A lot of your force comes from your legs and core so that should be your primary focus.
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On February 28 2012 03:58 Deadeight wrote:
@ sJarl, FiWiFaKi, DumSum
Thanks for the advice. Maybe I'll try out bench press with the bar next time. If it goes fine I'll do a month of using it (provided queues for a cage aren't too bad...).
Maybe it'll help me move up weight, I feel like I've been floating around at 37.5-40kg dumbbells a long time.
Stalling happens earlier on dumbbells, exactly because it uses those little stabiliser muscles. You should move up pretty quickly right when you get back to barbell, but I don't know if it will do so well transferring back the other direction.
Either way, just do some pressing, and focus on it in the vertical direction. Bench press isn't the best assistance workout for rugby anyway - much better to do your OHP, push press, or jerks for shoulder strength, and then worry more about your legs and back (squats, deads, cleans, chinups, and rows). I suppose that mindset comes from me being a second row though?
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On February 28 2012 04:22 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 03:58 Deadeight wrote:
@ sJarl, FiWiFaKi, DumSum
Thanks for the advice. Maybe I'll try out bench press with the bar next time. If it goes fine I'll do a month of using it (provided queues for a cage aren't too bad...).
Maybe it'll help me move up weight, I feel like I've been floating around at 37.5-40kg dumbbells a long time. Stalling happens earlier on dumbbells, exactly because it uses those little stabiliser muscles. You should move up pretty quickly right when you get back to barbell, but I don't know if it will do so well transferring back the other direction. Either way, just do some pressing, and focus on it in the vertical direction. Bench press isn't the best assistance workout for rugby anyway - much better to do your OHP, push press, or jerks for shoulder strength, and then worry more about your legs and back (squats, deads, cleans, chinups, and rows). I suppose that mindset comes from me being a second row though?
Meh i play center and i feel the same way. Rucking, tackling, mauling, and running are what you do 95% of the time and none of those incorporate benching muscles very much.
Although i did play some second row yesterday in our scrimmage (luckily scrums were uncontested). I must say i enjoy flanker thoroughly more, it's always hard to be in good offensive positions following scrums and line outs as a second row. I had a lovely time running over some kids and a few sidesteps to make people look bad though :D
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Great training today
speed work: from deficit with band
275x3,3,3,3 (w/ light band)
Stability ball GHR: 5x6,8,7,4,5
Kroc rows: 160x5x6,6,6,6,6
Ab wheel (knee) x100 20,20,20,20,20
Back extensions: 30+micro x 15, 30+mini x 10, 45+mini x10, 45+micro+mini x10
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Zurich15359 Posts
How do rests between sets affect your workout? I haven't really thought about it so far. I believe I read in SS to rest between 2 and 6 minutes, which is already quite a span. I normally give myself 4 minutes. If I rest longer the next set is definitely a lot easier. How does it affect strength gaining and progress?
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If strength is your primary objective, don't bother with rest period. Take the time needed to increase weight and do more reps (talking about primary lift here, not assistance work).
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On February 27 2012 22:01 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 17:49 emjaytron wrote:On February 27 2012 09:02 AoN.DimSum wrote:
you know looks have nothing to do with how strong you are... Unfortunately they do to an extent. Force generation is pretty much dependent on muscle physiological cross sectional area and nervous system recruitment. So you can only get so far without size. You can get pretty far without size People int he 60kg weight class for Olympic weightlifting put up nearly 3x their bodyweight clean and jerks. That 180kg for clean and jerk. Likewise, with snatch it's over 2.25x their bodyweight. But yes, generally you want both
technically then we aren't just talking strength. there is a huge power component to oly lifts. Not to mention technique. I think this has drifted away a bit from talking about Idra - the bar speed in his benchpress is quite slow, so it's just a strength issue.
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Yeah I agree, I'm not a fan of second row. Luckily we have some really tall second rows and I'm 6ft2, so never get put there. I only ever play no.8, love being able to break off the scrum and get out quickly.
I'm going to the gym 5 days a week (Edit: mon-fri) and there's only so much squatting etc I can do, need to rest. I enjoy it as a break from doing equations all the time. I think bench is ok, but I tend to prioritise squats > dead lift > military press > bench press/dumbell rows for the big things. Still doing my plancks and stuff in the mornings, a habit from a previous sport.
I guess as well if chest isn't turning out all that useful I'd be better off with a barbell just to get the benefits of muscle growth there; as I understand it building muscle in one area promotes muscle growth all over due to hormones etc right?
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On February 28 2012 07:23 zatic wrote:
How do rests between sets affect your workout? I haven't really thought about it so far. I believe I read in SS to rest between 2 and 6 minutes, which is already quite a span. I normally give myself 4 minutes. If I rest longer the next set is definitely a lot easier. How does it affect strength gaining and progress?
If I remember correctly I read in one of the many researches Martin Berkman posts that up to 4-5 mins rest increases performance in the next set compared to less rest. After that there wasn't a significant difference. I usually take about 3-4 mins as well, or just until I feel ready again, between heavy worksets on deadlift and squat.
Unrelated to lifting but I just got confirmation on an internship with Lockheed in Texas for 6 months starting this summer :D Too bad I'm on a deload week I'm so happy I could probably bang out a few PRs  .
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On February 28 2012 08:29 Logros wrote:
Unrelated to lifting but I just got confirmation on an internship with Lockheed in Texas for 6 months starting this summer :D
Congrats, that's an awesome company to get one with. Bet it'd be really interesting too.
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thedeadhaji
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Today:
Squat: 340lbs: 5-4-3(PR)
OHP: 120lbs: 5-4-2 (al;ksd'fjoais;dfja;lksdfjlka;sdjflaksdjflk;asjdf laksdjf laks;df as)
Chinups: 6-5-3
Summary: it helps to eat before lifting.
Summary2: It doesn't help to eat a shitton before lifting.
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On February 28 2012 16:46 thedeadhaji wrote:
Today:
Squat: 340lbs: 5-4-3(PR)
OHP: 120lbs: 5-4-2 (al;ksd'fjoais;dfja;lksdfjlka;sdjflaksdjflk;asjdf laksdjf laks;df as)
Chinups: 6-5-3
Summary: it helps to eat before lifting.
Summary2: It doesn't help to eat a shitton before lifting.
I admire your never-ending patience with sticking to the 3x5 rep scheme, regardless of how many reps you get in.
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