(This is just the moment for the weight on the right plus the moment for the bar and subtracting the moment of the weight on the left. If the bar is to the left of the pivot then b-a is a negative number.)
Now, assuming that W1 = W2 (i.e. that you have put the same weight on both sides):
This final expression only depends on the difference between b-a, and not their magnitudes.
So if b=22 and a=20, it's the same as if b=12 and a=10. It doesn't matter how far the weight is away, all that matter is how far off centre the bar is.
Also note the expression depends on not only the weight of the bar but the weight of the plates, so more weight is harder to to compensate for if off centre (this shouldn't be a surprise), but still does not matter if it is correctly centred.
scratch that, holy shit i didn't realize how irrelevant this vid is lol. i swear i remember a similar youtube vid that explains why..i'll find it later
nvm..i forgot i was just trying to make a point of lifting off just in my gym. it's so awkward to liftoff by yourself with these deep hooks we have. can't concentrate after a workout, sry for the confusion i may have caused
On February 22 2012 07:15 FFGenerations wrote: i wanted to ask that, i often decline (or dont ask for) a "liftoff" and often only ask for a spot for one set. this is because i dont workout with anyone , sometimes there isnt anyone to ask, or im reluctant to ask if someone looks like a jackass or newbie. (also if my first set goes well i try and do the rest without help). so im wondering if you guys doing bench are the same or do you always have a spotter and always have help lifting off or whatever its called?
I always have spotters for my top-sets at Bench Press. When benching, a big amount of energy is wasted when you take the weight out of the rack and get the barbell into position. For me, this easily makes a difference of two reps (i.e. 3 instead of 5), plus a more solid position on the bench, which is harder to maintain if you have to get the weight out of the rack by yourself. Obviously this depends a bit on the quality of the bench, as in how high you have to lift the weight to get them off the pins.
If absolutely noone is around who could spot me, I do higher rep sets with a lower weight or do Overhead Press for the week. It is really important in my opinion and you should always get someone. Just make totally clear what you want from them (no help with the reps, no forced negatives, exactly 5 reps, etc.).
On February 22 2012 07:15 FFGenerations wrote: i wanted to ask that, i often decline (or dont ask for) a "liftoff" and often only ask for a spot for one set. this is because i dont workout with anyone , sometimes there isnt anyone to ask, or im reluctant to ask if someone looks like a jackass or newbie. (also if my first set goes well i try and do the rest without help). so im wondering if you guys doing bench are the same or do you always have a spotter and always have help lifting off or whatever its called?
I always have spotters for my top-sets at Bench Press. When benching, a big amount of energy is wasted when you take the weight out of the rack and get the barbell into position. For me, this easily makes a difference of two reps (i.e. 3 instead of 5), plus a more solid position on the bench, which is harder to maintain if you have to get the weight out of the rack by yourself. Obviously this depends a bit on the quality of the bench, as in how high you have to lift the weight to get them off the pins.
If absolutely noone is around who could spot me, I do higher rep sets with a lower weight or do Overhead Press for the week. It is really important in my opinion and you should always get someone. Just make totally clear what you want from them (no help with the reps, no forced negatives, exactly 5 reps, etc.).
Same here, people are very good at following instructions most of the time. You just have to apologize in advance with a smile on patronizing them on how to help you
On February 21 2012 11:10 Mementoss wrote: Hey guys, I just have a question regarding Strong lifts. I've been doing it for a while and am at the point where I'm at 1X5 work sets. Does this still mean I should be doing 4 warm up sets, I have been. But was not sure how many reps to do on warm up, I've just been doing 4 sets of 5 rep warm up. Any clarification would be nice thanks.
Post what you do in an actual routine
For Squat, Deadlift, OHP day I would: Squat, 135X5, 185X5, 205X5, 225X5, 245X5 (Work set). On a deload I'd take all the warmups down accordingly. Deadlift, 135X5 135X5 185X5 225X5 305X5 (Work set). OHP, (95X5) X 4, 115X5 (Work set)
For Squat, Bench, Row day I would: Same squat. Bench (135X5)X2 (145X2)X2 170X5 (Work Set) Row (135X5)X4 165X5 (Work Set)
For most of the above I tend to keep my warmup sets with 45,35,25 plates so it's easy to remember and doesn't take long to add load on. This is why my OHP warmup looks/is stupid. Occasionally I'll take the preloaded barbells for OHP but it just doesn't feel the same.
Don't count warm ups..... Do heavier work sets.
The reason why you're not making progress is because your warming up and tiring yourself with weights that are easy. Then when you do your work set you're only doing one.
For squat you should do something like:
135x5 185x3
Then work sets would be like this is pyramidal 215x5 225x5 235x5 245x5 255x5
Or just 235/245 5x5 or however many you can rep up at that weight
I am Still getting progress, I was just curious to if I was to warm up with too high weight it might affect my work set. I will try what you are saying though for the warm up and see how it works.
On February 22 2012 05:29 Osmoses wrote: I didn't come to the gym to make conversation. If someone asks me to rotate, I'll rotate, and if I wanna use the squat rack I will ask how many sets the guy has left, but I'd rather shut up and lift without someone tapping their foot behind me waiting for their turn.
Once I was in the shower while my gym was renovating it and there were no stalls. This old guy comes in after me, gets in the shower immediately to my right and starts talking about the weather. I feel I should have been within my rights to kill him. You do not speak in the men's room and you do not speak in the showers. That's against the CODE goddamnit!
lighten up.
haha I have to agree.
I went through US Air Force boot camp and we would talk in the showers all the time together. We weren't gay. We just talked to each other like a brotherly bond type thing. It's not like he was trying to look at your penis in the shower while asking about the weather... or was he?
On February 22 2012 04:41 Deadeight wrote: Why is it awkward to talk to people?
If someone asks me how many sets I've got left if I'm by myself I offer to let them to rotate in. If it's someone squatting by themselves I will ask to rotate in, people don't mind. If you skip ahead of people waiting without realising, they will tell you they were waiting, and you do the same if you're in their position.
These are only dilemmas for people who can't talk.
I didn't come to the gym to make conversation. If someone asks me to rotate, I'll rotate, and if I wanna use the squat rack I will ask how many sets the guy has left, but I'd rather shut up and lift without someone tapping their foot behind me waiting for their turn.
Once I was in the shower while my gym was renovating it and there were no stalls. This old guy comes in after me, gets in the shower immediately to my right and starts talking about the weather. I feel I should have been within my rights to kill him. You do not speak in the men's room and you do not speak in the showers. That's against the CODE goddamnit!
On February 22 2012 05:29 Osmoses wrote: I didn't come to the gym to make conversation. If someone asks me to rotate, I'll rotate, and if I wanna use the squat rack I will ask how many sets the guy has left, but I'd rather shut up and lift without someone tapping their foot behind me waiting for their turn.
Once I was in the shower while my gym was renovating it and there were no stalls. This old guy comes in after me, gets in the shower immediately to my right and starts talking about the weather. I feel I should have been within my rights to kill him. You do not speak in the men's room and you do not speak in the showers. That's against the CODE goddamnit!
lighten up.
haha I have to agree.
I went through US Air Force boot camp and we would talk in the showers all the time together. We weren't gay. We just talked to each other like a brotherly bond type thing. It's not like he was trying to look at your penis in the shower while asking about the weather... or was he?
lol, that's a point. If I was in the shower with a load of hot women first off I think they would tell pretty quickly I was attracted to them (being naked and all) and I don't think I would be able to casually talk about the weather.
I'm sure Osmoses didn't mean it in that way though.
EDIT: @Raidern, are swedes known for being anti-social or something?
i think a lot of europeans are thought of as antisocial . northern brits, usa, spanish and some blacks are social by contrast. id love to live with some americans or blacks to learn their social skillz . i love being fun and outgoing and happy, i just dont know how to do it or instigate it lul
On February 22 2012 10:47 FFGenerations wrote: i think a lot of europeans are thought of as antisocial . northern brits, usa, spanish and some blacksare social by contrast. id love to live with some americans or blacksto learn their social skillz . i love being fun and outgoing and happy, i just dont know how to do it or instigate it lul
I'm trying to understand this post. What kind of blacks? African American blacks? That would put them under Americans if those are the ones you are referring to.
On February 22 2012 07:15 FFGenerations wrote: i wanted to ask that, i often decline (or dont ask for) a "liftoff" and often only ask for a spot for one set. this is because i dont workout with anyone , sometimes there isnt anyone to ask, or im reluctant to ask if someone looks like a jackass or newbie. (also if my first set goes well i try and do the rest without help). so im wondering if you guys doing bench are the same or do you always have a spotter and always have help lifting off or whatever its called?
oh god asking random people to spot for you...
90% of the time they keep their hands on the bar the whole time. When they don't, they don't give you a lift off. When you ask for a lift off, they take it to mean they should keep their hands on the bar the whole time.
I don't understand the hate for people leaving their hands on the bar. The guy I lift with does it when he spots me and, frankly, I bench worse without him spotting me. I know he isn't helping, it's a psychological thing.
I dunno, I just don't get why you guys are freaking out about it.
i've been told it's psychological too. but idk, it just feels too light. i think of it as analogous to the needle that broke the camel's back (dunno if i said this idiom correctly). i want to fight the threshold myself. i'd be interested in evidence or even some anecdotes, though. sounds like it could be a psychological thing, but i'd rather be sure
If you can't trust your spotter, having his hands on the bar is more distracting than it helps imo Plus they do help 99% of the time if they have their hands on the bar in my experience
On February 22 2012 13:14 infinity21 wrote: If you can't trust your spotter, having his hands on the bar is more distracting than it helps imo Plus they do help 99% of the time if they have their hands on the bar in my experience
Exactly. It's literally impossible for them to not exert any force on the bar if their hands are on it.
The reason it feels lighter and you bench "better" is because you're getting help, not something psychological.
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