On March 20 2013 20:22 mordek wrote: I need to get on this too. Been too long since I squatted and deadlifted. I think the finances will open up in the next month or two so hold me to it
I'm doing this. Talked to my doctor (at pick-up ultimate ^^) and he's writing a rec for PT and prescribing some anti-inflammatories to take for the next two weeks to eliminate any inflammation. I believe this was to try and stop the pain/inflammation cycle. He thought running should be fine but to not try any lifting involving hips for the time being.
Hoping this does the trick and the PT will be able to give me more insight. At the very least I'll address my hamstring imbalance I cannot wait to get back to squatting.
Man knee surgery must be such a mess just judging from the aftermath. I have this drainage attached to my bandages that just keeps collecting blood that comes from my knee.
Still feel a lot better today though. On a lot of painkillers still but at least I am hopeful I will finally get better. Last few months sucked majorly.
On March 29 2013 10:13 mordek wrote: Are there any questions I should have for my PT?
Everything you talked about me here about your signs and symptoms, and you can probably tell him what I suspect as well if you want.
But be clear to frame it in a way that we're just guessing at the problem since it's an "Internet diagnosis" so it might not actually be that.
HOpefully your PT is reasonable about such things like I am but you never know...
Reporting in. I'm good at framing things in a diplomatic manner Noticed a slight rotation on the right hip. It was lower on the back, which is a posterior tilt I believe. Nothing major he said, if it was my pain would have been 6-7 instead of 2-3. Moved my legs around various positions to check for pain, no increases while doing that. On my stomach pressed down on the right side and said it was tighter so it would need some mobilization. Did some resistance bringing the knee up while lying on back to activate hip flexor to help with tilt. Also did the lying knee squeeze and got a couple pops which we assumed was good. 8 minutes of ultrasound treatment (hadn't heard of this?) and prescribed icing 20 minutes after work each day, no heavy lifting, no squats/deadlifts(recommended against them at all)/overhead weights, no twisting exercises. 3 exercises to do twice a day and I'm making up names/descriptions: Lying bent knee pelvic tilt hold while bringing knee up, each side Lying straight leg hamstring stretch with door frame or partner Lying on stomach ankle squeeze with towel inbetween Thinks I should see improvement in the near future, follow up next week unless best case scenario I feel 100% better. Continue exercises for next 4-6 weeks and then if things are all better gradual introduction of weights etc. Continuing to take anti-inflammatory (meloxicam) and fish oil for inflammation. Probably going to be really strict on diet to really nail the inflammation maybe? Should do it regardless but fixing this gives me a lot of conviction So doesn't feel any better right now which he said was expected but I'm hopeful.
Edit: Also asked about weak left hamstring. Recommended eccentric focused hamstring curls (no surprise there). Felt that was separate issue from my hip... not sure how I feel about this but I'm not the PT The rotation had to happen for some reason.
On March 29 2013 10:13 mordek wrote: Are there any questions I should have for my PT?
Everything you talked about me here about your signs and symptoms, and you can probably tell him what I suspect as well if you want.
But be clear to frame it in a way that we're just guessing at the problem since it's an "Internet diagnosis" so it might not actually be that.
HOpefully your PT is reasonable about such things like I am but you never know...
Reporting in. I'm good at framing things in a diplomatic manner Noticed a slight rotation on the right hip. It was lower on the back, which is a posterior tilt I believe. Nothing major he said, if it was my pain would have been 6-7 instead of 2-3. Moved my legs around various positions to check for pain, no increases while doing that. On my stomach pressed down on the right side and said it was tighter so it would need some mobilization. Did some resistance bringing the knee up while lying on back to activate hip flexor to help with tilt. Also did the lying knee squeeze and got a couple pops which we assumed was good. 8 minutes of ultrasound treatment (hadn't heard of this?) and prescribed icing 20 minutes after work each day, no heavy lifting, no squats/deadlifts(recommended against them at all)/overhead weights, no twisting exercises. 3 exercises to do twice a day and I'm making up names/descriptions: Lying bent knee pelvic tilt hold while bringing knee up, each side Lying straight leg hamstring stretch with door frame or partner Lying on stomach ankle squeeze with towel inbetween Thinks I should see improvement in the near future, follow up next week unless best case scenario I feel 100% better. Continue exercises for next 4-6 weeks and then if things are all better gradual introduction of weights etc. Continuing to take anti-inflammatory (meloxicam) and fish oil for inflammation. Probably going to be really strict on diet to really nail the inflammation maybe? Should do it regardless but fixing this gives me a lot of conviction So doesn't feel any better right now which he said was expected but I'm hopeful.
Edit: Also asked about weak left hamstring. Recommended eccentric focused hamstring curls (no surprise there). Felt that was separate issue from my hip... not sure how I feel about this but I'm not the PT The rotation had to happen for some reason.
Sounds good.
> Also did the lying knee squeeze and got a couple pops which we assumed was good.
Yeah, shotgunning the pelvis usually helps
> 8 minutes of ultrasound treatment (hadn't heard of this?)
US usually used to decrease any inflammation in the area
> Probably going to be really strict on diet to really nail the inflammation maybe?
Yeah, that would help. Eliminate any and all refined carbohydrates
>Also asked about weak left hamstring.
Yeah, eccentric hammy curls teh way to go IMO... once you get better then one leg lunges or one leg RDLs
Can't thank you enough eshlow, it's reassuring to run things by someone Glad to have gotten an evaluation done and I'm going to be as compliant as possible so I ditch this for good.
Posted this in the lifting progress thread, but this seems like a more appropriate place.
For the last month I've been having pretty bad pain in the adductor region, especially as I am coming up during the squat,. It's a sharp pain that I can sometime feel going down on the inside of my leg aswell. Right side usually hurts a bit more then left (think my feet are uneven, need to visit a chiropractor), and sometimes discomfort persists for a few days after the workout (but it's very mild). I can squat through it but it's really distracting and perhaps uhealthy. I tried narrowing the stance and pointing tows out less, and that helped a little. Also tried stretching adductors pre workout but had little effect from it. Dropping weight => less pain but it was still there.
Should I take some time off from squats, or if it seems like adductors are the problem are there any stretching exercises i can/should do?
On April 06 2013 07:46 iokke wrote: Posted this in the lifting progress thread, but this seems like a more appropriate place.
For the last month I've been having pretty bad pain in the adductor region, especially as I am coming up during the squat,. It's a sharp pain that I can sometime feel going down on the inside of my leg aswell. Right side usually hurts a bit more then left (think my feet are uneven, need to visit a chiropractor), and sometimes discomfort persists for a few days after the workout (but it's very mild). I can squat through it but it's really distracting and perhaps uhealthy. I tried narrowing the stance and pointing tows out less, and that helped a little. Also tried stretching adductors pre workout but had little effect from it. Dropping weight => less pain but it was still there.
Should I take some time off from squats, or if it seems like adductors are the problem are there any stretching exercises i can/should do?
Fill out the form in the OP and perhaps get a vid up if you can
So, turns out I got Cubital Tunnel Syndrome on my left arm (numbness on the pinky and ring finger) , I was doing a combination of bench press,push ups, bicep curl with a barbell and overhead presses and Im guessing now Im fucked til I fix this up, which apparently seems to take a long time.
Im currently doing ulnar nerve glides and taking some ketoprofen while resting for a week but Id like to know of any upper body exercise I can continue doing. Or if I can continue doing anything of the above with less weight and what not. Anyone here got this before?
If anything ill figure Ill just continue going to the gym and do some cardio / leg excersises while
1. Where it hurts - pain is mainly on the right side now, left side hurts a little bit in the same region but nowhere as bad. More on it in what type of pain question.
2. What exercises hurt? Squat as I am coming up, even during warmups though pain grows with weight. DL I feel a little pain but it's negligible. I think if I DL: first I might not even feel pain.
3. What type of pain is it? - Sharp pain/ache around the region where i drew the red line. Yellow dot marks what feels like another source of similar pain but sharper and more concentrated, like being poked with a needle. On second thought, my drawing is a bit off / wierd angles, yellow "red line pain" passed through yellow dot as well. And both are on the inside of the leg. Yellow dot is pretty much where leg joins the body
4. What would you rate the pain at 7
5. Acute or chronic. Started about 4 weeks ago, been persistent since. Don't remember a specific injury leading to it.
6. Have you been training through pain? Yes for about 4 weeks. It doesn't seem to be getting better or worse
7. How deep is the pain? Kinda hard to tell, somewhat deep, maybe 1 inch in?
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Run 5 mins before squating, side lounges. helped a little
9. What seems to help? Stretching and warming up helped a little. As did taking narrower stance and pointing toes out less, but I don't like how the rest of the squat feels that way.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. no swelling, everything feels normal
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? It changes, usually there's at least a little leftover pain that lasts from a few hours to a few days. It feels like a very mild sharp pain (like 1-2 rating) as I walk/move my legs, but that pain. It's been 2 days since last workout and I still feel it but only when squatting down and flexing. Also only feel it at that "needle point" source of pain i described
12. Any previous injury history? Nope
13. How's your posture? I slouch (think it's the right word, also a few months ago chiropractor told my pelvis is turned and as a result 1 leg is 1 inch higher than another. I went through treatment but there's a good chance the condition returned. Im guessing there's a good chance this is at least part of the cause:D
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? No sports in a while, I'm doing Starting Strength Squats BP Press DL (no clean yet)
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Can't think of anything right now but if I visit a chiropractor I'll update
edit:got my video up.. I think, having major net problems:
Happy i recorded myself cause I did not realize I didnt go deep enough. When I asked my workout partner he said I was, but from video it's clear i need to go down deeper.. and I actually dropped 10lbs for this vid already. I would say a good mark would be go down where the white line on pants is parallel to the floor right? Imma go down another 20-30 lbs and try to make sure im deeper next time. Otherwise I dont notice too many thing I do wrong. I look at my legs to a lot to readjust them cause of pain if your wondering, otherwise my glaze would be fixed down and in front
On April 07 2013 07:21 skindzer wrote: So, turns out I got Cubital Tunnel Syndrome on my left arm (numbness on the pinky and ring finger) , I was doing a combination of bench press,push ups, bicep curl with a barbell and overhead presses and Im guessing now Im fucked til I fix this up, which apparently seems to take a long time.
Im currently doing ulnar nerve glides and taking some ketoprofen while resting for a week but Id like to know of any upper body exercise I can continue doing. Or if I can continue doing anything of the above with less weight and what not. Anyone here got this before?
If anything ill figure Ill just continue going to the gym and do some cardio / leg excersises while
Any other exercises that don't exacerbate it are PROBABLY fine, but consult your doc/PT/etc first.
1. Where it hurts - pain is mainly on the right side now, left side hurts a little bit in the same region but nowhere as bad. More on it in what type of pain question.
2. What exercises hurt? Squat as I am coming up, even during warmups though pain grows with weight. DL I feel a little pain but it's negligible. I think if I DL: first I might not even feel pain.
3. What type of pain is it? - Sharp pain/ache around the region where i drew the red line. Yellow dot marks what feels like another source of similar pain but sharper and more concentrated, like being poked with a needle. On second thought, my drawing is a bit off / wierd angles, yellow "red line pain" passed through yellow dot as well. And both are on the inside of the leg. Yellow dot is pretty much where leg joins the body
4. What would you rate the pain at 7
5. Acute or chronic. Started about 4 weeks ago, been persistent since. Don't remember a specific injury leading to it.
6. Have you been training through pain? Yes for about 4 weeks. It doesn't seem to be getting better or worse
7. How deep is the pain? Kinda hard to tell, somewhat deep, maybe 1 inch in?
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Run 5 mins before squating, side lounges. helped a little
9. What seems to help? Stretching and warming up helped a little. As did taking narrower stance and pointing toes out less, but I don't like how the rest of the squat feels that way.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. no swelling, everything feels normal
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? It changes, usually there's at least a little leftover pain that lasts from a few hours to a few days. It feels like a very mild sharp pain (like 1-2 rating) as I walk/move my legs, but that pain. It's been 2 days since last workout and I still feel it but only when squatting down and flexing. Also only feel it at that "needle point" source of pain i described
12. Any previous injury history? Nope
13. How's your posture? I slouch (think it's the right word, also a few months ago chiropractor told my pelvis is turned and as a result 1 leg is 1 inch higher than another. I went through treatment but there's a good chance the condition returned. Im guessing there's a good chance this is at least part of the cause:D
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? No sports in a while, I'm doing Starting Strength Squats BP Press DL (no clean yet)
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Can't think of anything right now but if I visit a chiropractor I'll update
edit:got my video up.. I think, having major net problems: http://youtu.be/m6XHg139F7Y Happy i recorded myself cause I did not realize I didnt go deep enough. When I asked my workout partner he said I was, but from video it's clear i need to go down deeper.. and I actually dropped 10lbs for this vid already. I would say a good mark would be go down where the white line on pants is parallel to the floor right? Imma go down another 20-30 lbs and try to make sure im deeper next time. Otherwise I dont notice too many thing I do wrong. I look at my legs to a lot to readjust them cause of pain if your wondering, otherwise my glaze would be fixed down and in front
Do you have a heel lift for your 1 longer leg?
Have you been checked for SI joint issues that can be related causing the longer leg or have you always had it?
There's a lot of nerves that run through that area and with a leg length difference that can be causing muscles or something else to impinge on the nerve. I'd be wary and have that looked at....
Its a true leg length then you'll want a heel lift. But honestly there's very few true leg length discrepancies. Most are because of SI joint or rotated ilium or other hip dysfunction.
And yes you need to go deeper in the squat. The pants line is very good for this. I didn't really see any major flaws there
Thanks, No I haven't had any of those things looked at, but according to the chiropractor, the difference wasn't actually because my legs were different lengths, it was because my pelvis (iirc) was turned/tilted in such a way that produced difference in leg length. He corrected it to where my legs were even (after 10 appointments or so), but few weeks later I came for a checkup and they were off again. I'll try to go again this week and get an adjustment done right before the workout, and see if that helps. Will update here
However, what makes me think this might have something to do with my flexibility is that initially both sides hurt, right side always more, but left one used to hurt quite a bit too. Barely does now though
On April 09 2013 11:51 iokke wrote: Thanks, No I haven't had any of those things looked at, but according to the chiropractor, the difference wasn't actually because my legs were different lengths, it was because my pelvis (iirc) was turned/tilted in such a way that produced difference in leg length. He corrected it to where my legs were even (after 10 appointments or so), but few weeks later I came for a checkup and they were off again. I'll try to go again this week and get an adjustment done right before the workout, and see if that helps. Will update here
However, what makes me think this might have something to do with my flexibility is that initially both sides hurt, right side always more, but left one used to hurt quite a bit too. Barely does now though
Does he have you do any exercises for it?
If there's no exercises you need to go to a better chiro or a physical therapist.
Exercises are what will help the corrections stay in place.
Basically, someone who gives no exercises is milking you for money because you will just have to keep coming back to have it "adjusted"
He did give me a list of exercises to do but i stopped too soon, I'll resume doing them and see him a few more times. Apparently I was supposed to do them for months. Only odd thing is that exercises are exactly the same for me and my wife
i've never seen this thread before but it's really interesting to me as a podiatry student, since my studies deal with the lower extremity.
if anyone has foot/ankle injury stories i'd love to hear them.
when i learn more in my sports med and functional orthopedics courses (next year) i'll try and post more in here. at the moment i know all the anatomy along with some of the more basic injuries of the spine, hip, knee, ankle, and foot... but i am by no means an expert yet.
On April 10 2013 07:21 iokke wrote: He did give me a list of exercises to do but i stopped too soon, I'll resume doing them and see him a few more times. Apparently I was supposed to do them for months. Only odd thing is that exercises are exactly the same for me and my wife
Er, that's highly suspicious....
I would consider seeing a different professional..
EPT
, I was doing a combination of bench press,push ups, bicep curl with a barbell and overhead presses and Im guessing now Im fucked til I fix this up, which apparently seems to take a long time. ![[image loading]](http://s23.postimg.org/pxs4pxe9z/adductors1.jpg)
