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On July 12 2012 19:57 Daigomi wrote:
Quick question that I'm hoping someone can answer. Yesterday about 10 minutes after gym, I did something funny with my neck and suddenly got a sharp pain if I tried bending or turning my neck to the left. It wasn't too bad, just a bit sore. A few hours later, however, and I couldn't move my neck at all anymore. Added to that, any pressure I put on my left arm would cause my neck to go into spasm which hurt like fucking hell. I took two muscle relaxants and two pain pills but I'm not sure how much they helped. When I woke up this morning it felt much better, almost exactly the same way as it did right after gym, but now, a few hours later, I'm back to not being able to move my neck.
Do you guys have any idea what I did and any suggestion on how to fix it?
Typically a slipped or stuck facet.
You'll want to use massage, heat, and any type of relaxation stuff to help try to get it to unstick.
It's like waking up with a crink in the neck; usually goes away within a few hours.. sometimes a few days. If it sticks around longer than a day or two it might be a good idea to get a physical therapist to check it out.
Usually happens because of your form during the lift, or doing something awkward where you're straining.. so might want to check your form or whatever you were doing.
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On July 13 2012 01:04 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:57 Daigomi wrote:
Quick question that I'm hoping someone can answer. Yesterday about 10 minutes after gym, I did something funny with my neck and suddenly got a sharp pain if I tried bending or turning my neck to the left. It wasn't too bad, just a bit sore. A few hours later, however, and I couldn't move my neck at all anymore. Added to that, any pressure I put on my left arm would cause my neck to go into spasm which hurt like fucking hell. I took two muscle relaxants and two pain pills but I'm not sure how much they helped. When I woke up this morning it felt much better, almost exactly the same way as it did right after gym, but now, a few hours later, I'm back to not being able to move my neck.
Do you guys have any idea what I did and any suggestion on how to fix it? Typically a slipped or stuck facet. You'll want to use massage, heat, and any type of relaxation stuff to help try to get it to unstick. It's like waking up with a crink in the neck; usually goes away within a few hours.. sometimes a few days. If it sticks around longer than a day or two it might be a good idea to get a physical therapist to check it out. Usually happens because of your form during the lift, or doing something awkward where you're straining.. so might want to check your form or whatever you were doing.
Thanks eshlow. That makes sense to me as I did a single chin-up just before we finished the session. I wasn't really concentrating or anything, I kinda just janked myself up for the fun :p Not much fun now. Muscle relaxants seem to work today and lying down and not moving is also working. Guess I'll add a warm water bottle to it as well 
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On July 11 2012 06:44 emjaytron wrote:
Intermittent ice will help up to 48-72 hours depending on severity. Avoid heat and alcohol. Make sure you maintain some gentle active range of movement straight away after the early bleeding/inflammatory phase. Otherwise sounds like you're doing a good job.
Is there a timeframe I can expect the healing to occur or when I should be worried? Doesn't hurt like it did last Tuesday but it's been a week and still a little visible bruising, full extension and flexion hurt, and turning doorknobs or holding a jug sideways is painful. Range of motion is all there and its really just my middle finger (which now that I try holding up just that one I can't get full extension like with all my fingers). If that all sounds normal for what I did that's what I want to know
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On July 13 2012 01:09 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 01:04 eshlow wrote:On July 12 2012 19:57 Daigomi wrote:
Quick question that I'm hoping someone can answer. Yesterday about 10 minutes after gym, I did something funny with my neck and suddenly got a sharp pain if I tried bending or turning my neck to the left. It wasn't too bad, just a bit sore. A few hours later, however, and I couldn't move my neck at all anymore. Added to that, any pressure I put on my left arm would cause my neck to go into spasm which hurt like fucking hell. I took two muscle relaxants and two pain pills but I'm not sure how much they helped. When I woke up this morning it felt much better, almost exactly the same way as it did right after gym, but now, a few hours later, I'm back to not being able to move my neck.
Do you guys have any idea what I did and any suggestion on how to fix it? Typically a slipped or stuck facet. You'll want to use massage, heat, and any type of relaxation stuff to help try to get it to unstick. It's like waking up with a crink in the neck; usually goes away within a few hours.. sometimes a few days. If it sticks around longer than a day or two it might be a good idea to get a physical therapist to check it out. Usually happens because of your form during the lift, or doing something awkward where you're straining.. so might want to check your form or whatever you were doing. Thanks eshlow. That makes sense to me as I did a single chin-up just before we finished the session. I wasn't really concentrating or anything, I kinda just janked myself up for the fun :p Not much fun now. Muscle relaxants seem to work today and lying down and not moving is also working. Guess I'll add a warm water bottle to it as well
I've been having a similar pain in my neck.
About 3 weeks ago, as I was sleeping I tried to sit up in bed to turn over and felt a sharp pain. I fell back asleep but when I woke up I was in considerable pain. I couldn't put on a shirt for the first few hours, for example. Over the course of 3 days I got better and better until I was basically fine.
Last Thursday I had a similar experience. I was lying in bed (awake, delaying getting up) and when I tried to sit up it was like my head was glued to my pillow and I got a similar strain. Not nearly as bad at all. I could barely feel it in a few hours, although the following day I took it easier at the gym. By Saturday it felt completely fine.
Yesterday morning, doing pull ups... trying to eke out that last rep, another strain. Felt fine 1-2 hours later, but last night after sleeping woke up with my neck feeling really stiff. Been awake for about an hour now and I can already feel it loosening up nicely...
Anyway, getting worried obviously. The strains are getting less and less painful, but I mean, I've had 3 different strains... should it be a no brainer to go to a doctor? The only reason I hesitate is because I don't speak the language (that well) in this country and going to the doctor can be quite tedious trying to get a proper diagnosis, from past experiences.
I basically have full flexibility in my neck, looking to the left feels tight, and looking right feels sore. It feels better to lie on my sides at first, but I have to change positions. When I lie down it seems painful and difficult to move my head around naturally.
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On July 16 2012 23:10 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 06:44 emjaytron wrote:
Intermittent ice will help up to 48-72 hours depending on severity. Avoid heat and alcohol. Make sure you maintain some gentle active range of movement straight away after the early bleeding/inflammatory phase. Otherwise sounds like you're doing a good job. Is there a timeframe I can expect the healing to occur or when I should be worried? Doesn't hurt like it did last Tuesday but it's been a week and still a little visible bruising, full extension and flexion hurt, and turning doorknobs or holding a jug sideways is painful. Range of motion is all there and its really just my middle finger (which now that I try holding up just that one I can't get full extension like with all my fingers). If that all sounds normal for what I did that's what I want to know
Inflammation will peak after a few days, then start to taper down as the tissue damage is repaired by new collagen protein. This phase can take a few weeks, prob less in your case. Once the tissue is put down it's remodelled (ie the direction of fibres orients towards the load the ligament is put under). remodelling continues for up to 6 months (totally ballpark figure, it could be anything, much less for a minor sprain), but usually its functional most of that time. A week is not unusual for there to still be some swelling/bruising, there's probably some inflammatory markers still floating round too. Don't be afraid to use it but don't load it unnecessarily either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon#Healing
edit - that article is very specific with the time periods for different phases of healing, keep in mind its not nearly so clear cut, no biological system is. Oh and it says tendons, bear in mind they are not the same thing as ligaments, I'm just using it as an example of the healing process
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On July 17 2012 18:09 emjaytron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 23:10 mordek wrote:On July 11 2012 06:44 emjaytron wrote:
Intermittent ice will help up to 48-72 hours depending on severity. Avoid heat and alcohol. Make sure you maintain some gentle active range of movement straight away after the early bleeding/inflammatory phase. Otherwise sounds like you're doing a good job. Is there a timeframe I can expect the healing to occur or when I should be worried? Doesn't hurt like it did last Tuesday but it's been a week and still a little visible bruising, full extension and flexion hurt, and turning doorknobs or holding a jug sideways is painful. Range of motion is all there and its really just my middle finger (which now that I try holding up just that one I can't get full extension like with all my fingers). If that all sounds normal for what I did that's what I want to know Inflammation will peak after a few days, then start to taper down as the tissue damage is repaired by new collagen protein. This phase can take a few weeks, prob less in your case. Once the tissue is put down it's remodelled (ie the direction of fibres orients towards the load the ligament is put under). remodelling continues for up to 6 months (totally ballpark figure, it could be anything, much less for a minor sprain), but usually its functional most of that time. A week is not unusual for there to still be some swelling/bruising, there's probably some inflammatory markers still floating round too. Don't be afraid to use it but don't load it unnecessarily either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon#Healingedit - that article is very specific with the time periods for different phases of healing, keep in mind its not nearly so clear cut, no biological system is. Oh and it says tendons, bear in mind they are not the same thing as ligaments, I'm just using it as an example of the healing process
Thanks, I love getting information like that. It's actually less painful today after being about the same for a few days. I was a little paranoid about actually having damaged the joint (I'm around this stuff all day) but I don't think that's the case. I played again last night and didn't have any issues,dove once but I was very aware of my left arms position and it wasn't at the end of a sprint. After you have played post-serious injury like with my knee I think you just force yourself to be more proprioceptive?
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On July 17 2012 09:24 SoleSteeler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 01:09 Daigomi wrote:On July 13 2012 01:04 eshlow wrote:On July 12 2012 19:57 Daigomi wrote:
Quick question that I'm hoping someone can answer. Yesterday about 10 minutes after gym, I did something funny with my neck and suddenly got a sharp pain if I tried bending or turning my neck to the left. It wasn't too bad, just a bit sore. A few hours later, however, and I couldn't move my neck at all anymore. Added to that, any pressure I put on my left arm would cause my neck to go into spasm which hurt like fucking hell. I took two muscle relaxants and two pain pills but I'm not sure how much they helped. When I woke up this morning it felt much better, almost exactly the same way as it did right after gym, but now, a few hours later, I'm back to not being able to move my neck.
Do you guys have any idea what I did and any suggestion on how to fix it? Typically a slipped or stuck facet. You'll want to use massage, heat, and any type of relaxation stuff to help try to get it to unstick. It's like waking up with a crink in the neck; usually goes away within a few hours.. sometimes a few days. If it sticks around longer than a day or two it might be a good idea to get a physical therapist to check it out. Usually happens because of your form during the lift, or doing something awkward where you're straining.. so might want to check your form or whatever you were doing. Thanks eshlow. That makes sense to me as I did a single chin-up just before we finished the session. I wasn't really concentrating or anything, I kinda just janked myself up for the fun :p Not much fun now. Muscle relaxants seem to work today and lying down and not moving is also working. Guess I'll add a warm water bottle to it as well I've been having a similar pain in my neck. About 3 weeks ago, as I was sleeping I tried to sit up in bed to turn over and felt a sharp pain. I fell back asleep but when I woke up I was in considerable pain. I couldn't put on a shirt for the first few hours, for example. Over the course of 3 days I got better and better until I was basically fine. Last Thursday I had a similar experience. I was lying in bed (awake, delaying getting up) and when I tried to sit up it was like my head was glued to my pillow and I got a similar strain. Not nearly as bad at all. I could barely feel it in a few hours, although the following day I took it easier at the gym. By Saturday it felt completely fine. Yesterday morning, doing pull ups... trying to eke out that last rep, another strain. Felt fine 1-2 hours later, but last night after sleeping woke up with my neck feeling really stiff. Been awake for about an hour now and I can already feel it loosening up nicely... Anyway, getting worried obviously. The strains are getting less and less painful, but I mean, I've had 3 different strains... should it be a no brainer to go to a doctor? The only reason I hesitate is because I don't speak the language (that well) in this country and going to the doctor can be quite tedious trying to get a proper diagnosis, from past experiences. I basically have full flexibility in my neck, looking to the left feels tight, and looking right feels sore. It feels better to lie on my sides at first, but I have to change positions. When I lie down it seems painful and difficult to move my head around naturally. + Show Spoiler +
Same thing as Daigomi... Work on your neck mobility and massage it some. Use heat. etc
Doesn't really sound like a strain at all... just what I described earlier. Once you have it happen, it's easier to get one that is stuck... so hopefully we can get you out of that cycle
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On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat  How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy?
Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it.
I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords.
I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/srOSz.png)
(The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total)
These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg.
The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems.
So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point.
edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time.
edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KGxF6.png)
Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain.
edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe.
Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything.
Would icing / foam rolling do anything here?
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On July 17 2012 23:51 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 09:24 SoleSteeler wrote:On July 13 2012 01:09 Daigomi wrote:On July 13 2012 01:04 eshlow wrote:On July 12 2012 19:57 Daigomi wrote:
Quick question that I'm hoping someone can answer. Yesterday about 10 minutes after gym, I did something funny with my neck and suddenly got a sharp pain if I tried bending or turning my neck to the left. It wasn't too bad, just a bit sore. A few hours later, however, and I couldn't move my neck at all anymore. Added to that, any pressure I put on my left arm would cause my neck to go into spasm which hurt like fucking hell. I took two muscle relaxants and two pain pills but I'm not sure how much they helped. When I woke up this morning it felt much better, almost exactly the same way as it did right after gym, but now, a few hours later, I'm back to not being able to move my neck.
Do you guys have any idea what I did and any suggestion on how to fix it? Typically a slipped or stuck facet. You'll want to use massage, heat, and any type of relaxation stuff to help try to get it to unstick. It's like waking up with a crink in the neck; usually goes away within a few hours.. sometimes a few days. If it sticks around longer than a day or two it might be a good idea to get a physical therapist to check it out. Usually happens because of your form during the lift, or doing something awkward where you're straining.. so might want to check your form or whatever you were doing. Thanks eshlow. That makes sense to me as I did a single chin-up just before we finished the session. I wasn't really concentrating or anything, I kinda just janked myself up for the fun :p Not much fun now. Muscle relaxants seem to work today and lying down and not moving is also working. Guess I'll add a warm water bottle to it as well I've been having a similar pain in my neck. About 3 weeks ago, as I was sleeping I tried to sit up in bed to turn over and felt a sharp pain. I fell back asleep but when I woke up I was in considerable pain. I couldn't put on a shirt for the first few hours, for example. Over the course of 3 days I got better and better until I was basically fine. Last Thursday I had a similar experience. I was lying in bed (awake, delaying getting up) and when I tried to sit up it was like my head was glued to my pillow and I got a similar strain. Not nearly as bad at all. I could barely feel it in a few hours, although the following day I took it easier at the gym. By Saturday it felt completely fine. Yesterday morning, doing pull ups... trying to eke out that last rep, another strain. Felt fine 1-2 hours later, but last night after sleeping woke up with my neck feeling really stiff. Been awake for about an hour now and I can already feel it loosening up nicely... Anyway, getting worried obviously. The strains are getting less and less painful, but I mean, I've had 3 different strains... should it be a no brainer to go to a doctor? The only reason I hesitate is because I don't speak the language (that well) in this country and going to the doctor can be quite tedious trying to get a proper diagnosis, from past experiences. I basically have full flexibility in my neck, looking to the left feels tight, and looking right feels sore. It feels better to lie on my sides at first, but I have to change positions. When I lie down it seems painful and difficult to move my head around naturally. + Show Spoiler + Same thing as Daigomi... Work on your neck mobility and massage it some. Use heat. etc Doesn't really sound like a strain at all... just what I described earlier. Once you have it happen, it's easier to get one that is stuck... so hopefully we can get you out of that cycle
Thanks.
I went to a highly rated/recommended oriental doctor today and I got a massage (hands and machine), heating pads and acupuncture done. Feel pretty loose already, thankfully. I'll go for 3-4 more sessions (it only costs $6 with insurance).
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Having pain on the back/outer portion of me knee, feels like it's stemming from my calf. If i'm not warmed up and go into a full squat i get a sharp pain. Once i'm warmed up i can pretty much go 100%. Started a few weeks ago, then it wasn't really noticeable but now it's worse. I can usually feel a minor ache even just sitting down doing nothing. Could this just be caused by tight calf? tight quads? I usually never have problems on the right side of my body T_T
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So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed?
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On July 21 2012 11:42 infinity21 wrote:
So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed?
Maybe see if you can't find a specialist? I know when I was looking for a physio for my back I found two people who had worked with the South African Olympics team in the past. I'm sure that kind of physio would know how to treat all serious weightlifting injuries. They both had waiting lists, but if the injury is serious enough it might be worth considering it.
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On July 21 2012 19:31 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 11:42 infinity21 wrote:
So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed? Maybe see if you can't find a specialist? I know when I was looking for a physio for my back I found two people who had worked with the South African Olympics team in the past. I'm sure that kind of physio would know how to treat all serious weightlifting injuries. They both had waiting lists, but if the injury is serious enough it might be worth considering it.
Yeah the PT I went to when I thought I had a herniated disc had specialized in back injuries with ~30 years in the business, had worked for an olympic team and was currently working for one of our top icehockey teams. She gave me some exercises to do at home and showed how to perform them, took like 45 min. I had constant pain in my back for like a month prior to this meeting, and I kid you not, the pain was completely gone when I went through the exit door.
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On July 21 2012 20:08 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 19:31 Daigomi wrote:On July 21 2012 11:42 infinity21 wrote:
So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed? Maybe see if you can't find a specialist? I know when I was looking for a physio for my back I found two people who had worked with the South African Olympics team in the past. I'm sure that kind of physio would know how to treat all serious weightlifting injuries. They both had waiting lists, but if the injury is serious enough it might be worth considering it. Yeah the PT I went to when I thought I had a herniated disc had specialized in back injuries with ~30 years in the business, had worked for an olympic team and was currently working for one of our top icehockey teams. She gave me some exercises to do at home and showed how to perform them, took like 45 min. I had constant pain in my back for like a month prior to this meeting, and I kid you not, the pain was completely gone when I went through the exit door.
How would you guys go about finding a specialist?
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On July 21 2012 23:55 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 20:08 Sneakyz wrote:On July 21 2012 19:31 Daigomi wrote:On July 21 2012 11:42 infinity21 wrote:
So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed? Maybe see if you can't find a specialist? I know when I was looking for a physio for my back I found two people who had worked with the South African Olympics team in the past. I'm sure that kind of physio would know how to treat all serious weightlifting injuries. They both had waiting lists, but if the injury is serious enough it might be worth considering it. Yeah the PT I went to when I thought I had a herniated disc had specialized in back injuries with ~30 years in the business, had worked for an olympic team and was currently working for one of our top icehockey teams. She gave me some exercises to do at home and showed how to perform them, took like 45 min. I had constant pain in my back for like a month prior to this meeting, and I kid you not, the pain was completely gone when I went through the exit door. How would you guys go about finding a specialist?
Embarassing as it is to admit, my mother found the specialist for me :p She was more worried about my back than I was so she did the research. I think a google search like "sport physio, Canada" should work, but I'm not really sure what she did.
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On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here?
Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town.
Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up.
I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case.
Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially.
Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do.
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On July 21 2012 11:42 infinity21 wrote:
So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed?
Pure 100% rest is actually not good for recovering from an injury.
In general, you should always be doing some sort of either range of motion or mobility type exercises even in the acute phases as long as it doesn't make your condition worse (and in most cases, mobility type work will help make it better anyway)....
Tell me what mobility exercises in the spinal section here tend to help and what tend ot aggravate it, also can you re-direct me to the form you filled out from the OP the first time or fill out a new one if things have changed
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
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On July 21 2012 10:28 decafchicken wrote:
Having pain on the back/outer portion of me knee, feels like it's stemming from my calf. If i'm not warmed up and go into a full squat i get a sharp pain. Once i'm warmed up i can pretty much go 100%. Started a few weeks ago, then it wasn't really noticeable but now it's worse. I can usually feel a minor ache even just sitting down doing nothing. Could this just be caused by tight calf? tight quads? I usually never have problems on the right side of my body T_T
That's quite vague.
Lateral portion medial portion? Popliteus? Something else?
Does stretching help? Heat? Ice?
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On July 22 2012 12:44 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 11:42 infinity21 wrote:
So I think my lower back might be permanently fucked... no matter what I do or how long I rest I can't get my lower back to a 100% pain-free mobility. Went to see a physio but she just told me to do core work. Who do I need to see in order to get this fixed? Pure 100% rest is actually not good for recovering from an injury. In general, you should always be doing some sort of either range of motion or mobility type exercises even in the acute phases as long as it doesn't make your condition worse (and in most cases, mobility type work will help make it better anyway).... Tell me what mobility exercises in the spinal section here tend to help and what tend ot aggravate it, also can you re-direct me to the form you filled out from the OP the first time or fill out a new one if things have changed http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
This was my original post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=268891¤tpage=12#232
McKenzie exercises: feels pretty good. Generally lying down on the ground is relaxing
Cat-Camels: doesn't seen to do anything
Bird-Dogs: not sure if these help but my physio told me to do it and it doesn't hurt
Glute bridges: feels alright
side bridges: feels ok. Not that different from doing side planks I think
Reverse hyperextensions: no room/equipment to do these
A lot of these are the same but I'll answer any questions that have changed answers from my previous post.
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5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?
Chronic (6 months ago).
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?
I've been front squatting and hang cleaning for a couple of months. The pain only seems to occur if my form breaks down but feels good otherwise.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?
Core work. Planks, side planks, bird-dogs.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?
Not sure what's helping but my recovery this time around is remarkably faster. Obviously any excessive rounding of the lower back still hurts but I'd say I'm almost back to where I was pre-re-injury yesterday.
13. How's your posture?
Improved a lot compared to 6 months ago where I had trouble keeping my back consistently straight while sitting.
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?
Front squats and hang cleans. Back felt a bit tender after I played ping pong for the first time in a while but it doesn't hurt anymore to play games.
Thanks eshlow <3
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On July 22 2012 12:40 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:19 Malinor wrote:Copied from the General Thread, since it belongs in here: On July 18 2012 03:52 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote:My quadriceps sucks. I was in the middle of a training cycle to get me to a 200kg squat again, and after having all the volume in and moving to the intensity phase, I hurt myself doing jump robe. I am not really hurt badly, but from time to time while doing a wrong movement I can get a sharp pain through my quad, and it feels unstable in general. And basically when running above ~80% intensity, every step it hurts on the backside, outside of the right knee (so basically not the knee itself). Took 6 weeks off squatting and deadlifting, no difference. Went to the doctor and got electro and physiotherapy, plus stopped all running for 3 weeks, no difference, nor worse nor better. I would really like to kill some puppies now. I feel like a curl-bro when I go to the gym, keeping myself busy with so much upper body stuff. Anyway, today I just squatted again, 100kg 5x5. And of course, so since nothing that I do seems to make a difference, I just keep on squatting now. Just no weights where my technic could break down. And I'll just go to the doctor and try to get him to make a MRT. On the plusside, I broke 110kg bw for the first time (109,8), even though I had a gigantic day of feasting on saturday. 10,8kg to go. Unlikely that Phyre is gonna meet me there in time though, he does not know how to eat How is your hip mobility? A jacked up IT band can be compensating for other things. What are you doing currently in therapy? Both doctors I saw told me that the mobility in my right hip was worse than in my left one. They found it weird but didn't really drew any conclusions from it. I mostly got massages for the connective tissue in my quad. I also did some balancing-work: balance on one foot on a pillow and catch a ball, and some form of balancing (walking) on two bands, like funambulation just on two cords. I also experience some discomfort on my back, not only in my quad, the problem really is that it is a different spot everyday that hurts. Since you asked here, I will just use this thread instead of the injury thread: (The points on the outside are marked from both directions, so it is 4 spots in total) These are basically the points were I am hurting. The problematic one is the one right above the knee, this one causes instability during all movements, especially when running at intervalls at a higher speed (80-90%). Generally the pain is located on the outside of the hip/leg. The pain on my back is more a discomfort, it doesn't really cause any problems. So I don't really know what to make of it, help would be very welcome at this point. edit: the origin of the injury was sprinting. It got worse later after I twisted my leg during jump robe one time. edit2: So I just did some jump robe and just landed out of place once, and I directly a sharp pain as a result: Felt totally just like quadriceps, but I don't know how these things are related. In general, a lot of explosive movements like jumps (but not all, depends on how I jump) cause me sharp pain. edit3: just called my doctor today again for consoltation, and the nurse told me over the phone that the 'official' diagnosis was 'muscle fiber tear' / torn muscle. Though the doctor did not see anything when looking at the Ultrasound. So he did not think it was very severe. Either way, they did not tell me to stop training really, just to avoid high intensity stuff like sprinting or running. So during the last three weeks I only did cross-trainer (squatted once with 80kg, so very very light). Do you think I should stop everything all together, or is movements where I don't feel any pain fine? For example, normal jump robe is always risky, but when I just run/sprint with the robe, I don't feel anything. Would icing / foam rolling do anything here? Sorry I didn't get back to you before I went out of town. Check your internal and external range of motion in your hip. Most people have significantly more ER which can typically cause some issues as certain muscles get tight and the hip gets a bit gummed up. I'm a bit confused by the fact that you're having an issue in so many places. It might not be a bad idea to get a chiro or physio to check out your SI joint and/or pelvis just in case. Access to a good sports orthopedic doc or physical therapist would be your best bet IMO... but if you can see if improving your hip ROM on the right starts helping that may be possibly something we can figure out potentially. Very poor doc to just recommend not doing exercises. Good professionals should be able ot work with you to get you back to what you want to do.
Ok, after analysing the problem all day, I believe that this is simply a muscle strain, and more precisely a quad strain. The problem in the back is probably unrelated (maybe could be the limited hip rotation) and I assume that the pain on the outside is simply a result of the unstable quadriceps. The real pain is always on the front of the thigh.
On this site http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/sport-injuries/thigh-pain/quadriceps-strain they categorize strains in three categories, I would put mine in between 1-2:
Symptoms of a Thigh Strain
Quadriceps strains are graded 1,2 or 3 depending on severity.
Grade 1
A twinge in the thigh is usually felt.
A general feeling of tightness in the thigh.
Mild discomfort on walking.
Probably no swelling.
Trying to straighten the knee against resistance may be uncomfortable. Note: but not always and very positional based
An area of local spasm may be felt at the site of the suspected tear. Note: This might be the feeling of instability and light pain on the outside of the knee/thigh? I am not 100% sure with what is meant by "local spasm"
Grade 2
A sudden sharp pain when running, jumping or kicking. Note: a) Running when putting much pressure on the floor, like in a three-jump; b) jumping when doing Cleans, Box Jumps, and even Push Press (explosive force against the floor), and sometimes Jump Robe; c) Kicking against resistance, movement like when shooting a football
Unable to play on.
Pain affects walking.
The athlete may notice swelling or even mild bruising.
Pain on feeling the area of the tear.
Straightening the knee against resistance causes pain.
Unable to fully bend the knee
So while uncomfortable all the time, it probably is nothing severe. However, I don't really know what to do, since every advice is for what to do directly after the injury and after a couple of days. My injury is however basically over half a year old, and a real problem since two months, after I twisted my leg while robe skipping, which made erything worse.
So basically:is stretching ok? Or is it good, even if it triggers some pain?
is foam rolling ok?
does icing help at all?
does wearing a compression bandage help?
should I take some time off completely (I haven't done anything quadriceps-related for five days, but I cannot feel any 'change'. However, I did some hamstring work (Romanian Deadlifts, Good Mornings, Hyperextension).
I take a 45-60min walk everyday instead of running and cross trainer. Is this ok or even too cautious? May cycling/ cross trainer be ok, even working against slight pain/ discomfort?
What should I tell my physical therapist? I have six additional sessions booked now.
And of course anything else that might help.I basically have not taken time off training for longer than a couple of days since november. So probably it could never heal probably. So basically, how should I behave now?
Your help is much appreciated!
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